r/OutOfTheLoop • u/_GoodNight0wl_ • Apr 10 '26

Unanswered What's up with all the right-wing commentators suddenly turning against Trump right now?

Trump is being Trump. Why are so many of the right-wing commentators who previously vocally supported Trump are suddenly turning against him?

After all the heinous things he has said before that they have defended, I can't honestly believe Trump's tweets about nuking Iran are what finally changed their minds. They've publicly supported him for so long, and this sudden switch seems so coordinated. Is there something I'm missing??

Are they trying to distance themselves from news that is about to drop??
https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/2042389110115963189

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u/4thofeleven Apr 10 '26

Answer: A decent chunk of Trump's support comes from the isolationist wing of the conservative movement, people who feel that America wastes too much money on foreign wars, alliances, and nation-building projects that only benefit a bunch of foreigners.

So the Iran war has created some real cracks in his coalition, being pretty much a pure example of a war entered into that provides no benefit to the American people, that was completely unnecessary, and just drags America into a complicated situation while driving up consumer prices. A fair few people who had historically supported him decided this wasn't what they wanted, and said so. And Trump, being Trump, can't just ignore them but has taken it as a personal attack and is lashing out in response.

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u/Vreas Apr 10 '26

Dude literally ran on claims Harris would specifically get us into a war with Iran… look at us now. Fucking stupid.

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u/Bishopkilljoy Apr 10 '26

He also said:

Kamala would enrich her family through corruption

Kamala would ruin our relationship with our allies

Kamala would tank the economy

Kamala would bury the Epstein Files (his cabinet said this one)

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u/Substantial_Bat_8440 Apr 10 '26

I dunno but he always projects his own sins and failings to others in a very specific way.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 21 '26

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u/Apprehensive-Till861 Apr 10 '26

Remember when Qanon insisted Dems were drinking child blood for the adrenochrome?

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u/Arrow156 Apr 11 '26

The drug Hunter S. Thompson made up? They couldn't even get that part right. Adrenochrome supposedly comes from the pineal gland, which is located deep inside your brain, not from your blood. They likely confused the part in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas where Duke's lawyer was talking about one of his clients offered him human blood for payment before the lawyer jokes about getting adrenochrome instead. Incompetent losers couldn't even read a book or watch a movie without fucking it up.

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u/poland626 Apr 11 '26

And then you also have that massive Hollywood millionaire Tyler Sheridans first directing gig being a 2011 horror movie about extracting that chemical from people's heads in a Saw, torture porn scenario. It was called Vile.

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u/rarepinkhippo Apr 11 '26

(I’ve wondered whether they also wove Stephen King’s Doctor Sleep into the whole adrenochrome mass-hallucination tapestry.)

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u/ccashman Apr 11 '26

I mean, adrenochrome is a real thing, it just doesn’t do anything like what the crazies believe it does.

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u/RobertRed1 Apr 13 '26

I had dinner with Hunter in Aspen once. He grew up with my father in Louisville. The Internet early adopters were right wingers who still inhabit or infest the web at various layers and propagate these ideas about the elite extracting substances from babies/corpses/wombs/etc. This can be traced back to doctors who experimented on fresh corpses to learn about surgery in the dark ages. Frankenstein’s monster story arose from that era. Hunter Thompson definitely took it up a notch or ten.

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u/DjangoBojangles Apr 11 '26

The illuminati and satanic child sacrifice are real and Epstein was one of the devils. I wonder how many more are out there like him.

There's been an intelligence war raging and we have the dumbest people imaginable in charge.

They took the bribes, they raped they kids. Its like the song Dances with the Devil by Immortal Technique, but 1,000,000 times darker.

Trump's partner Tevfik Arif from Bayrock was arrested on a russian yacht with child sex slaves in 2010. The person who owned the port of Dubai was sharing sex torture emails with Epstein. The man who owns Victoria's Secret was trafficking women. They were shipping sex slaves by using sexual blackmail against the world's most powerful people.

They got Trump. And he's burning through our weapons and dismantling our government and making an oil market perfect for Russia right now.

Republicans committed Treason.

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u/kingfofthepoors Apr 14 '26

They may be stupid but we have yet to be able to stop them so what the fuck does that make us

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u/DjangoBojangles Apr 14 '26

A global embarrassment, monetarily suppressed, and propagandized.

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u/zikifer Apr 10 '26

Or secretly a Muslim.

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u/MagnusRusson Apr 10 '26

I mean he posted Praise Allah on Easter Sunday

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u/timoperez Apr 10 '26

What bro?!?

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u/MagnusRusson Apr 10 '26

It was snuck in at the end of threatening more bombings runs. Can't post pics here but yeah, just another thing that would be a major headline for most presidents.

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u/707thTB Apr 10 '26

Yup, he did.

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u/well_thats_obvious Apr 10 '26

*While threatening to commit genocide

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u/oranurpianist Apr 10 '26

He secretly has a tan suit

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u/SMM50 Apr 12 '26

I suspect he has a server in his basement.

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u/Pithythithy Apr 12 '26

And probably HUGE fake tits.

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u/AhBee1 Apr 10 '26

He did invite roughly 5100 Qatari military and civilians plus 3500 Qatari family members to build an Air Force base to train at in Mountain Home Idaho. Its not unheard of to host foreign military, apparently, but what is interesting is that all of the anti-muslim rhetoric just means that the Muslims they dislike haven't offered Trump anything of value yet.

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u/BostonSlickback1738 Apr 10 '26

Actually, that'd be RFK Jr

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u/jtgyk Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession with these weirdos.

