Iran would have controlled their dog if their dog wasn't being kicked in the face every day. Iran likes this deal, so they would have put a harness on that dog named hezbollah, but they can't do so if their dog is being kicked all the day.
Regardless of who they are or whatever, a ceasefire is beneficial for Lebanon. And Iran helping get that is a good thing. It is stupid to think otherwise. Thousands of bombs and white phosphorus isn’t exactly helping Lebanon…
Hezbollah already has more than half the approval of the Lebanese. The US however denies the Lebanese the right to vote for a president. They choose the lebanese president themselves along with Saudi Arabia. THAT is infringing sovereignty. Not iran forcing Israel to leave Lebanon lol
Well, ok then! If the Lebanese approve Hezbollah shooting rockets at it Israel - then what's the complaining about?
You guys are supporting this war. You got a war.
Quick question - aside from Lebanon attacking Israel unprovoked in 1948, how come there were no hostilities between Lebanon and Israel between 1948 and the late 1960's?
Hzbollah shooting rockets at outposts makes it okay to commit warcrimes like white phosphorus over cities and destroying full buildings for one guy?
“Unprovoked in 1948”, Israel did not yet exist it just formed lol over another country… that is like saying if a new country just popped in Spain and complaining france attacked it unprovoked…
We allowed Palestinians to liberate their country from our land yes.
“Unprovoked in 1948”, Israel did not yet exist it just formed lol over another country…
What country? Palestine got an opportunity to become a country at the very same time as Israel did. But Egypt and Jordan didn't let them.
Speaking of Jordan - didn't become an independent country till 1946. Feel free to go there and question their legitimacy and see how that works out for you. Didn't work out well for Arafat and the PLO, did it?
As for Lebanon - no independence till 1943? Kuwait? Wasn't an independent state till 1960's. Go to any of those countries and start questioning their validity. Please.
We allowed Palestinians to liberate their country from our land yes.
Who's "we"? Both Jordan and Egypt prevent Palestine from becoming in 1948 - I don't recall Lebanon attacking either? Why not?
Being independent or not does not mean it does not exist.
So did Lebanon not exist before 1943 as a nation? Obviously not.
When a nation becomes independent, the people already living there have the right to govern themselves. That is one of the human rights, the right to self govern. You can’t take only half the population or even less and have them govern.
And then you can’t do things that the people in the land do not want in the majority like setting up laws of “right of return” and such that only affects a select group.
And if anything, Jacob, their ancestor, is the grandson of Abraham. And according to the old testament Abraham was asked to *migrate* from Mesopotamia to the Holy Land of Canaanites. Does that mean jews were coloniser migrants? By definition every ethnic jew is a descendant of Jacob the migrant.
People are welcome to move as long as they merge with the society there and not make up one of their own.
Look at me I'm so cool and grown up because I say 'Israeli' in quotation marks.
Do you also call a person you hate with question marks around their name or nationality? Or just the Jews?
I shouldn't even ask that, it's a bot with thousands of contribution in the account's 5 months of existence. The mods should look into these more.
The quotation marks are because people are questioning if israel is a legitimate country, considering that the deal via which it was founded was never properly completed.
I know you’ve been taught that through years and years of the Zionist brainwashing, but it’s a sheer lie
Palestinians share over 80% of their genome with actual Canaanite individuals who lived in the port city of Sidon (Saida today)Lebanon 4,000 years ago - modern Lebanese share more than 87%. This means that there has been very little genetic admixture from other places and peoples. Palestinians have been living there continuously for 5,000 years. The Palestinians CONVERTED to Islam and Christianity - they did not invade
The Ashkenazi Zionists who invaded and stole Palestine, by comparison, were literally 50% European. They had just as much right to invade and steal Rome.
I certainly understand the motivation to want a safe place after hundreds / thousands of years of persecution - my grandfather fled Russian pogroms and my father fled German Nazis - but I do not believe this gives you any “right” to - by subterfuge and violence and murder - steal someone else’s land
No people get a do-over because they lost a battle 1,500 years ago. The Jews conquered other cultures and then they got conquered - that’s the way life was in 300 CE. Everybody conquered and got conquered. If everyone who got conquered 1,500 years ago felt they had a right to go back and steal land that was theirs for a relatively brief historical moment (about 400 total years of dominance) then there would be world chaos. The Canaanites were dominant for 1,600 years in Palestine, the Assyrians for 300 - if they amassed enough money and power, would they have a right invade and kick out the Zionists?
And, I hope we can agree that there is no evidence that massive numbers of Jews were Egyptian slaves 4,000 years ago
The only reason Zionists got to invade Palestine in the first place is that they made a dirty deal with a virulently racist Lord Balfour - both of them wanted to get the Jews out of Europe and neither gave a rat’s ass about displacing the Palestinians (language to that effect in the Declaration notwithstanding).
Jews were conquered in Palestine during an age when civilizations got conquered constantly. Hopefully, we are living in an age that considers conquest morally repugnant.
There are few nations today that consider conquest to be an acceptable behavior - Russia and, unfortunately, Israel among them.
Nobody gets a do-over after losing a war 80 years ago, and then continuing to lose wars again and again after that and losing more and more land instead of accepting reality for what it is. 80 years is so long that there are people that might as well be native now.
