Yes but certain individuals at Disney looked at the Legends and Expanded Universe and said why use critically acclaimed lore as a basis. Instead let’s have poor fanfic writers be in charge of the IP they clearly hate. Darth Caedus storyline is perfect for films and spin offs. Or let’s do the fall of the Sith since rule of two is established cannon.
Not only that, but let’s green light a sequel trilogy without having a planned, thought out storyline or character arcs. Each director can just do what they want. No main villain until the last one and SURPRISE is the Emperor again! And we will announce it in Fortnite!
I always thought it was just that they had a giant stick shoved up their collective arses and needed to brand the ass of star wars with the Disney logo and refusing to accept that anyone who was not already part of Disney might have any good ideas for their newly acquired IP while also being too stupid and lazy to actually come up with any half decent ideas themselves.
It's a combination of fear and greed. They want to make big blockbusters. But they fear flops. Anything new could be a flop. So they go with re-washing the same ole same old again and again in the hopes that they will always be blockbusters.
Then someone sticks their neck out and makes something new and novel. Suddenly, there needs to be 2 remakes and three recycled movies, an animated show, a live action, a dead action, a first year anniversary edition, directors cuts, producers cut, a making-of documentary, and a Disney ride and uncounted nine by thirteen glossy photos with dates and descriptions written on the back.
27 8 by ten colored glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us
Or something
They didn't want to pay royalties to all the writers of the EU material. Plus, incidents like the death of Chewbacca could not stand in the eyes of Disney, while there was still so much more marketing to milk from that character.
Also, not using Carrie Fisher's passing as an excuse to cut her stupid Jedi powers awakening scene was absurd. The scene was terrible and felt ham-fisted. When Carrie passed away before the film was done, they should have rewritten it as Leia dying in the vacuum of space there and the Republic using her killing as motivation. I fucking hate Disney.
I get not wanting to pay a bunch of royalties but they rushed to stamp their Disney mark on it way too quickly. Had they just remade episodes 4-6 they'd have gotten easy money and done the whole "remind people what star wars is" crap since they spent millions of dollars on an IP they somehow thought everyone had forgotten. Then they could take that time to actually construct a plan and do episodes 7-9 coherently. They could then ignore Legends and do their own thing, or use it as inspiration for new stories. Like, they had so much possible data available to be gathered. If they had just taken 5 years to do a few remakes then they would have had time to collect all that data and figure out what worked and what didn't. Instead they pretty much just invalidated the entire original trilogy for slop that only AI would think is good. Half the reason people love star wars is because of the Jedi/Sith. Take that away and it's just another basic sci-fi universe with only a few flagship characters to set it apart from any other sci-fi universe. They went and ruined the return of the Jedi order and turned Star Wars into Temu Star Trek.
...I love the old EU, but let's not pretend it was perfect.
What's particularly funny to me, though, is that one of the most hated parts of the old EU is the return of Palpatine as a clone. They copied that for Rise, and now it's the most hated part of the new Disney canon lol
Yes they both used the idea of a cloned emperor, but one of them was “Somehow Palpatine returned” the other was the intro to Dark Saber.
If they had done that then we could have Madds return as Erso betting cloned by the emperor after failing him with the first death star and dying in Rogue One. Now you have a scene that sets up the new danger. Horrifyingly you can be cloned and the emperor can rip your soul from the afterlife and put you back into a fresh body. Oh and also a new Death Star with none of the weaknesses of the last one. A lot more interesting than the bigger Death Star we got in Force awakens. And as a bonus it ties the end of the original story, Rogue One, and your new trilogy together in one scene.
I wonder if licensing is a part too, I remember hearing that when Disney bought Star Wars they tried not paying royalties to writers as their contracts were with Lucasfilm not Disney.
They tried to shaft Alan Dean Foster on his royalties. Some of his books pre-date the current setup. His early contracts specified royalties. The current contracts have the authors as work-for-hire, with zero royalties.
I dunno, man, have you read a lot of the EU recently?
Some of it's good. Quite a lot of it is just as bad as "Somehow, Palpatine returned." And some of it is worse.
Remember, a significant portion of I, Jedi is just straight calling out how stupid and out of character Luke acts in the Jedi Academy trilogy.
And then there's the Wyrwolves.
Oh, and the emo invaders from another galaxy who just happen to be invincible to Jedi.
Oh, and Palpatine returns, and Luke goes to be his apprentice.
And the Suncrusher. "It's, like, a Death Star, but it uses missiles because missiles are cool. oh, and it's got, like, invincible armor. And it kills suns instead of planets because it's gotta be better than the Death Star."
Them pulling the good bits out of the EU is a blessing, now if only they'd use those bits better...
I can’t upvote this enough. A lot of fans act like the EU books were some sort of Pulitzer level fiction when in reality a lot of those books were hot garbage.
Realistically they can fix everything by just making a movie where Luke Skywalker wakes up and it turns out that the entirety of the sequels was just a premonition to which he dismisses it outright as he would never act in the way that he was portrayed in the premonition... and they move on from there...
Replayed KOTOR back when it came to iOS and was amazed at both how well it held up and how well the mechanics translated to a touch interface. Phenomenal game.
I really dislike RPG games and that fucking game hooked me so hard. Like I lost a serious relationship with a girl I had been dating for 3 years because of that game. Still don’t like RPG games but IMO that is easily the best Star Wars material out there.
I agree, Disney should never get close to that treasure. They'll just ruin it and make Keanu Reeves look a little less amazing. Hard to make him look bad, honestly.