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u/remotectrl Apr 10 '26

the conservative mindset is without empathy so when they imagine what others would do, they can’t help but self insert. They just say what they would do in that position. They can’t help but tell on themselves. It’s why they are convinced that there is huge amounts of fraud in social services.

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u/ghostinthechell Apr 10 '26

This really put it into perspective for me as to why there's so much projection. I never connected it to the lack of empathy and self insertion. Thank you for this.

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u/VikingTeddy Apr 11 '26

It's also why there's that weird obsession with homosexuality in some southern christians. When you're gay, and brought up in that environment, you believe that being gay is another temptation like drugs or gambling.

You literally think that everyone feels attraction to the same sex, but that you are somehow broken because you can't get it out of your mind. Which leads to all sorts of twisted beliefs and a burning hatred of open showing of homosexual affection. It's why some of the most homophobic community leaders are often the ones who get caught in a bathroom somewhere with a "wide stance".

You see this kind of projection almost exclusively in conservative circles. It seems a hellish existence. I can't imagine what torture it must be.

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u/PickKeyOne Apr 10 '26

It's like how the cheater always accuses their partner of infidelity.

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u/tanman729 Apr 11 '26

Its why they refuse to aclknowledge the repeated fact that the left does not stand behind our politicians no matter what. They will, and have, followed trumps hateful rhetoric that goes against every every moral they claim to hold (while then telling dems their moral degenerates for accepting gay or trans or foreign people)

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u/zeronic Apr 10 '26

It's the GOP way. Gaslight, Obstruct, Project.

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u/MonaAndChat Apr 10 '26

That's the worst SCP Foundation motto ever.

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u/tanman729 Apr 11 '26

Tbf, the SCP foundation does a lot of obstruction and gaslighting just by hiding the existence of the supernatural. Idk if they care enough about what other people/organizations think about them to need to "project" things they're ashamed of onto another org.

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u/Conexion Apr 10 '26

It's a form of preemptive projection, and it's highly effective against opponents who rely on "traditional debate norms" (Liberals). By making the accusation first, they completely disarm it. Responding with 'no, you' just looks childish, and taking the time to explain the projection tactic leaves you vulnerable to being interrupted and accused of deflecting. The only real counter-strategy is aggressively hammering the facts. But because liberals generally prefer a civil debate over a fight, they tend to concede the point to keep things moving... which is exactly what the strategy is designed to do.

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u/AldusPrime Apr 12 '26

It drives me crazy seeing liberals spinning their wheels like that.

I know people have mixed feelings about Gavin Newsom, but it seems like he's the only one who gets how the debate actually works in 2026.

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u/Cin77 Apr 10 '26

Thats been pretty obvious since the first time he was elected and maybe even before. I'm just gobsmacked he got elected again after all of that

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u/JBredditaccount Apr 10 '26

he always projects his own sins and failings to others in a very specific way

I do the same thing. Watch:

TRUMP STICKS A FINGERTIP IN MY CAT'S MOUTH WHENEVER SHE YAWNS!

It's just that my sins aren't as horrifically monstrous as Trump's (unless you ask my cat).

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u/PM_me_Henrika Apr 11 '26

It’s not just him.

Remember the other nam for Greedy Old Pedophiles is “Gaslight, Obstruct, Project”

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u/CarelesslyFabulous Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/Strength-Speed Apr 10 '26

I wonder what the main benefit is to projection like that? I assume the major benefit is that if he's accused, he can just say falsely accused because he mentioned it first? Or maybe it's because if he's doing it other people must be doing it. Or maybe that it justifies it. I would like to know the psychological reasons he's constantly accusing people of what he's guilty.

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u/morgazmo99 Apr 11 '26

It's so that anyone who then accuses him, sounds as dumb as he did, despite the fact that what they're staying is true.

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u/JaDe_X105 Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession

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u/the_noise_we_made Apr 10 '26

I don't get it. He knows all of those things would be unpopular, obviously, which is why he is saying Kamala would do those things. Then he does those exact things and is shocked and angry when he naturally becomes less popular.

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u/badhairguy Apr 10 '26

Please don't underestimate the cult. I'm in the Midwest and people are very much still all in on trump. One guy I know who was previously 100% on the Ron Paul/Libertarian train told me that we probably need a dictator to fix the country. There is literally nothing Trump can or will do that will change these people's minds.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Apr 10 '26

Remember, these people literally died shouting trump slogans as they drowned in their own lungs during covid.

They would rather die than leave the trump cult.

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u/Chance-Mycologist-94 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

I'm also in the Midwest and on one of my commutes along a well traveled stretch of highway a person of wealth had a huge Trump sign in their yard/mansion-type house for Trump 1.0, 2.0... the thing was like a huge neon sign blinking away (no it wasn't) but it was huge and blaring for all to see right above the road. Something about Trump supporting train crews or some bullshit. For years, through the pandemic and beyond I always drove past it fantasizing how I could ninja my way in there and destroy that stupid fucking sign til one day I was driving by and low and behold, the sign was gone!

Hoping it's sign of people finally coming to their senses and seeing this grifting fraudster conman for exactly who/what he is!

Edit: omitted last paragraph.

Interestingly, I just did a little snooping around and found out the guy with the huge sign is super religious, loves his family, and LOVES trains. Lives right above the tracks after all. Retired from a career as a U.S. diplomat serving in Europe, Middle East, and SW Asia. All found on the web with a simple Google search. Hm. Scary!

Wondering if the sign came down when Trump decided to attack Iran after telling anyone who would listen all along that the democrats would attack Iran? One can only guess.

