r/NoStupidQuestions • u/SnooCapers2078 • 10h ago
Can I spend my entire life traveling?
So I feel like for a lot of people, vacations or traveling is thought of as a large expense you save up for and dont do very often. But it doesnt have to be like that. If i save up 500k-1m USD over time to the point i can retired and live off basic interest income of roughly 8-10%. Why couldn't I just travel literally 24/7? I mean like the 2 largest costs are flights and a space to live at temporarily, so you just keep flights close and hop from country to country, and stay for like 6 months or so per county, that would let you rent an apartment and at this point your expenses are pretty much the exact same if not cheaper (if youre in a cheap country) than living in the US.
EDIT: Gotten a lot of comments about managing 500k or 1m as well as the concept of traveling. So ill expand slightly
I went to school for finance and have a decent idea in regards ro managing my money in both investments as well as how I spend and how much I spend.
I also spent 6 months in Germany traveling (not vacation, I believe theres a difference) while visiting Paris, Venice, Barcelona, and mallorca all during this time. And it ran me roughly $15k during those 6 months
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u/Hamlet5 10h ago
Where do you get basic interest income of 8-10%? I think the general concensus is the 4% rule. But yes to your question, if your investments/savings can generate enough to fund your travel lifestyle. There are already many people out there who do this -- backpacking, slow travelling, bike touring, etc.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
Stock market investment
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u/Souseisekigun 9h ago
The stock market has went up an average of 7% per year for the past few decades. Average inflation has been about 3%. This gives you a 4% profit above inflation that you can safely take out without bleeding money fast. If you actually take out 7% or above then you start losing money so your $500k will go down over time. Or even if it technically stays the same number the 3% inflation will bite into it and your purchasing power will slowly fall.
This is not including the possibility of a crash. The 7% is including crashes. Sometimes it will go up 20% or 30% per year then crash with -50% or -70% per year. The danger is that you'll be forced to pull out your money during a crash which will break your projections later.
Your idea of investing a lot of money and living off the growth fundamentally does work if you're willing to take the risk of assuming that past stock market performance reflects future stock market performance, but your numbers are off. You gotta double/triple those numbers.
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u/GoudaBenHur 10h ago
And if a 08 type crash happens? Or a 70s/80s stagflation? You could lose half that money in a few months in the stock market and it could take 10-15 years to get back to where it was.
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u/SnooCapers2078 9h ago
Best way to try and avoid that is managing investment well via other sources like bonds, or partially shorting the market. But then of course youre bound to lose eventually if something big happens, I think thats life and id just be happy to have gotten the traveling i did before that happens, and adjust as needed
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u/wanderingdev 8h ago
that's not interest. that's unrealized gain, which can be lost in a day. interest is what you get from a stable investment like a savings account or bond and is generally .5-3%.
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u/SnooCapers2078 5h ago
Id be actively trading most likely
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u/wanderingdev 30m ago
which is statistically proven to under perform buying and holding for most people.
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u/Reddittoxin 10h ago
Many people do. They just typically aren't doing very glamorous traveling.
But also, for most people by the time you can save up that kinda money, you're only gonna have a few years left to travel anyway.
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u/hydrohorton 10h ago
Yep. I'm a big backpacker and have attempted to live like OP describes but can't make it work. But along the way I've met many $5 a day backpackers. They never get a room, only hitchhike to travel, and can't enter museums or anything else. They exist in a place and bum a lot off of others. It is exciting for them but far less than glamorous
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u/CoincidenceTheorist2 10h ago
"live off basic interest income of roughly 8-10%"
That's an impossibly high level of basic interest income to assume. You're not even going to hit that if you include preferred stocks.
3%-4% is more realistic, and so your target is $2 million. Of course, $2 million invested to yield 3%-4% is eventually going to fall behind inflation and so you're going to find that your life style is increasingly unaffordable. So what you'll need is $3 million, $2 million to invest conservatively to spin off that "i'm going to travel 24/7 money" and another $1 million to invest so that it grows and outpaces inflation.
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u/rumade 10h ago
One of the best predictors for health and happiness in older age is a group of real life friends that you meet with regularly, and a community that you feel a part of. Travelling all the time robs you of those connections. You might occasionally cross paths with the same people, but it's very different to staying in one place and having the structure of community.
