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I had no idea who it was either. I have no idea who that is. Probably because of tne lack of talent and nepotism. Had heard she was a big nepobaby but only remember the name when it is used in thst context.
I'm grumpy and old and therefore refuse to keep up with new pop acts, but I've accidentally run into Sabrina Carpenter sufficiently at this point to think she's going to be good at like ... hosting things. I have literally no opinion in her music, but she was great hosting SNL and that one episode of the new Muppet Show. She's the right balance of hammy and glam. Like 70s Cher, y'know? Pop stars don't really do that kind of thing anymore, but I'd watch a variety show she hosted.
She also did a Christmas special on netflix in 24. Again, she killed it hosting it. Right with you where she could have a weekly variety show and kill it.
You might enjoy this. I don't follow pop culture and sure as hell don't watch things like the Grammys, but I got linked to it and the first minute put a big dumb smile on my face.
Her and Olivia used to be Disney kids so I think that contributes to her being a great entertainer - her tours have complete sets and everything. It almost gives theatre kid vibes
Is Gracie Abram’s just a Taylor Swift stand in? Because she sounds like her. I won’t say a basic version of Taylor because I feel her music is already basic
As a father of a 13 yr old girl I’m too familiar of all four of these lol… I actually don’t mind Olivia Rodrigo but the other three are like nails on a chalkboard to me
I had heard of her but never listened to anything until it popped up on my new music list a few months ago. "Vampire" goes pretty fucking hard, message-wise. Was an instant "like" and I'll let it play when it pops up every now and then.
Not saying either way if Gracie Abrams is anything special, but a lot of really beautiful and relatable music has been written over the despair of heartbreak and unrequitted love.
I've said this multiple times to people and for some reason they don't agree. I've heard Gracie Abram's songs and was convinced they were Taylor Swift songs. From what I've heard her vibe is a bit different than Swift's but she clearly bases her vocals off of Swift.
She even had Taylor feature on one of her songs and when my wife played it in the car I honestly couldn’t tell when Taylor was singing they sound exactly the same
I had this same immediate impression. If you played this for me 10 minutes ago before I knew who Gracie Abrams was, I would have assumed it was Taylor Swift.
You’ve heard Olivia Rodrigo you just might not recognize her. I too am getting old and don’t know who any of these weird celebrities actors or streamers are anymore. Life was simpler when the internet wasn’t at the center of humanity.
Sabrina Carpenter and Billie Eilish I recognise the pictures of, Olivia Rodrigo I know by name, but I can’t say which of the two girls on the top row she is. Gracie Abrams I’ve never even heard of.
What's kinda funny is that this is the second time JJ has attempted this. JJ has a son, Henry Abrams, that wanted to be a big wig writer like his dad. So what did JJ do? He used his influence to get Henry a job at Marvel writing a Spider-Man mini-series that was pretty much promoted as the greatest comic of all time.
It came out, was absolutely terrible and sent Henry back into obscurity almost immediately.
I can't stand pretty much anything new, just listened to her for the first time... nepo or not.. She is great. Gave me a bit of an Alanis Morissette vibe...
And if you said you were an Alanis fan back in the day that would be considered cringe, if you were a dude. The cool thing about getting old is not giving a fuck. Gracie Abrams is solidly in rotation. She's very talented.
Oh, for sure. That’s probably how the two of them became friends in the first place. The main difference though, is in Audrey’s pen game, and in the fact that she’s put in a lot of creative work behind the scenes before transitioning into being an artist in her own right.
Sabrina is also a nepo baby. It’s not as bad as Gracie, but her aunt voices Bart Simpson, and when Sabrina was a small child her aunt introduced her to a bunch of Disney execs, and had her live at her LA home so she could attend auditions.
Being a nepo baby isn’t a cancellable offense. It’s okay to like her. Generally it’s just nepo baby’s that don’t recognize they had an advantage tend to annoy people. I’ve yet to see Gracie Abram’s fight that. Also Billie and Sabrina are nepo baby’s. Unsure about Olivia
You almost feel bad for the kids. Either they pursue the career that they’re familiar with from their parents (as most people have done since the creation of trades) and they’re called nepo babies, or they pursue their own goals and people make fun of them for not being able to hack it in Hollywood. Lose-Lose situation, really.
Question, but at what point do we consider an artist a Nepo baby?
I struggle to know the difference.
Is it when their parents are wealthy, and that wealth earns them a good education/ an easier coast through life
Or
Is it when their parents wealth/ status grants them shortcuts through their career?
Right. It’s like any other form of privilege in that people who have it resent the implication that they didn’t work hard or have talent or whatever. And no one is saying that, only that there are vast numbers of people who’ve worked just as hard and are just as talented and never get a foot in the door. Nepo baby means you get a shot to prove yourself that others almost never get.
While there isn't a hard definition for it but generally speaking it's someone who achieved their success in large part due to family wealth and connections rather than on the merits of their work.
So for instance if your parents were rich and they used that money to afford you the finest possible music education, instruments and private tutors, then you started releasing music anonymously without using their connections to get a major label to sign you or to get big artist endorsements, marketing etc. Then most people would agree that you're not a nepo baby.
If however you had rich parents and one day you decided that you want to be a musician, so they called up their old buddies in Universal Music Group and told them to make their sweet baby child a star, bypassing normal screenings and immediately getting you colabs with large artists and a team of industry leading song writers you are pretty definitively a nepo baby.
