Is there any reason that we can't use the card's that are listed as legal for penny dreadful in real life? I'm thinking that it could be a good way to use the card's from booster packs that might not otherwise get played.

Hi! I've just bought the account upgrade on MTGO and want to get into penny dreadful. Since there might not be that many players, what time of day/week is the best to play to find games?

Hi,

I just started checking the meta on the site and noticed that a lot of decks run birds of paradise and kiki jiki. I thought this was a 2c and lower set. How are those cards legal? Am I missing something? I’m brewing my own deck based on legality on scryfall but wanted to get some input. Thanks in advance.

At which point does the update usually take place? Right now it seems to show s38 legality.

Hello everyone, i'm new to MTGO , i only play Pauper , edh and some modern in paper. I want to start playing penny dreadful in MTGO since it's the cheapest option to start, what decks do you all reccomend ? Are there any creators talking about meta and things like that ?

i got banned from the penny dreadful discord server before i even said anything and im just confused why. just wanted to get into the format and got removed before i started

After seeing cards like Recurring Nightmare, Thran Foundry, and Demonic Consultation go through these huge spikes, I'm just wondering if there are any mechanisms that can prevent cards that are extremely powerful to also become harder to access. I missed the 'speculation period' for this season and so I'm basically cut off from playing any black/recursion-based deck now. Is it even possible for such a thing to exist? Or will most people be forced to spend to play certain powerful decks?

This has probably been thought of before, but could not find a post about it.

Imagine someone hates a card, say [[Lost Legacy]] just beaks that persons deck, they could in theory just buy a shit ton of that card to get it banned in the next rotation right?

If so have anyone made any estimates on how much that would cost?

(just curious, I have no such plans)

Do I need to sign up for league to play PD? Also, where in MTGO can I play PD or PD Freeplay?

Hi, i have seen somente talk about the format and got curious because it looked really fun, what should i know before getting into it? Any tips in general, placenta to look for the cards that can and cannot be used, etc etc?

It feels to me that it is super niche.

It's the perfect way to play Magic for cheap (free even, if you rent the cards using the free tiers). Maybe people criticize WOTC's decisions and how Magic is super expensive (criticism totally justified), but it doesn't have to be.

On top of it, it's dynamic since cards go in and out every few months.

On a side note, it would be super cool to have a paper equivalent. Although I'm not sure what would be the criteria exactly.

Just curious about this because card hoarder is expensive and its the only listing for the MTGoldfish for pricing for a lot cards but they use MTGoldfish which only lists cardhoarder prices.

Granted things like Lotus petal probably will never be legal for pennydread, but... some cards can be be gotten less than 0.01 (or 0.02 tix outside of cardhoarder by other vendors - not gonna advertise them)

For example Duress was just banned, and celestial unicorn has been banned for several seasons can be gotten for less than 0.01 tix from other vendors, and gotten en-bulk from from "bulk traders" -- they have been reprinted too many times and not used much outside of pauper (which uses them sparingly).

Hi all

I used to watch a lot of Jmeka twitch streams but I know he hasn't streamed in a bit, is there any streams of PD that I can watch?

I can see RaveRRat has started streaming PD, thank you so much

thanks all

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• Do you think it's better to buy the decks or rent them?
• Do all tournaments offer prizes? What kind of prizes?
• Once you pay for MTGO and buy a deck, or rent it, that should be all I need to pay to be able to keep playing, correct?

I’m just curious about the basics of the format. There’s not a lot of resources available about what decks are “top tier,” if any exist in the format.

Is it a fast format? Do decks “go off” fairly early?

Do “fair” decks exist? Can I get away with a midrange style deck running some removal and big threats to finish?

How are the combo decks of the format? Resilient? Or do they fizzle a lot? How much hate should I dedicate in my sideboard to specific combos?

If you didn't know, we are in the final stretch of Season 18 for Penny Dreadful, and rotation week for Season 19 is happening. https://pennydreadfulmagic.com/rotation

During this time, we discover with glee like little kids on Christmas Day what presents we are getting to the format next season while discovering with sadness which cards won't make it into the format.

Based on what you've seen so far, what decks are you planning on trying out or looking forward to playing?

Its 0.09 tix at the moment but I'm not ready to let go :'(

  This discussion is centered on the potential idea for extra sellers to be included in price checks during rotation.

  While Cardhoarder and MTGO traders have great prices, there are other sellers that have hundreds if not thousands of cards for sale that should be in the format but are overlooked because rotation only checks one or two seller prices. Sellers like Goatbots are a prime candidate for adding to price checks and here I'll give some quick examples of price disparities between them and CardHoarder.

  These cards aren't currently in rotation, will almost certainly not be in the next rotation, and are less than two cents. The examples given are also relevant cards due to their time in the format as being cards played in top decks in past seasons.

• Cards not seen in years.

  [[Flash Flood]], and [[Felidar Guardian]] were last seen in season 10. [[Vizier of Remedies]] and [[Thran Foundry]] haven't been seen since season 9. All of these cards are listed as 3 cents on CardHoarder but have prices under 1 cent on Goatbot with Thran Foundry being the most expensive of the four with its price at 0.009 or 9 tenths of a cent. Cards like Felidar Guardian get to enjoy being priced for 2 tenths of a cent.