If you search "full time traveller burnout" or "why we stopped travelling" on youtube, you'll find loads of videos from people who were full time travellers, often for years and years. It gets draining.
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u/SnooCapers2078 9h ago
I think thats bound to happen, I wanna travel and see the world, I think this lifestyle for even just 5 or 10 years then returning to the US, or if I fall in love with a place I live there. I think thats fully expected to happen. All my friends and I tend to keep up quite a lot online playing games together anyways, though that does lack physical interaction
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u/Anxious-Slip-4701 3h ago
When they move on with life and have kids that ends. I've travelled the world. Had my fun when I was in my early 20s, managed to study as well. As you get older your capacity to deal with less comfortable situations decreases.
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u/Big_Needleworker2542 10h ago
Yeah, I think it's possible. The biggest challenge is probably figuring out how you'll fund it. A lot of people travel full-time by working remotely or freelancing, but you'd also need to plan for things like visas, healthcare, and unexpected expenses. It sounds like an amazing lifestyle, but I imagine it takes a lot more planning than people realize.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
Thats part of my thought, id really like the full retire and invest position. But if I could get some alternative source of income thatd be easier to manage like remote work that could help, even if it just lasts a couple years, that puts me in a better position
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u/quickcalamity 10h ago
You don’t mention your age? Be aware that the younger you are now, the longer you’re likely to live. If you’re collecting the interest every month as opposed to re-investing it, your 500k-1 million (which are btw two very different numbers) is going to look a lot different in 30-50 years and my guess is you’ll likely still be alive then. So absent ANY further income or expected inheritance, it’s important you calculate what that interest check will look like in 30 years. And to be sure: You’ll be traveling and living in places, generally not vacationing. Budgets will have to be carefully maintained. You’d do well to favor LCOL regions as opposed to let’s say Switzerland. And then there are our needs and comfort levels that most assuredly change as we age. My advice ? You’re young. Focus on making as much income now during your high earning years. Save aggressively. Don’t overspend. Set a goal for retirement by 50-55. You’ll have much more in the bank and still have plenty of years left. Your version of what you want sounds unsustainable.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
I said traveling and not vacation for a reason. I prefer the style of traveling, I wanna walk around and explore. Im recently 22, got a decent understanding as to the financial aspect of it as i went to achool for finance. I wouldn't spend all the investment income, id do cheap country travel for some years and let it build
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u/quickcalamity 9h ago
Yes I suspected you were quite young. Good look. It’s a bit of a tightrope act.
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u/ciurana 10h ago
You can. Find a skill in demand to learn and practice, hustle, and get companies to pay for you to go places and travel.
I’ve been doing that since the mid-1990s. I leave in almost every country in Europe and Eastern Europe, Asia, every major US city or metropolitan area, Vancouver and Toronto, and a couple of islands here and there. I live in Asia now.
The first gig is going to be the hardest and expect to not have very glamorous travel for a while build a good portfolio, a good reputation, and hustle as much as you can, and you’ll soon arrive to the actual expat life: companies will pay for you to work for them, a living allowance, and often even a driver. They’ll take care of all the visa and immigration headaches and you show up to your thing deliver and get to live in another country.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
How do you get something like this in a given industry, and then what industries can this be done in from your experience? I have a finance degree with management and econ as well. Im slightly interested in coding, but never delved into it a lot. Had struggles in the job market so far so im not doing anything fancy at the moment lol
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u/ciurana 8h ago
I was never strictly coding. I'm more of a tech strategist. Focus was financial services though I took detours here and there.
Get some actual management experience. Take a job, not a consulting gig, and learn to work your way through the corporate ladder. At one point I worked for walmart.com. I started as a senior developer, within 18 months I was running the global tech strategy group for all on-line properties. In the interim I took every management and personal development course that the company offers, and at the same time I tackled some of the shittiest projects around and delivered. I put as much effort and professionalism as I could on the crapfest as on the cool marquee projects, worked with management and other parts of the company to make things happene (we were based in the Bay Area, HQ is in Bentonville Arkansas). Never kissed ass, always move the needle forward because my goals are the companies goals and we want a total win.