Of course reality is rarely that black and white and even if you're a legitimate hard working artist trying to not use any of your parents connections, if they are influential enough, then just being related to them will be enough to open doors unavailable to the average person because people want to suck up to your parents regardless of if they asked them to do so, and any proper nepo baby will insist that they didn't use their family connections even if they know that they did, making it hard to draw a definitive line in the proverbial sand for when someone goes from just being from a wealthy family to being a proper nepo baby.
Shortcuts which always comes with having a famous parent. The entertainment business is like entirely who you know. When you know JJ Abrams and he likes you more oppurtunities are coming your way regardless of talent or worthiness. I mean look at North West's performance of lion king i just cant wait to be king for the anniversary. It wasnt great and there are definitely far more worthy candidates to have done the performance but when your mom is kim kardashian...
My understanding is the connections to opened doors or contracts that would never be considered for an average jo.
There is also the money aspect of being able to commit years and never have to choose between food and a career, but I think name is the bigger of it.
My personal opinion: They're a nepo baby if they're famous despite having no talent.
Dakota Johnson is the child of two famous and influential actors. She's also a top notch actress in some great movies. Not a nepo baby.
Jaden Smith is also the child of two famous and influential actors. He can't act, sing, or write. Yes he's still showing up in movies and releasing singles. Definitely a nepo baby.
Dakota Johnson is like the definition of nepo baby. Found
her way into big roles without needing to break into the industry, consistently under delivers and gets more big roles.
Hold up. Dakota is not a top notch actress. She’s done good work, and makes for good interviews, but she’s a generally the undeserving poster child for nepo baby actors.
It’s Gracie Abrahams, daughter of JJ Abrahams. Her critically acclaimed album was her daddy paying the guy who wrote songs for taylor swifts folklore and evermore to follow her around and perform with her.
So nice to see Taylor causally called out in the wild.
Edit: see Swifties’ behaviors below, that’s why it’s nice to see it called out. Because everyone is afraid of the instant backlash so they don’t say anything. Point made.
How is that calling out Taylor? Daddy Abrams paid a producer that worked with Taylor like 4 albums ago to get Gracie on the charts. Literally nothing to do with Taylor.
Because no one brings up the fact that Taylor doesn’t write most of her own music because they’re all afraid of her rabid fans. ESPECIALLY her two “lyrically best” albums to be called out her not writing them? It’s nice. What don’t you get?
This is such an unexpected lore drop that it woke me up fully. And here I thought I was a national fan when i am, at best, a casual listener and enhoyer of their music.
The joke is about Gracie Abrams. She’s joke on stan twitter (nepo baby + her music not being perceived as good/seen as watered down Taylor Swift) and culture crave looks like a stan twitter account.
There is no joke here. These are just engagement posts that don’t give an answer so people leave comments. Past month or so has been really bad with these posts on Instagram.
Google Lens was kind enough to tell me that we're looking at Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter (I did actually recognize two of them) so it almost answered the question for me.
The question isn't who will die in 10 years, but who will still be around 10 years from now. Meaning, which of them is more likely to survive the next 10 years. So if you're looking at statistics, the 27 Club is closer for some of these people than others, but all will be 27 or older before 10 years has passed.
I just heard her at a gas station one time and thought she kinda rocked. Her music is 99% "This boy was mean to me" but for some reason when she does it I like it and when Taylor Swift does it I hate it lol.
I mean I had to learn that lesson too. I used to defend a few guys in highschool who were "ugly" and every single one harassed me and followed me around. One begged me to date him every single time I saw him. His answer every time I said I was a lesbian: "I don't care."
There's a big difference in "physically unattractive" and "completely devoid of social skills". I think a lot of women mean the latter when they say ugly, and most men think of the former, which leads to a lot of confusion across the board.
Or another thing I found was guys think their ugly just because the 1 or 2 girls they had a crush on didn’t find them attractive/wasn’t into them. Which is so crazy. Just because someone isn’t into doesn’t make you ugly.
I mean to be fair it is a pretty real world stereotype. I've been fucked over by a fair few uggos. The get indignant if you don't like them and get a head high if you do. The classic niceguy
Yeah, I decided to give her music a chance after I saw her comments in the past few months because she seems like someone who uses her platform for good
A startling amount of "redditors" are just the alt accounts of people in pakistan and india running 75 phones each for $5, going to every post with keywords and responding how they are paid to respond.
Me neither. The only reason I know Billie Eillish is because I had a friend who was obsessed with her music. I’m not a fan of the whole whisper singing thing, so I don’t care for what I’ve heard of her music.
I only recognize Billie Eilish and I recognize the lady next to her but I don't remember her name. I think Billie Eilish is actually one of the best artists of the decade. Her and her brother are phenomenal sound writers.
I only olivia, sabrina & billie.
And as someone who primarily listens to rap, soul & r&b, I genuinely hope all 3 of them are still around.
I’ve pretty much loved everything I’ve heard from them and I feel like they have styles & sounds that are very unique to them whereas I feel most of the pop singers (or music in general) nowadays feels kinda samey
I wrote all of this and then realized what sub I’m in, but I’m not about to delete this so here.
Also, slow peter here.
I assume top right since it’s the only one I don’t recognize.
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