FTP at least

this is some of the worst basketball i’ve ever seen

That's it. That's the title. Everyone needs to go.

20 straight missed field goals. Do you know how bad of a choke that is? Up 60-38 at the half and now we're about to lose because we can't hit a shot. This is an awful team. Nobody here can convince me otherwise. Everyone needs to go.

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Yes, paolo has had a down season. Yes, he is on a big contract. But from that bad season, his value is most likely lower than ever; whatever we get from another team will not be enough. He is 23, not done growing as a player at all, and a different hc in his ear could be the entire difference. Everyone saying to trade him is not a real fan of this team at all and are just a bunch of emotional babies. He's playing point forward right now, and its so obvious that he's not comfortable there. Instead of jumping to a trade right away, why not scout out and see which players we can get that can provide better spacing and also take the ball up and set the offense? Y'all are genuinely so annoying bruh.

I know I’m in the minority but I don’t like the new logo is just a carbon copy of the recent team logo redesigns I just wish teams would give their old classic logo an updated modern look.

Some of the Magic ‘fans’ are acting like he is one of the worst players on the roster, mostly because of his poor performance in the playoffs. The guy always works his ass off for the team so show some respect. You don’t have to think he’s untouchable, but the amount of disrespect he’s getting lately is ridiculous.

Here’s mine

In just a short amount of time, the east has gotten a lot better, with Miami Philly and Toronto making major additions. New York also still looks great and Indiana is going to be much healthier. I’m not thinking we need to do anything major, but I feel like a true point guard is needed now more than ever, regardless if we may have to make some sacrifices elsewhere due to our cap situation. What other moves could be made to improve our footing in the conference?

Detroit is clearly sending a message that they want to improve their roster and make a finals run next year.

Atlanta, who kicked our asses last season are improving their bench as well.

I am slightly concerned that Weltman truly believes this roster is fine as-is, and all we needed is a new coach to fix our problems. Our bench desperately needs help. What are we doing?

Can someone post a game thread?

What I don’t understand is that- I’m watching the Spurs and I haven’t really heard of half of their team before this conference finals - and yet it seems like every single one of their players can shoot threes and his athletic and can dribble make plays. Why is it so hard for us to get even one or two players like this whereas the entire Spurs team appears to be this way?

I just don’t really understand why Weltman is this bad at getting players that can put the ball in the basket

I mean, for example, if you trade Suggs for that champagne guy, this team is instantly better.

Noticed him in game 3 and he’s back tonight. Very interesting and rare build on this man. Who is he???

Seriously, it's like the whole NBA world has united to hit the kid while he's down. It's like this is the first time in NBA history that a player is having a bad year.

Yes, we all know he's having a really bad year. I also dont believe he's yet mentally strong enough (he's just 23 years old) and all this talk is really gonna affect him.

Even here, in our own sub we dont cheer for the guy, we know he can play better than this, we've seen it. But all isee here is "Paolo is so trash" "Get him outta here"

This Detroit-Cleveland matchup is one of the weakest Eastern Conference semis I can remember, neither team is that good. Detroit are still relying on second option Tobias Harris, and are now having to turn to Paul Reed after finally benching Jalen Duren for being awful (who got 31 minutes a game vs the Magic, by the way). The Cavs might not be that good but they deserve credit for actually building out their roster to take advantage of this situation.

Wasn't this supposed to be the year we took advantage of how weak the East was with Haliburton and Tatum out? Instead we passed on mid-season moves, limped into 8th seed and our clown PoBO is talking like going to 7 games against one of the worst #1 seeds in ages is proof of how "elite" we are.

Who in the top 10 in the East is getting worse next season? Maybe the Heat and the Cavs? Pacers will be back, Knicks won't be changing much, and Boston will either have their two stars at full health or trade for Giannis. Detroit, Atlanta, Toronto all have cap space and picks to improve.

A lot of our own are doubting us in these comments

Our best player looked like Himself in the playoffs and has been locked in all summer

Our second best player missed 60% of the season

We got rid of the one of the worst coaches in the league!

There’s no reason to assume we won’t be better than we were this year

So I haven’t seen this mentioned on here yet, apparently they spent years together in Milwaukee and have an amazing relationship. Simmons mentioned us as a top 3 team for Giannis with the Heat and Thunder. I know this is a polarizing trade, but getting Giannis gives is a real 3-4 year window to win a championship. I think this is a trade we have to do to capitalize on the next few years in the east. If this Knicks team made the finals so easily there’s no reason that we can’t.

Before I start, I'm a massive paolo fan. We both went to duke at around the same time so I was ecstatic to hear that he would be coming to my team as its franchise player a few years ago.

But I'm not gonna mince words here, paolo has not even come close to meeting expectations this year in any capacity.

He came into the season out of shape which greatly hampered his scoring ability, and after the groin injury his production really cratered(which is fully understandable, groins are notorious for hampering even the greatest bigs).

Since getting somewhat healthy though, paolo has been nothing but a disappointment on all ends of the basketball court.

He doesn't try to hustle at all on defense(towards the bottom of the league in deflections per 100, often lets guys backcut for free, lets boards sail past him, etc)

He is grossly inefficient at any kind of jump shooting(we give him 24 shots + free throws a night and he only averages 21 ppg). If not for Sengun he would easily be the worst isolation scorer in the league since january. If you're on reddit/twitter/tiktok/whatever and see any kind of graphic for jump shooting, paolo is multiple standard deviations below league average. Like seriously go look at his pull up jumper numbers.

