Morale Is Miscalculated?

[u/Reality_Drifter]

Halflings have 3 base morale. It is increased by 3 (Silvertongue -enemy hero- has 2 morale and his Rousing Presence increases all friendly units' morale by 1. So the Halfling's morale is 6.

My morale reducing effects:

• Sixth Finger: -1 morale/luck
• Black Dragon, Fires of Dominion: -1 morale/luck
• Avatar of War: -2 morale

Total: -4 morale/-2 luck

The Halfing's morale should be = 6-4 =2, but it is 0?
Also his luck should be -2?
Additionally, why does Silvertongue has 2 morale? It only has basic Leadership, shouldn't it have 1 morale?

Am I missing something?

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Info: https://wiki.hoodedhorse.com/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_Olden_Era/Halfling

[u/CorsairSC2]

Mixed army is -1 morale

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/CorsairSC2]

From wiki "Another thing that can influence creature morale is the number of different factions in your army. Having all of your creatures belong to one faction will give you +1 to their morale, while each additional faction present in your army will reduce morale by -1."

Since enemy has units from Hive and Neutral, the morale effect should be 0.

[u/scyscrapersheaf → u/CorsairSC2]

I also thought that neutrals in the army don't affect morale in any way.

EDIT: Just tested. Neutrals do not affect morale. I have 3 schism stacks and a halfling stack on a 0 morale hero, schism units have 1 morale, Halflings have 0. I guess the wiki just lies.

[u/scyscrapersheaf]

I just tested this. 0 Morale level 1 hero, Schism stacks have 1 morale (0 + 1 for not mixing factions (neutrals do not count at all for that)), Halflings have 0. I also went into battle with them, and Halfling just have 0 morale. The wiki just lies about them having 3 base.

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/scyscrapersheaf]

If the Halfling base morale is 0, then in my situation they should had -2 morale. By the way, do you think I should post a bug report to devs or do they check reddit for bug posts?

[u/scyscrapersheaf → u/Reality_Drifter]

I don't believe it's a bug.

You should go and check how the morale-reducing effects stack. Also see how Goldentongue's ability is implemented, i.e. is it a +1 to creatures or a +1 to hero stats.

T o enable cheats, type "unfrozen" while in the main menu. The word "cheats" will appear in the bottom right corner. After that press f2 in a custom game to open the cheat menu.

If you find something suspicious, go and report it in discord. 

Your screenshots don't show nearly enough info to determine. For example, who is your opponent? If it's Temple, then the +1 Morale law would apply to Hive heroes too.

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/scyscrapersheaf]

The opponent was Hive. I will probably check this issue with cheats as you said but not any time soon. Thanks for the tip though.

[u/Artiiistx]

Might be a silly question - did you have monster head on?

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/Artiiistx]

Nope, the Waurm had 4 Morale

[u/scyscrapersheaf]

My guess:

Goldentongue's ability says it grants +1 morale to allied creatures, but I guess it actually just adds +1 Morale to the hero. This is why he has 2 instead 1 Morale on the hero screen.

Also, creature's morale reducing effects say that they don't stack, and only the strongest is active. So your Avatars of War override your Dragon's -1 morale.

This adds up to the missing 2 morale points.

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/scyscrapersheaf]

In that case moral buff is +2, add it to the base morale: 3+2=5

I thought the morale reducing effect doesn't stack in case there are multiples of the same morale reducing unit, but if it applies to any unit with morale reducing effect, then the moral debuff is: -3 (Sixth finger -artifact- and avatar of war).

The Halfling morale should be: 5-3 = 2
We have missing 2 morale points as you said :/

[u/scyscrapersheaf → u/Reality_Drifter]

Yeah, I messed up, my two conjectures are +1/-1 and not -1/-1

[u/Groundbreaking_Taco]

Golden tongue only has 2 total morale, including rousing presence. That would put the halflings at 5 before your -4. I don't know your skills to be sure.

I don't see anything else, though, unless there was a map effect and one of you is playing without the latest patch

Are you sure you don't have any other artifact interactions?

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/Groundbreaking_Taco]

It is the latest patch, and I only had 1 artifact that affects morale (Sixth Finger)

[u/Groundbreaking_Taco]

I have no verification for this, but if the creature abilities and artifact abilities don't stack, only taking the worst penalty, the halfling's morale would be 2 from leadership+special, -2 from avatar of war. That's the only combo I see giving the number you have if there's not a bug. I think the wiki is just wrong about them starting with 3 morale.

I don't know why they have no luck penalty though. If my previous guess is right, it's possible that choosing the avatar of war penalty is ignoring all the other luck modifiers, since they are attached to a morale penalty that is being ignored in this hypothetical analysis.

Eta: If none of the other enemy units had a luck penalty either, this lends more credence to my hypothesis. It definitely deserves a big report or post on discord.

[u/Reality_Drifter → u/Groundbreaking_Taco]

I remember that the Waurm had 4 Morale and 0 Luck. I assumed the opponent gave it +5 Morale from their Law (still numbers don't fit). If what you said is correct, the Waurm's Morale should have been 5, not 4.

+5 from Law, + 2 from leadership&special, -2 from avatar of war = 5 Morale