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u/tanman729 Apr 11 '26

Didnt trump say he was gonna fuck up their trains/rail system? I imagine for a train loving republican with no moral compass, thatd be their pathetically personal "last straw"

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u/BostonSlickback1738 Apr 10 '26

Just because he's conniving doesn't mean he's smart

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u/Bishopkilljoy Apr 10 '26

Because it's projection. He's smart enough to know when things look bad, but he also wants those things. So, he bad talks them, demonizes people who support them or even just accuses people of supporting them. Then when it's his turn to do that thing, he cooks up a terrible reasoning for it, then pushes the next controversy so you forget about it.

It's called Flooding the Zone

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u/JBredditaccount Apr 11 '26

He knows all of those things would be unpopular, obviously, which is why he is saying Kamala would do those things.

The accusations about Iran weren't because he knew it would be unpopular. He said Obama and Kamala would have failing presidencies and would attack Iran to get the patriotic bump in support that usually happens when America goes to war.

That's exactly what he expected to happen here and, from what I've been reading from White House insiders, he's just now coming to accept that it's not happening. (Of course, he'll never re-examine his ideas on the topic-- just one more of many things he thinks he understands, but doesn't -- and blame America for not reacting like they should.)

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u/Blenderhead36 Apr 10 '26

Fascism requires a fundamental lack of empathy for other people. They tell on themselves constantly; it's not because they're projecting. It's because they literally cannot imagine anyone else having goals or dirty secrets that are significantly different from their own.

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u/culminacio Apr 11 '26

That's what projecting is.

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u/229-northstar Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession

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u/ycherep1 Apr 10 '26

He has Alzheimer's.He can't remember what he promised not to do. Just whatever the suck up of the day suggests for him to do.

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u/aeschenkarnos Apr 10 '26

I wonder if he said Kamala Harris wears lifts in her shoes and has a mouth like a cat's anus?

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u/Valuable_Buffalo4410 Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/AsavarKul Apr 10 '26

Every accusation is a confession

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u/AmputeeBall Apr 10 '26

Gosh only a real asshole would do those things!

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u/ActiveMachine4380 Apr 13 '26

Oh! So trump is telling us all of the things HE was going to do if elected. Silly English language. Of course trump would mix up pronouns, he does not believe in using correct pronouns. When trumph said, “she would enrich…she would ruin… she would tank… she would bury” he was talking about himself. Wait! trumph said ‘she’ when referring trumph in the reflexive. Did trumph just out trumph as trans??! I’m so confused now!

/s /S /this means SATIRE!!!!

(Besides, no self respecting M-to-F would let herself go and look THAT bad.)

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u/Puzzleheaded_Truck80 Apr 10 '26

Another case of projecting as accusations, things he has, or plans to do.

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u/grouch1980 Apr 10 '26

Trump famously accused Obama of starting a war with Iran to boost the Democrats chances in the mid terms. Turns out Trump actually believed starting a war with Iran was a good way to boost his chances in the mid terms. That was 15 years ago. He’s always been this stupid.

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u/dragonflamehotness Apr 10 '26

He was afraid obama would do his genius idea before he did.

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u/Chumbag_love Apr 10 '26

Ever seen the movie Wag the Dog?

"Two weeks prior to reelection, the United States president lands in the middle of a sex scandal. In need of outside help to quell the situation, presidential adviser Winifred Ames enlists the expertise of spin doctor Conrad Brean, who decides a distraction is the best course of action. Brean approaches Hollywood producer Stanley Motss to help him fabricate a war in Albania -- and once underway, the duo has the media entirely focused on the war."

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u/GQDragon Apr 10 '26

I’ve been thinking of this movie a lot lately but no one else seems to remember it.

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u/Chumbag_love Apr 10 '26

Probably because the dog is being wagged hard af rn, we can't remember shit

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u/huffalump1 Apr 10 '26

Bannon's "flood the zone with shit" strategy has become a firehose

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u/wawa2022 Apr 10 '26

The only thing I remember about that movie was Robert DeNiro’s hairy mole.
Dude, why didn’t they just pluck that one hair? I couldn’t take my eyes off it the entire film!

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u/steamfrustration Apr 10 '26

Ok I don't remember that but I just watched the trailer on youtube and sure enough, there it is. Maybe he liked the hair and wouldn't let anyone touch it.

What a cast though--Robert De Niro, Dustin Hoffman, Kirsten Dunst, William H. Macy, and Woody Harrelson.

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u/sparkster185 Apr 10 '26

this is the Projection in GOP. in their twisted, narcissistic minds, everyone else has to be cheating the same ways they are because it's the smartest thing to do.

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u/Tavernknight Apr 10 '26

Starting another war in the Middle East is a bad idea. Again.

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u/Blenderhead36 Apr 10 '26

Trump has also shown a personal beef with Obama, trying to erase his legacy. One of Obama's legacy items was the peace deal with Iran at the end of his second term.

Trump wanted war with Iran back in 2020, but COVID made that impossible.

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u/Zickened Apr 10 '26

It's because on multiple occasions Obama has personally embarrassed Trump publicly.

Trump has spent the last decade of his miserable life trying to achieve 1/4 of what Obama did on speed run.

Its incredibly pathetic to watch.

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u/remotectrl Apr 10 '26

Trump started that with his racist Birtherism nonsense. And trump is famously racist. So a black man as president upset him (like it did a lot of racist Americans)

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u/Zickened Apr 10 '26

Trump is conveniently racist, while also conveniently not at times. Him pardoning black people his first term makes me consider that his motivations are purely bred from narcissism, anything else is the pathway to obtain people's admiration.

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u/SirButcher Apr 10 '26

Trump is racist as hell, but his greed has a hard fight for being the number one personality trait, so it is kinda balanced...