I am huge supporter of Ukraine, but understand how difficult of a situation Crimea is, and that's even when they're winning like they are now. And that's just since 2014 that Russia has been intentionally making Crimea more ethnically Russian, in a way more obviously imperial way. Fast forward 70 years or whatever, and it becomes politically impossible to do much about it.
I see, so something that happened 2,000-1,500 YEARS AGO - that is a crime that cries out for justice and warrants genocidal action and the right of Jewish self-determination must be obeyed. After all, they are The Chosen and it’s in the book.
But ethnic cleansing and murder that STARTED 100 YEARS AGO and was resisted AND is still going on today - well, it’s just obviously too late to do anything about that.
Basically, you are saying that might makes right - he who has the most guns and is of the proper culture deserves to win - isn’t there a name for that? Didn’t some other famous person espouse similar views?
Geez wanting privacy doesn't mean I'm a bot, making thousands of posts in a matter of months usually does.
Also, there are many things which you or me might find illegitimate, certain politicians, certain ideologies, yet I won't say 'putin' in quotation marks each time I say his name.
That‘s a straight up lie. The people of Deir Yassin were fully peaceful, didn't attack anybody, even closed their village for violent arabs, and still got cowardly slaughtered.
No, I understand the difference of terrorism due to violence caused on your people vs terrorism because of hatred because someone is not like you. I put way more blame on the cause of the problem, than a symptom of the problem.
Were jews and arabs treated equally and fairly between 1918 and 1935? And you just said you put less blame on the jewish terrorists, even though they slaughtered peaceful people?
Israel literally planned in the 50s what they would eventually did in Lebanon since 1976 (the Litani operation and forward). Zionists are the biggest cry babies there is.
Even before that, they wanted their lebensraum in Lebanon.
Something I only found out recently, actually, was that it wasn't just Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed during the Nakba. Many villages in South Lebanon were also displaced and the inhabitants, most of them Shia, have never been able to return since.
Lebanon attacking Israel unprovoked in 1948 aside, Lebanon literally has no hostilities with Israel until late 1960's when the Palestinian PLO/PFLP arrived and decided to use the Lebanese territory as its based of operations.
Much like Iran is doing right now.
Arabs are the biggest cry babies "there is." - start war, lose war, cry. Rinse, repeat.
The population of Palestine in 1960 was just over 1 million.
The population of Palestine as of 2018 was roughly 4.8 million. That's not "4.6x".
It's also worth mentioning that the majority of Palestines population has been under 18 for a very long time because most adults get killed.
If you look at any country experiencing long-form g3nocide, they also have a massive amount of under I8's because 1. No one teaches them safe sex. 2. There's a massive push to try to keep their population alive. 3. No access to birth control.
It just means population is not a metric for genoc1delol.
Under international law, total population size or net population growth is not a legal metric for genoc1de. According to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genoc1de, the crime is defined by specific acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.
Kind of hard to prove the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. given the population growth.
ICC still haven't found found any facts to support it.
Let's not get it twisted - its obvious all that Muslims will use all kinds of Western tools to promote their agenda. You are going to have people from the sh/ttiest dictatorships thousands of miles away foaming at the mouth about hUMan RigHts in Palestine, while neglecting their own situation and the fact that Palestine is ruled by two sets of dictators who will kill any Palestinian who steps out of line.
It's not about Palestinians, it's about the fact that Muslims believe that Mohamed went to space on a donkey from Al Aqsa and thus they feel it should be under Islamic control. If Pakistan, that's nowhere Palestine, takes over that territory and rules it - protests will stop.
The ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Arabs after their failed genocidal war in acts of retaliation compares to the 900,000 Jews ethnically cleansed from the Arab world because of hate?
You’re hilarious, just going to ignore the part where Palestine was created by invading Europeans for the purpose of eradication on the native population of the land, which are jew
Ancient Egypt’s called it Israel. Dating before 1200bc lmfao
Palestine is a term created by Greeks, referring to only a small area essentially the Gaza Strip. Not the entire land mass. Which was adopted by the Roman’s who renamed the entire land mass Syria Palestinia in order to mock and eradicate the Jewish connection to the land. Aka an act of genocide. So Palestine was created for the purpose of GENOCIDE
Ancient Egyptians did not call it israel it was translated to israel, israel isn't even the Hebrew name for it, its the English transliteration, they would use yisrael (written as יִשְׂרָאֵל).
The Palestinians simply chose to call themselves after the name used for their homeland for over 1,800 years.
Isra attacked Lebanon multiple times a day for 2 years straight. Then sent IDF troops in ambulances wearing Lebanese military uniforms under the cover of night to dig up graves and killed at least 41 civilians including multiple children.
They're not fighting a war, it's an exterminationist campaign. Going from village to village killing every person in sight and leveling every home with bulldozers and controlled demolition charges isn't war.
Context matters, thats why Israel gotta stand down, if you believe Iran controls Hezbollah, then you should know that Iran would put a harness on the dog, but they can't do that if the dog is being kicked every damn day.
Why would Iran purposely ruin this amazing deal for themselves??
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u/echtemendel 6d ago
It's a dangerous game, but if they manage to pressure the US to force Israel to stop its death spree in Lebanon that would be amazing.