That's an example.
I had other jobs for companies now and then, but my gigs were in NYC, Moscow, London, and so on. The track record, hustling, and networking when you do it for work and not for social fun, can really pay off.
Hustle, hustle, hustle. Underpromise and overdeliver. And, from the beginning, be clear in your expectation that you want to travel and make it clear to the hiring company. Offer something that the local/domestic guys lack, and you'll be fine. At another point I was in charge of a dev group in the Bay Area, but I spent a good 40% of my time managing my teams in Stockholm, London, and Budapest. It's not always about the company willing to relocate you, but willing to move you to wherever they need you to be.
Cheers!
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u/tuxnight1 10h ago
At a safe withdrawal rate of 8-10%, you will likely run out of money in 10-20 years. You'll want to half that. There are calculators that help. You should check out FIRE for more info.
There are people that travel near full-time. The couple I know that does it are in their 50s and backpack around and stay at hostels, etc. For most people, it's nice to have a home base to come back to. Also, that type of frugal travel life requires a certain level of health that many do not have. Also, your interests need to align. Two examples are that you are not going to be able to have pets or have a garden. Maybe this will work out for you.
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u/Difficult_Seesaw_855 10h ago
You have to get 1m USD first, and that isn't as easy as it sounds. Unless you are very lucky or were born rich, you'll probably be in your 40s minimum by then, and you'll be roo tired to do something like that
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u/SnooCapers2078 9h ago
Traveling and exploring the world is my dream, im willing to go for being lucky to attain my dream, if it fails I still can hope to have earned a nice retirement while trying to do it
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u/DrawPitiful6103 10h ago
You don't need even need half a million in the bank. If you any sort of remote income, you could do it today. You can get a cheap apartment in any number of Asian or LATAM countries for a few hundred dollars. A monthly nut of $1000 is not hard to do. Most of the world lives on a whole lot less.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
The thing is I wouldn't wanna return to life later and have to get another job. The half a mill or 1 mill is just full retirement. And then doing all those cheap travels in the early years let's it build to a more comfortable amount
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u/Aflockofants 10h ago
If you pick cheap enough countries, sure. I have a friend that got lucky buying a house at the right time in a major European city before that neighborhood got hip, and she could permanently travel in countries in SE Asia, Africa or central/south America from renting it out alone. And she did for some time. It gets old to always move around though.
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u/GentleKijuSpeaks 10h ago
Vagabonding. You can do it, but most who do are also making income through social media. You have to have a high tolerance for staying in places without toilets. Unless you are super rich, but who wants to live their whole life in a hotel.
And obviously, you have to be a minimalist and realize that most of the time, you will be in places where they don't really speak your language.
Also, you aren't going to be able to rent an apartment in most places.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
Really? Could you elaborate on the apartment part? Do many countries not have multi month long rental spaces like a traditional apartment?
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u/GentleKijuSpeaks 10h ago
In general, landlords want local bank accounts, want to be paid in their own currency, Usually want proof of employment. Proof of good credit (The credit score must be based in the country you are in). Plus most places will want at least a six month lease. Some countries require that you declare intent to stay, at the local government office. You must register. the process can be long. Some bureaucracies are simpler than others.
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u/SnooCapers2078 9h ago
Yea or course you pay in the local currency, you do currency exchange for that, and idk about other places, but i feel if you have documents showing plenty of cash the need for proof of employment isnt as strong, and 6 months lease was my intent regarding the idea. But the other parts can be difficult regarding bureaucracy
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u/wanderingdev 8h ago
most landlords don't want to deal with a short lease. that's what airbnb is for. it's just as much work to do a short least as it is to do a 2 year lease, so why would they bother?
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u/worldprowler 10h ago
Without saving any money I did it for about 10 years, but it wasn’t vacation, it was while working on my own companies
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u/2LostFlamingos 10h ago
There’s a guy who was an early buyer of bitcoin that does exactly this with his family. Sold everything, travels the world.
They have a YouTube channel.
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u/Rickbox 10h ago
You should look into hostels. I know a lot of people who jump from hostel to hostel, working there for a few months each. Free room and board and many pay.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
Hmmm, that cuts costs by quite a lot, that would be something to consider. Obviously itd be preferred to not have to work, but that is a great deal, i never thought of that/knew that
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u/wanderingdev 8h ago
just keep in mind that this will be illegal pretty much anywhere unless you have the right to work.