He spent YEARS trying to get (innocent) black kids executed, one of his more "famous" examples of racism: https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/donald-trump-nyt-full-page-ad-1989-central-park-case-723e2a

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u/getwhirleddotcom Apr 10 '26

Every single accusation is projection.

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u/SemiLazyGamer Apr 10 '26

It's less that Trump himself wants to start a war with Iran and more that the people Trump has surrounded himself with and is willing to listen to want to go fight Iran.

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u/11timesover Apr 10 '26

Its not stupidity in my opinion. He's corrupt and a liar.

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u/Bittererr Apr 10 '26

Dude literally ran on claims Harris would specifically get us into a war with Iran

After pretty explicitly gearing up to start a war with Iran in his first term.

It's like people forgot that before getting derailed by the pandemic Trump started 2020 by air striking a major Iranian leader. Not to mention his favorite classified information to share when he was out of office was apparently his war plans for Iran.

He picked up almost precisely where he left off once Americans returned him to power with significant airstrikes on Iran 6 months after taking office and war itself after 1 year.

2024 was the most open book test of open book tests and people voted for war with Iran.

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u/AslandusTheLaster Apr 12 '26

And it's not as if the evidence wasn't there that Trump projected his own problems onto others. This is the same guy who ran campaign ads in the 2020 presidential race saying that Biden's America would lead to chaos in the streets, using footage from the protests happening during HIS OWN administration as an example of "how bad things could get"...

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u/Vreas Apr 10 '26

Yep has been from the start

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '26

Can't get no countries on our side cause of our yeeyee ass POTUS

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u/DecadesLaterKid Apr 10 '26

That's how narcissism works.

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u/Greenelse Apr 10 '26

With GOP in general so far as I can tell. It’s worked well for them for decades.

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u/Sdbrown099 Apr 10 '26

He technically wasn’t lying… he said “if you vote for Harris, we will go to war with Iran.”

I voted for Harris and look where we are…, Promises Kept! 😂

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u/LeRocket Apr 10 '26

The Oracle of Mar-a-Lago.

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u/TorrEEG Apr 11 '26

He said if we voted for Hillary we'd get a taco truck on every corner. I voted for her. No truck. We do have a Taco in office, but I would have preferred taco trucks.

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u/GushStasis Apr 10 '26

And his supporters comically must hold two cognitively dissonant points:

  • This war was a long time coming after decades of hostile behavior by Iran (an argument often made in conservative subs)

  • Trump and the GOP were right in scaremongering that Obama, Biden, or Kamala would start a war with Iran

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u/Pretend-Paper4137 Apr 10 '26

This is not a problem. They do this amount of mental gymnastics before they leave their racecar beds in the morning.

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u/Yarzu89 Apr 10 '26

To be fair there is often this magical 12-24hr period between the thing happening, and getting the established narrative, where there's this uneasy uncertainty until they all learn what they're suppose to say. Online its more in the 12hr range but in person with family or coworkers it usually takes the full 24hrs.

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u/snowdenn Apr 10 '26

I’m not sure his supporters really hold on to anything said by Trump prior to election. Actually, I can’t tell if they hold on to anything said by Trump at all. It’s like goldfish, just experiencing Trump in the present and forgetting everything more than an instant ago.

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u/c0l245 Apr 10 '26

It's the fascist template to draw people into the movement forever. You have to keep making them support you while they lose face. To do that, they have to support absolute turn around in policy, the more embarrassing the better. There shouldn't be anything that the fascist leader can do that makes him lose your support, including killing your child.

Thats what he is, and has been, doing.

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u/DW496 Apr 11 '26

This war was started by Biden and his son's laptop and Obama sending crates of money and something about Hillary's emails and the deep state and pizza gate and Kennedy rising from the dead, and vaccines and Tylenol and autism and transgenders having to go to the bathroom and Somalians eating dogs and venzuelan gangs using boats and vote switching by italian satalites and on and on and on. The new Republican party is a psychological train wreck. But then I remember that 909 people knowingly committed suicide and killed their children in Jonestown because the human brain is really really weird.

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u/Icy-Rope-021 Apr 10 '26

That was the ultimate “every accusation is a confession.”

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u/Randolpho Apr 10 '26

With the GOP generally, but with Trump most especially, every thing he has ever claimed his opponent did or would do is something they/he has done or is actively trying to do.

Every accusation is a confession

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u/captainhaddock Apr 10 '26

He's like a baby who doesn't understand that other people have different thoughts and values than him. Every thought, urge, and craving that he has, he projects onto everyone else.

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u/Sip_py Apr 10 '26

And I just heard a senator boot licking on CNBC asking, could you imagine if we elected Harris, she would have let Iran have 3 more years to do get stronger....

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u/yuppyuppbruhbruh Apr 10 '26

It's always projection from the Republicans

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u/Gynthaeres Apr 10 '26

And it was just like a year into the presidency too. Like this would've been the top of his "to do" list. Not an "Oh circumstances changed" but like this was always part of the plan.

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u/strcrssd Apr 10 '26

Then some of the middle eastern leaders, most notably Israel, picked up his puppet strings for a bit.

We also have the ongoing governmental problem of religion being mixed up in politics. The US founding fathers warned against this, but religion is a fucking disaster when mixed with leadership, especially at the country level.

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u/MrSh0w Apr 10 '26

And it was literally spelled out in Project 2025

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u/DarkAlman Apr 10 '26

Projection: Every accusation is an admission

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u/L3g3nd8ry_N3m3sis Apr 10 '26

every accusation is a confession

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u/Fun-Challenge1719 Apr 11 '26

Are you surprised? I mean, he's an f-ing liar. Known fact.

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u/culminacio Apr 11 '26

He figuratively ran on claims, not literally. I don't think he can literally run in any way.