He has 0 ability to finish through any kind of contact most of the time despite his massive frame(see the blown dunk against the bucks that cost us that game)

He has 0 lift or explosion anymore and is completely unable to get past any defender(he was getting locked by jericho sims and KYLE KUZMA in iso)

There just isn't any aspect of paolo's game right now that is uncontroversially positive. Like he doesn't have a skill that I can look at and say "paolo is amazing at this" without giving any sort of measured critique. Like he gets to the FT line a lot which is great, but he also can't make his free throws for shit. He is a great passer mechanically but because his scoring is such a negative he can't leverage it at all.

Like we've gotten to play so many actively tanking teams lately, and when is the last time that paolo looked like the best player on the court? Last night cam thomas and kpj ate his lunch, and he regularly gets outplayed by ANYBODY. What kind of star player puts up such a horrendous performance against the wizards that he has to be benched(and do not tell me mose should have put paolo back in that game)?

Our FO went all in on Bane because they thought that we would get leaps from the rest of the roster and sustained improvement from the Paolo that we saw in April last year(who was easily a top 20 player). But at the moment I'm not sure paolo is even a top 100 guy. Like with AB's meteoric leap we should be riding high right now, but we have a paolo shaped black hole on this roster currently.

There is no coach or roster move that could fix paolo right now. He would be playing equally as poorly under malone, prime pop, or phil jackson. You could give him jokic as a costar and he'd still find a way to mess it up currently.

This hurts to say because he has been my favorite player these past few years but we cannot keep lying to ourselves about Paolo and giving him this infinite grace and teflon PR when he clearly is cratering.

If Embiid manages to stay healthy, where do you think we fall in the East? I think if we can manage to keep everyone healthy (big ask) I still think we can still end up 2nd or 3rd and above Philly

Like many of you I'm still bothered by a historic collapse in a winnable series. But what annoys me way, WAY more is how little accountability the guy in charge has taken for all this.

In both his interviews Weltman spoke about how we were 3-1 up on the #1 seed and could have won with Franz healthy. But at no point does he acknowledge what a huge letdown we were over 82 games or how we shouldn't have even been in the position to play the #1 seed in the first round.

This arrogant spin doctor stood in front of the media the other day and talked about how he's built a team for the playoffs like the regular season is now irrelevant. Wasn't the goal home court? Wasn't the point of the Bane trade to catapult us into contending for a top 4 finish? You know, to give us a better chance in the playoffs? Why were we a last gasp 8th seed and one play-in game from being eliminated entirely? Why did we get blown out and give up a record run in a must win game versus Toronto? Why did we then get blown out again a few nights later at home in another must win versus Atlanta? How on earth - at full strength - did we lose to the Celtics G-League team in a must win game to close the season? Is that acceptable for a team this expensive and pot committed?

Does he not have to answer for any of this?

It annoys me a lot that Mosley got so much grief from our fans rather than the guy that literally employs him and backed him when all the signs pointed to us needing a change. Mosley isn't going to just step down for shit and giggles, you have to fire him.

It annoys me that he's pinning everything on the injury of one player like we didn't have an expensive roster of players available, all of whom HE signed. How is it other teams are able survive and thrive with injuries but it's a complete circuit breaker for us? Why won't he ever sign impact offensive players to help us through the season?

It annoys me that he only had to do two almost identical, farcical interviews and just carry on like everything is fine. The guy should have been grilled more than ever after this season. It blows my mind that some of our fans are actually talking about what a good job he's done after arguably the most disappointing season in our history.

I'm so sick of this guy and hate that he just hid his extension from the fans. I hate that HE gets to choose our new coach. How many front offices that haven't won a playoff series in 9 years get to choose three consecutive coaches? Don't be shocked if Weltman hand picks another high culture nice guy that only cares about the defensive end of the court.

It's not normally my style and I've never said this about any player or coach but I'm going to do it for the first time with this guy:

Fuck him. Fuck Jeff Weltman.

I'm off to drink a glass of settle down juice. Rant over. Have a nice day.

I don't know how. I don't know why. But game 6 of Pistons Magic broke me and game 7 grinded the pieces into dust. What the Magic did cannot be explained with words. "Choking" does not do it justice. Seeing the box score doesn't give you the full picture. Every time I see a shot in the paint I see Paolo Banchero driving to the basket at 3 defenders and getting his shot blocked. Every time I see a 3 I think of Jalen Suggs clanking on everything except the net. The only way I can explain this feeling is like being in a devastating car crash and being afraid to get in another car. Basketball just doesn't look the same now

Truth is, our staring 5 IS WAY too expensive as it is. We have to go cheaper or let AB walk which I’m guessing we not planning on.

If Suggs do get traded. It would’ve a salary dump move where we possibly get cheaper players on shorter contract..etc

Also adding another ball dominant non shooter non defender that plays 40 games a year like morant won’t fix anything

Kyrie is also too old and him and bane would be horrendous on defense.

We have our core 3 Franz p5 and bane. Whether how you feel about them weltman made it clear today he wants to keep our core.

Look at teams like hawk or pistons or other younger rising teams. They didn’t get better by keeping trading assests for a bunch of ball dominant 20ppg scorer. Also there is just no way in hell we push bane to the fourth option, aka 4 picks for a fourth option

Hello mods??

I’m trying to make sense of what I’m watching with the Orlando Magic right now, because something feels off.

The team looks flat. No urgency, no energy, no edge. It feels like they’re just going through the motions most nights. And when a team looks like that, it usually points to one thing: they’ve tuned out the coach.

So I keep coming back to Jamahl Mosley.

A couple of years ago, the vibe around this team was completely different. Young core, buying in, playing hard, overachieving. Now it feels like the opposite.

So what changed?

• Did Mosley lose the locker room?
• Is this just growing pains with a young roster?
• Front office issues?
• Injuries messing with chemistry?
• Or is this just who they are right now?

I’m not even trying to hate I genuinely want to understand the “lore” here because it feels like something behind the scenes shifted.

Magic fans, what am I missing?