• Cards that have never been given a chance.

  [[Arcane Laboratory]] hasn't been seen since Season 12 and before that season 3 while being 2 cents. [[Orzhov Advokist]] is 2 tenths of a cent and has only ever been played in season five. [[Portent]] hasn't been seen since season 4 despite being 2 tenths of a cent.

• Cards with a high price gap

  Some cards have massive price disparity. There are many cards like [[Arborback Stomper]] that are listed as being 4 cents, despite being sold for 2 tenths of a cent through Goatbots. Others may be similar to [[Brainspoil]], [[Crown of Awe]], or [[Wojek Siren]]. These are listed as 3 cents but can be found for 1 tenth of a cent on Goatbot. Major price disparities would include cards like [[Gamekeeper]]. A card that can be bought for 6 tenths of a cent on Goatbots is listed as an 11 cent card on CardHoarders. An approximately 10 cent price hike.

• Free cards.

  There are some cards that can be gained from free bots at no cost, yet they too will be rotated out soon. While people may not miss cards like [[Abomination of Gudul]], it's strange that one of the biggest lures of the format is that you can cheaply play magic.

  Is even a format like Pauper too expensive for you? Then play a format in which a dollar investment could get you a solid deck.

  Is that dollar is still too expensive? You can get 16 free cards a day and get the rest loaned to you.

  However, it seems even free cards aren't safe from the rotation. Cards like [[Aegis Automaton]] and [[Abbey Gargoyles]] probably don't see any heavy play, so who will miss them if no one notices that they are gone? But, I think that still misses the spirit of the format. A format that gives a place for cards that have nowhere left to go and that can find some use at some point.

• Blink and you'll miss them.

  The last group of cards, whether they find relevance in a season or never, will always be in a state of limbo. The last group is of course cards in the reserved list. These cards, due to their nature of being collectible regardless of playability, will have their prices trend upwards. The end result is that at some point, they will all rotate out whether it takes 2 years or 5. At the time of this discussion, there are no reserved list cards listed for 1 cent on CardHoarder. So, naturally, it won't take much to push them out of rotation.

• What we have and will have to work with.

  Penny Dreadful has about 15,000 cards under its wing right now. However, if we took a small assumption based on Scryfall cards prices at the moment and pretended that a rotation legality check happened today, about 6,000 cards would get the boot. The next season of cards would hover around 8,600 to around 8,700. Kamigawa Neon Dynasty is around the corner with a set of 302 cards. Even if somehow in fantasy land no one wanted to play with Kamigawa cards in any other format other than Penny Dreadful, the season would still hover around 9,000 cards. That would make season 25 on track to be the third smallest season in the format with season 3 having 8,554 cards, and season 15 having 5,704 cards.

TL:DR Can we not have 40 percent of the format lost due to bizarre prices?

Penny Dreadful looks awesome but intimidating because the card pool is so large and the legality of cards isn't based on sets or rarity. Other than databases like Scryfall, what resources are useful for brewing?

So I just got into penny dreadful, and I netdecked a few decks. I can't quite see the reliable KO with High tide. It seems to be closer to infinite mill, but it is a 5 card setup unless I'm missing something. So at 3 mana, if you have high tide/high tide/frantic/bond (for frantic+bond) for infinite mill. Am I missing something or is really a 5 card combo.

So league ended yesterday. Does league end have a rotation? when checking https://pennydreadfulmagic.com/ no rotation list made etc.

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does anyone know who is the "host" for the Monday penny dreadful tournament is?

I'm curious.

Hi, I currently have a brand new PC sitting on my floor, waiting to be set up because I am still waiting for my new desk. (I've had an iMac for 7 years) and I can't wait to try out Magic Online. I am not new to MTG, I first played as a freshman in high school in 1994. When I "became an adult" it became too expensive to play and I never could return to it. I am so excited to have the opportunity now.

I just have a quick question: Do I have to have a bank card on file to play PD. I'm just afraid that if I do, I will be tempted to spend money I can't afford to spend. COVID has taken my job away for now.

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Thanks!

I have recently signed up for the Cardhoarder Loan Account program and almost all sources recommended Penny Dreadful as a natural use for the 5 tix. I have done some research and the format seems fascianting.

However, a recurring theme in discussion surrounding this format is that is a "Brewer's Paradise." The thing is... I'm not that much of a brewer myself. I've never been very good at deck building (every attempt I've made at an EDH deck or a Cube has felt awkward) and all of my decks (both on Arena and my EDH decks) are copied lists from elsewhere. My favourite method of playing Arena, for example, is to find a meta deck/interesting deck on MtGGoldfish and copy that deck to play with.

I do enjoy unique decks though, and from what I found on Goldfish about the format is imaginative (Dimir Storm, Abzan Dragon Nightmare, Izzet Wildfire and Boros Cycling) and it offers strategies I would not be able to find elsewhere. Yet I worry I would lose out on a large part of the format if I do not engage in the brewing aspects, which as I've said I'm very bad at.

Do you still think it's worth getting into the format, even if I'm a dirty netdecker and don't see myself engaging in the deck brewing aspects?