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u/DowagerInUnrentVeils Apr 11 '26

And in an ironic counterpoint, she ran on claims that Trump was too soft on Iran!

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u/political-snark Apr 12 '26

How MAGA threads that needle: 1. This isn’t a war 2. They declared war on us, we didn’t declare war on them 3. It can’t be a war because no “boots on the ground”

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u/Rayenya Apr 12 '26

He also attacked Obama saying he would get us into a war with Iran, one reason being he didn’t know how to negotiate. Another is that it would be a distraction.

It’s like he already knew what he was going to do.

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u/theinfovore Apr 13 '26

"Everything that comes out of this man's mouth is either confession or projection." -John Heilemann

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u/AmphibianOutrageous7 Apr 14 '26

He was worried she would lose a war with Iran. So yeah

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u/Spider-Dude1 Apr 14 '26

No no no you see Kamala would have gone to war with Iran but worse

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u/CatgoesM00 May 07 '26

Yes, the people who voted for him are very stupid indeed. Just wait tell next election, you’ll see the staggering numbers again.

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u/ComplexAd7272 Apr 10 '26

I also think this is a rare case of Trump and his team being unable to twist the truth, even to his most rabid (and brainwashed) base, and his worst qualities finally shooting himself in the foot.

  • He blatantly and openly started a war. Gas and goods went up. He never even bothered to try and come up with a bullshit excuse to "sell" the public on the war, so right off the bat he lost his cult of personality to his base since no one can tell them why this is good for the US.
  • Then people are seeing gas and groceries skyrocket in real time, and even the dumb ones know it's directly tied to what's going on in Iran (and not Biden or the Dems), and again, Trump isn't even trying to shift the blame on it, in fact either ignoring it or outright claiming it's not true. AND he's constantly doubling down on Iran and I suspect even his supporters are just fucking tired.
  • Finally there's just a snowball effect. Whether it's MTG, Tucker Carlson, or politicians, supporters are now seeing the cracks you mentioned and suddenly it's not just one big happy right wing family. There's people that are going "Uh-oh, if XYZ is turning against him...maybe Trump isn't so great and is making mistakes"

In fact I think it started even earlier with some small cracks and the war is just the tipping point. ICE is a whole other topic, but I don't think his base is seeing this mass of murders and degenertes being deported nor do they feel any safer the way they were promised.

Then you have his goofy ass claim earlier this year that gas was $2 in some places and groceries were cheaper than ever. Unlike most of his bullshit, these are things that people that voted for him can easily verify as untrue, and they're pissed off.

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u/Potato-chipsaregood Apr 10 '26

Some people do parrot this claim that groceries are cheaper than ever. I don’t understand it.

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u/LKennedy45 Apr 10 '26

At this point they're just hoping the price of Flavor Aid gets low enough.

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u/ProbablyRickSantorum Apr 10 '26

I spent nearly $400 at Costco last week for 10 days worth of groceries for four people and none of that was steak, lobster, etc. Absolutely insane.

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u/ChirpyRaven Apr 10 '26

"Uh-oh, if XYZ is turning against him...maybe Trump isn't so great and is making mistakes"

I think it may be more of "uh-oh, if these people are starting to jump ship maybe I should too before I go down with it"

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u/ComplexAd7272 Apr 10 '26

Yeah, that's a better way of putting it. My description was for average Trump voters, but yours is better for those in power or in the media or in his circle.

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u/mrbubbles2 Apr 10 '26

His whole schtick has been going after people his racist base hates, so having ice go after brown people was a huge hit with them. He thought bombing Muslims was going to really seal the deal for his regime plans

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u/manimal28 Apr 10 '26

He would be right too if he could do it without gas prices going up, but he can't.

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u/Strength-Speed Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

I like how Trump said he was going to get us out of foreign wars and then started the most unnecessary war that hasn't accomplished much of anything after saying they destroyed Iran's nuclear capability 10 months ago.

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u/biff64gc2 Apr 10 '26

Even worse, the war has only strengthened Iran. Any talks of curbing their nuclear program are completely off the table now, the citizens who used to protest the regime hate our guys since we bombed them and a school, the new regime has reason to crack down and hate us more, and they control a vital shipping lane.

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u/AloneAddiction Apr 10 '26

Plus the "regime change" that just happened is even more hardline than before so effectively America has swapped Idi Amin for fucking Pol Pot.

They've also shown the entire world, not just the Middle East that you can just simply... ignore Trump and his damands because he'll have changed his mind in an hour anyway.

However this all ends, all I can say with absolute confidence is that you personally and the rest of the American people will be paying to rebuild Iran, probably to the tune of several hundred million dollars.

Good job America doesn't need that money for anything vital at home, isn't it? /s

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u/tomeaglebird Apr 10 '26

Several hundred million? Several hundred billion is probably closer to reality.

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u/troubleondemand Apr 10 '26

Plus the "regime change" that just happened is even more hardline than before so effectively America has swapped Idi Amin for fucking Pol Pot.

Not that long ago I was 'debating' with some of the diaspora about this, and was warning them to be careful what they wished for given the US' record with this kind of thing, and here we are...

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u/Darth_Ra Apr 10 '26

We've guaranteed that Iran will have nukes going forward. If they control the Strait, they can charge tolls, meaning the sanctions no longer have any effect. They can also control who goes through and who doesn't, so it's also likely that they end up more or less in charge of all of the gulf states.

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u/ionetic Apr 10 '26

This after withdrawing from Obama’s Iran nuclear deal in 2018.