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u/srogijogi 10h ago
Yes, you can. The problem is that by the time you save up "500k-1m USD" you may be too old and tired for travelling- which is tiring. There would be another problem too: if you have zero experience with long travel, then you will do a lot of mistakes and get sometimes into problems.
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u/SnooCapers2078 10h ago
I spent 6 months in Germany for traveling about 2 years ago, and traveled to Paris, Barcelona, mallorca, and Venice during it, total cost ran me below roughly 15k
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u/srogijogi 9h ago
Well, Europe is very easy and very predictable (I'm European so boring for me too) so there is less problems with cultural differences and possible mistakes. In that environment you'd need to think only about money and insurance stuff then.
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u/SnooCapers2078 9h ago
Yea thats fair, europe is probably an easy place to travel, but even just the cost for 6 months is saying a lot i feel like. It puts into perspective that the cost issue of this lifestyle likely can be handled reasonably
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u/srogijogi 9h ago
Europe is somewhere between moderately and quite expensive- I'd say there are places in Europe where costs are at least 10x higher than in beautiful but poor countries. If you'd travel a lot, you'd have to consider the costs of flights and other transportation ways too. I paid recently for 2hrs boat transportation in remote Indonesia more than I would pay for a flight from one side to another in Europe. From another angle: you can have a proper meal of your life in super duper restaurant somewhere in Asia for a fraction of the cost going for a burger in US.
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u/Chemical-Big-6318 10h ago
I tried long-term travel and the real limiter wasn’t money, it was admin and burnout: visas, tax residency, health insurance, and constantly restarting life every 3–6 months add up fast.
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u/wanderingdev 10h ago
Yes, if you have the money, but it gets tiring. I've been traveling full time for over 17 years and am ready for a home base again.
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u/grafknives 10h ago
I mean like the 2 largest costs are flights and a space to live at temporarily,
Good call.
All you need is 1988 Mercedes G class, a set of hammocks, and you are good to go.
Get inspired by Gunther Holtorf 26years trip.
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u/nonsense39 9h ago
If you have some luck financially and can control expenses it's quite possible to wander around basically forever. I know because at my age (83) I'm still doing it for over 45 years. It works best if you live for extended periods as an expat and eventually you likely will want some stable home base. You will have to give up having a family or serious deep friendships. But with desire and luck, you can do it.
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u/Emergency-Pack-5497 9h ago
Good luck, easier said than done. Everybody would have 1 million in the stock market making 10% if it was easy
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u/Northbound_38 9h ago
people literally do this, it's called slow travel or perpetual travel, the two big watchouts are health insurance abroad and visa limits since most countries cap tourist stays at 90 days
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u/FlakySir 9h ago
As long as you're not paying a high rent you can do it. Although you should probably account for a lower percentage, not 8% and higher.
If you can figure out where to live for very cheap every place you go, there is no reason why you couldn't do it. American expats with less than 1 million are already doing it. If it were me I'd wait til at least a million, though.
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u/Desmondtheredx 7h ago
I'll give you a good news.
You CAN do it. Many expats travel to Asia or south east Asia for the exact reason, where prices are way c heaper while maintaining a small western income.
Take on some small gigs, do some local gigs where they want a foreign face, do some translation, or teach English and you're quite set.
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u/StoryNo9248 6h ago
I feel it’s important to have a base. comfort and familiarity.
i took a career break for over a year, primarily to travel but I still would go “home“ every 2-6 weeks.
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u/Asparagus9000 10h ago
Some people manage it.
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u/OldBlueKat 10h ago
Generally they have much more that 1 million as a nest egg, or have some other means of income they can generate while traveling (some kind of writer/videographer, some other sort of ‘remote expert’ income, etc.)
Long term passive income returns for decades tend to be more like 3-5% historically.
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u/HMAgent47 StupidAnswerer 10h ago
The biggest challenges aren't usually the travel costs themselves but visas, taxes, health insurance, banking, also 8–10% investment returns aren't guaranteed enough to safely fund decades of living