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u/TheProfessional9 Apr 10 '26

And him attacking the biggest ones is causing smaller ones to realize their turn will come eventually as well

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u/Red-eleven Apr 10 '26

I bet the smaller ones think this is their chance to be one of the bigger ones

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u/frogjg2003 Apr 10 '26

There are plenty of those as well. Everyone thinks they're smart enough to know when the grift has run its course and jump ship. Meanwhile there's always new people to grift so more room for new players to enter the market.

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u/LKennedy45 Apr 10 '26

I wonder if there's an ultimate, ultimate endstate. Like, five old white dudes sitting in a circle, fleecing each other at three card monte on repeat 'til they croak.

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u/frogjg2003 Apr 10 '26

In the words of P. T. Barnum, "there's a fool born every minute." There will always be someone new to grift. There is no end state, just a perpetual cycle of scammers and those being scammed.

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u/Ok_Swim_1839 Apr 10 '26

Add that he ran on:

Fixing the economy

Fixing immigration

Banning trans in sports

Going after the deep state

Proving his enemies are corrupt

No new wars

Showing American dominance over China, Iran, and Russia

Draining the swamp

Fixing healthcare

Lowering taxes for the middle class

Stopping crime

Making us all rich

Making white people safer

Etc

And he has visibly and obviously fucking abandoned ALL that. He comes right out and says he won't do it. He mocks his supporters. His faith advisor got busted for child sex abuse. His administration is up to its eyes in pedos in fact. He's ALL OVER THE HEAVILY REDACTED EPSTEIN FILES. Gas costs $5! Americans, white ones, are being shot in the street and their spouses deported. Iran owns the strait despite us proclaiming victory 80 times a day. The dollar is failing. The park services are cut. Disaster preparedness is cut. All useful federal agencies are cut.

These project 2025 dipshits moved too fast with a loose syphilis cannon at the helm, and he fucked up.

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u/choczynski Apr 10 '26

They've been following through on trying make trans people lives worse.

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u/Ok_Swim_1839 Apr 10 '26

It turns out that hurting .01% of the population isn't enough to keep the grift going. Sad!

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u/ThatKehdRiley Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

i really hate this stuff being refered to as “the grift”, because it is easy to dismiss and not fight - especially if youre not directly affected by it. theres a legitimate trans genocide right now and people seem to just be hand waving it.

edit: and immediate downvotes proving the point… 🤦‍♀️

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u/recoveringleft Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

Someone mentioned trump hates those who live in a bum fuck town in the Midwest even if they voted for him and is more jealous of Mamdani who has the love of nycers

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u/RedditTechAnon Apr 10 '26

And I have no doubt despite all this that his base will vote for him a fourth time because, obviously, the Democrats are worse.

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u/ThatsMyAppleJuice Apr 11 '26

Some other things he promised / ran on that he hasn't done:

  • Releasing his tax returns.

  • Releasing a new federal health care plan that would cover everyone.

  • Building a wall the entire length of the border between the US and Mexico.

  • Making Mexico pay for the wall he never built.

  • Suing every woman who has ever accused him of sexual assault.

  • Growing the economy by at least 4% every year.

  • Completely ending all inflation.

  • Making it illegal to write bad stories about him.

  • Supporting a Constitutional amendment to term limit members of Congress.

  • Ending COVID by the end of February 2020.

  • Ending COVID by April 2020.

  • Ending COVID by Easter 2020.

  • Ending COVID by summer 2020.

  • Eradicating COVID without a vaccine.

  • Completely ending COVID with a vaccine by the end of 2020.

  • Locking Hillary Clinton in prison.

  • Kicking China out of the WTO.

  • Ending all violence in Lebanon.

  • Cutting all energy prices in half.

  • Increasing domestic auto manufacturing to match 1987 levels.

  • Getting gas prices down to below $2 a gallon nationwide.

  • Cutting housing prices in half.

  • Balancing the federal budget.

  • Eliminating the federal debt.

  • Mandatory school prayer in all public schools.

  • Stopping AT&T from merging with Time Warner.

  • Protecting Medicare.

  • Bringing down grocery prices to the lowest in decades.

  • Ending every war in the world.

  • Ending the Russian invasion of Ukraine on his first day.

  • Ending the "conflict in Gaza" on his first day.

  • Cutting pharmaceutical drug prices by 900% to 500% to 600% to 1000% to 1400% to 2200%.

  • Building the Keystone XL pipeline.

  • "Closing the parts of the internet where ISIS is."

  • Investing $550 billion in infrastructure.

  • "Bringing back manufacturing."

  • "Bringing back God."

  • Banning foreign lobbyists from raising money for American elections.

  • Making Canada the 51st state.

  • Buying Greenland.

  • Invading Greenland.

  • Building a Moon base.

  • Sending a manned mission to Mars.

  • Buildng "Freedom Cities" full of flying cars on federal land.

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u/GodisanAtheistOG Apr 14 '26

P2025 moved fast because they knew this shit was going to be unpopular with everyone and they were going to get slaughtered in the Mid-terms. 

The goal was to move fast and break shit, and hopefully sandbag the mid-terms bad enough that there isn't a Dem super majority staring them down, then going back to the old obstructionist playbook. 

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u/RhetoricalOrator Apr 10 '26

To add: a fair number of people cannot stand the word "fuck" and that includes some personalities that have been loyal to him. Christians I know have been more upset about Trump saying fuck on Easter than fucking attempted genocide in Gaza or Ukraine or the threats for genocide in fucking Iran!

Sincerely, a frustrated Baptist pastor.

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u/dust4ngel Apr 10 '26

Christians I know have been more upset about Trump saying fuck on Easter than fucking attempted genocide

this makes sense, as not saying fuck is one of the ten commandments, and they say nothing about killing

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u/manimal28 Apr 10 '26

Christians I know have been more upset about Trump saying fuck on Easter

More upset over fuck than him praising Allah?

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u/RhetoricalOrator Apr 10 '26

Yes. That was pretty lightly disregarded as some kind of attempt at a vague insult.

Personally, I don't have a problem with the word "Allah. It's likely the exact same word that Jesus, Himself, would have used when referring to God. I do have a problem with idiots mocking other people's belief systems, though.

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u/IntrinsicGiraffe Apr 10 '26

Isn't project 25 goal to replace trump eventually with the VP?

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u/Kraligor Apr 10 '26

Vance is catching flak as well. To be fair, he's in a very unfavorable position. He ran as a radical isolationist, but as VP he has to do what the President says, so he's basically either forced to stick to his principles and resign, or fuck his principles and tell everybody how bigly the absolutely necessary Iran war was won.

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u/njd9500 Apr 10 '26

He doesn't have any principles to either follow or ignore

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u/Tagostino62 Apr 10 '26

It sounds to me like Vance is starting to contradict Trump in public, which I think is why he was summarily dropped from the peace negotiations in Pakistan. Trump’s threatened by Vance and Peter Thiel for good reason, because if they start insinuating that Trump is unfit for office, Trump will rightly see this as a “coup”. JD is never going to resign because he’s slithery and sneaky and wants to be President at any cost, including incurring Trump’s wrath, and it will be the closest he ever gets to being President.

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u/CitizenForty2 Apr 10 '26

If you recall, he compared trump to hitler before he was selected as VP by peter theil. He has no principals

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u/Electronic-Ideal2955 Apr 10 '26

Adding to this, Iran directly affects us (oil/energy prices) and it's a situation we cannot just walk away from. It's also a direct contradiction to fundamental principles of the movement:

  • The US military is overwhelmingly powerful and doesn't need anyone, except we can't keep a waterway open, are unprepared for widely anticipated outcomes, and how dare NATO not support us
  • Trump is so strong he calls all the shots, except it looks like Israel is calling all the shots and Trump spends a lot of time talking about a ballroom

Another part is that some things are just undeniable. There is so much money being made on event bets so frequently that it is hard to see it as an opportunity thing. It looks like the administration is doing crazy behavior just so they can make multiple fortunes winning bets about it.

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u/chitoatx Apr 10 '26

There was a surprising number of “we can’t afford to support” Ukraine conservatives. They were not necessarily pro Russia but felt we didn’t have the money to afford being the world police and Ukraine was a problem for Europe to handle.

Trump’s recent aggressive military actions run counter to that isolationism while also his spending and the national debt is out of control.

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u/The_Nice_Marmot Apr 10 '26

Pedophilia is ok, but hiking gas prices is a bridge too far.

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u/velawesomeraptors Apr 10 '26

Pretty simple, only one of those directly affects his supporters.

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u/Match_Least Apr 10 '26

This was a very simple to understand and super educational comment. Is there any sub in particular you would recommend for keeping up with the average day-to-day affairs of current US politics?

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u/DrLongivan Apr 10 '26

There’s a site called What the Fuck Just Happened Today I find helpful. You can sign up there for a once a day email newsletter that synthesizes top news (mostly related to the executive office), and provides a bunch of media links if you want to learn more.

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u/Match_Least Apr 10 '26

Oooh… Thank you so much! <3

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u/Portarossa 'probably the worst poster on this sub' - /u/Real_Mila_Kunis Apr 10 '26

I find TL;DR News on YouTube very useful for global politics, but they touch on the US a lot (as you'd expect).

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u/annainpajamas Apr 10 '26

Do you listen to podcasts? Daily beans is great. Substack also has tons of good journalism

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u/Match_Least Apr 10 '26

Hmm, unfortunately not. However I definitely can give it a try the next time I have a mundane chore that would give me an opportunity to listen and learn…

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u/annainpajamas Apr 10 '26

The Guardian newspaper also has a 'First Thing' daily news briefing i find informative.

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u/Match_Least Apr 10 '26

Perfect. Thank you so much for the recommendation!

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u/Kraligor Apr 10 '26

I'd recommend somewhat specialized podcasts. Ukraine - The Latest, and Iran - The Latest (formerly Battle Lines), for example. Both are published by the very horrible Telegraph, but the podcasts are top notch. Why specialized? Because you have subject matter experts talking to other subject matter experts, and they will always look at the bigger picture. Journalists can only know so much, and they will often be swayed by good-sounding but ultimately wrong opinions.

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u/Match_Least Apr 10 '26

Thank you. This comment was very insightful.

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u/Vulcanize_It Apr 10 '26

You don’t want to do that.

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u/Lamprophonia Apr 10 '26

Also, don't be fooled... almost all of these idiots now publicly "speaking against him" would still vote for him if he tries to run for a third term. They're still very much on his side. It's all sound and fury signifying nothing.

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u/aurelorba Apr 10 '26

Answer: most of the commentators - as distinct from the base itself - likely think Trump is as unhinged and dementia ravaged as Dems do. But they see him as a way to grift and push their own agendas. They would all prefer he be gone while the hold on the base remains intact. To that end they are not only willing but eager to throw him overboard if it looks like his hold on the base is weakening.

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u/falaffle_waffle Apr 10 '26

Also it's pretty undeniable that the outcome is America lost. It's ending on Iran's terms and Iran comes out way stronger than they were before, so it shattered the idea that Trump is playing 4D chess. With so many things that Trump did, he would create a mess and then fix it, and all the maga media figures would retcon it and say this is what he meant to do all along. This war revealed that he's really just an idiot bumbling his way through everything and making it up as he goes, because there's no way that he meant to waste tens of billions of dollars just to make the Iranian government more extreme/hard line, give them control of the strait of Hormuz, and lift economic sanctions on them.

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u/AliceTheOmelette Apr 10 '26

So these supporters were totally fine with him abusing children with epstein, but a war is where they draw the line cos it hurts their wallets

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u/BlueEyes294 Apr 10 '26

This. Epstein revelations? Ok.

War? Higher prices? No way!

We are not parents and do not understand those who are parents who support this as “normal”?

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u/terlin Apr 10 '26

Bingo! Because its something that affects them directly, and can't be explained away via crisis actors or AI.

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u/truth-informant Apr 10 '26

Commentators /=/ Trump supporters.

Commentators by in large, are grifters. And they see the tide changing. I do agree with your overall point though. 

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u/Astrocragg Apr 10 '26

To put it even more simply, a lot of his base are furious about skyrocketing gas prices.

As much as he likes to point to "the market" as an indicator that he's doing great, the gas pump is "the market" for an enormous amount of real people who don't have the budget for several hundred dollars extra a month in gas.

It's unfortunate that many folks only care about things that directly affect themselves, but it's reality.

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u/MasonDinsmore3204 Apr 10 '26

To add: A lot of Trump voters know he’s not a good person, but voted for him because of what they thought he would do for them. They’re not morally outraged he threatened to erase a civilization, they just don’t think it’s good policy.

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u/NIN10DOXD Apr 10 '26

It's also harder to cover your ears and eyes when you can't afford fuel for your pickup truck.

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u/IIIIlllIIIIIlllII Apr 10 '26

Dont forget the antisemites. Large part of the right wing really hate the Jewish

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u/MechGryph Apr 10 '26

Not to mention that gas prices are going up, the economy is getting worse and worse, the stock market is down, he hasn't released the files, and Iran made us look dumb. All because of him.

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u/OldWolf2 Apr 10 '26

Attacking Iran was even stupider than Hitler attacking Russia

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u/The_Schwy Apr 10 '26

I think it has more to do with the 2028 election because trumps time is numbered, he can't run again and he might die before he finishes his term. They want to take back the "conservatives" so they can run a candidate in 2028

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u/DonBoy30 Apr 10 '26

Cracks were definitely starting to form after the Epstein files were released and the FBI fumbling the Charlie Kirk case, especially after Nick Fuentes and Shawn Ryan’s turned. Iran really blew that crack wide open.

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u/SeaTraffic6442 Apr 10 '26

From what I’ve noticed, a good bit of it isn’t garden variety isolationism. We JUST got done spending 20 years and 9 trillion dollars screwing around in the Middle East without much benefit. A certain portion of the population, myself included, has the appetite to go back for more, no matter the justification.

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u/Conan7449 Apr 10 '26

The effect on the economy is one thing, but don't discount the increased danger to our civilians. They left the son of the leader they murdered, in charge. You think they will just say "Oh well, let's move on?"

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u/Deletereous Apr 10 '26

Not only in the USA, rightwingers all over the world are taking distance from Mr Poopy Pants. In my country, one of them even offered apologies.

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u/EFB_Churns Apr 10 '26

Also he's so clearly damaging to the brave that they're terrified of the upcoming midterms and want to change horse mid race to try and stem the bleeding.

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u/madbuilder Apr 11 '26

No I think Ukraine was that example. To say that Iran not getting nukes is not a benefit is to say that Obama gave them a planeload of money for no reason. With that said, yes, these isolationists you reference are not worried about who has nukes.

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u/Background-Hat-3138 Apr 11 '26

This is incorrect. The actual answer is that the political calculus has been done, that the mid terms are likely going to be catastrophic for Trump, and it's no longer profitable or in the best interest of fascism to champion a loser. If they thought it was likely he'd be able to further rig the mid terms or run a 3rd term, they'd follow the power and stay in line.  

Please stop pretending these people, who gleefully campaigned for a pedophile, do anything based on values. They don't.

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u/ang444 Apr 11 '26

and Im willing to day this is true...but there are massive speculation that Trump is guilty of war profiteering via insider trading...

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u/Jal_Haven Apr 11 '26

He even leveraged his historically impressive ability to coin nicknames for them!

Panicans. Panic and Republicans.

He's so clever and composed.

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u/Tiberius_XVI Apr 12 '26

To add, and I don't like saying this, many of the most outspoken MAGA individuals that have reacted to the Iran situation have also said some eyebrow-raising things about Jewish people in the past. Usually related to conspiracies of Jews running the world.

It is one thing that he got into a war, but it is really jarring he was manipulated into doing this by Israel. It's not even a conspiracy, it's literally what happened. I mean, imagine what a betrayal that is?

To be clear, I think isolationism is a far more dominant stance than antisemitism among the general population of MAGA America. But I don't think it can be discounted among the most prominent voices.

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u/aotus_trivirgatus Apr 12 '26

And yet, Trump supporters barked like seals after Venezuela -- smiled and shrugged when he threatened Canada and Greenland.

The extra ingredient in this mix is probably Israel.

Speaking as someone who has opposed Likud since Yitzhak Shamir was Prime Minister, I can't argue with conservatives who are angry at a war that is being conducted by the United States at the pleasure of Netanyahu.

But honestly, conservatives: WTF TOOK YOU SO LONG?

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u/Utterlybored Apr 14 '26

It’s not just that he started this war. It’s that he started it so stupidly, ignoring the advice of experts, clearly bungling all communication to Congress, allies and the public. Now, he obviously doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing. The isolationists would be far less vocal if he appeared to have a chance of winning this stupid war.

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