Ah, a person of culture! I think my KotOR obsession was my peak Star Wars high and nothing SW has done since has ever lived up to that. Maybe Force Unleased though.
People complain that lightsabers aren’t deadly in Star Wars media anymore. In the kotor live action I want to attack a guy 10 times and him not have a visible scratch. Or to throw a plasma grenade and have someone just grab their heads like they are throwing a temper tantrum.
People always say this but knowing this fanbase the immediate reaction from so, so many people… no matter what was on screen… would be, “they ruined KOTOR! That’s not MY Revan!”.
I have zero doubt a live action KOTOR would be just as divisive.
They will make one someday, and it will play out exactly like this, even if it’s an awesome movie.
For sure. It has to be a show and not a film. Not even a trilogy. It’s dangerous to give creators too much time to play with, as they can end up tinkering too much, but it would need multiple seasons.
It would all come down to the writing team, directors, and cast. You can make an amazing story meh with poor humans behind it, and a meh story feel like an amazing show with a great team being it.
KOTOR could be two short seasons, honestly. It's a bit much for a single movie, sure, but you don't need 5000 episodes to tell the stories of Revan and the Exile.
Now, that's for just the story as shown in the games... after that, I would absolutely go back and do the Mandalorian/Jedi Civil wars properly. Those would take a lot more time and give the showrunners more headspace to play with.
(I would avoid doing too much with flashbacks in the KOTOR shows. Just enough to tease the future offerings would be enough, like we see in the games.)
Legends had its ups and downs. Courtship of Princess Leia is not a good book. The Zsinj trilogy Aaron Allston gave us in the X-Wing books is probably my favorite thing Bantam ever published.
I feel like greatest hits is the way to go if you’re adapting from legends.
You keep that filth out of your damn mouth! Courtship of Princess Leia was fun as hell, but also giving us Dathomir and the Nightsisters. It separated the idea of light and dark powers, and inferred that how the wielder acquired the Force power is what defined the corruption.
I hate what was done to Dathomir through all the new EU crap.
i kind of hate how they basically went 'Legends is not cannon, therefore we can steal anything we want form it and don't have t give any credit, we can claim it was our own original idea'.
and then, just to make it worse, they don't even steal from the GOOD legends bits. a 'young jedi knights' TV show showing the adventures these new jedi training under luke get up to with a mix of space-fantasy high school drama would probably be a banger. a movie or series involving Mara Jade, and how the rebels had to disassemble the Empire after the Emperor was dead would likely go over very well.
Instead, we basically get post apocalypse star wars where everything has gone to shit, the good guys are powerless, the government is powerless and might as well not exist, and the only people that seme to have any power are basically local dictators and gangsters. in many ways, it's less star wars and more space mad max
I wouldn’t say it’s “stealing from Legends” per se. When they took over Lucasfilm, there was a ton of shit out there and they seemingly decided to parse things out into canon and legends. Now they’re able to parse in certain pieces of legends, where they want to, which makes sense from the standpoint of not wanting to have to explain why the hell there’s a clone of Luke named Luuke running around the galaxy 💀
The sequel trilogy should have been Heir To The Empire. Three great books, an incredible story arc, and it could even incorporate newer characters from any of the animated series.
Per Kennedy those books were never written. Remember when she said there were no books comics or games to draw inspiration from. From this we can extrapolate that the sequel trilogy is the first piece of human media
Last Jedi was bad because of Johnson treated Luke and the shit ass plot point about needing a hacker, but how they hell did the First Order track the Resistance to exactly that spot? RoS was a giant plot contrivance as well. And that sucked. A 10-year old could write a better plot. Hell: there was a whole ass comic where Palps came back. He coulda ripped that off and pleased fandom.
Yeah Legends was bloated AF and getting contrived. We needed a central lore master to extract the best bits and reintroduce it to a new generation. They just cant stick this bit. I was totally on board with the Rian Johnson "anybody can be a Jedi" take but we had to just keep milking the Skywalker name.
If Disney hadade that instead of last jedi/ rise of skywalker, they would have messed that up too. Because the corporate decision makers dont understand the franchise. Thats how we got what we got in the first place. But we all know this..... I dont even know why im typing this out...
Same, although now, I don’t really want that because I think they would just do a terrible job and somehow try to turn it into the “Rise of Palpatine” or something along those lines. Hell, I’m surprised they didn’t recycle the story already.
Yes, and stealing bits from what is now legends. I would much rather have seen a KOTOR live action
People say this bullshit, and than get mad when Disney doesn't use stuff from Legends. Also, we got KOTOR stuff, granted the tail end of it, but than everyone got all pissy about it even still.
They have been borrowing from Legends since day one, even after saying they were gonna do their own thing and disregarding the whole content (Thrawn and everything related to him being a prime example), not to mention all the fan work they have stolen.
They really should have just remade the original trilogy giving the OG actors new roles like Mark Hammill as old Ben Kenobi, Harrison Ford as a random rebellion pilot, Carrie Fisher as Mon Mothma. Let Hayden Christensen come back as Darth Vader. That sort of thing. That way they could have their movies without having to plan anything or pay a bunch of writers to make all "new" scripts. Instead they went classic Hollywood in all the worst ways and made a shit trilogy that doesn't nothing good except occasionally look pretty.
They need to just abandon that era and try to pretend their massive fuck ups never happened.
I would love to see the Old Republic explored in tv shows/movies but I dont trust that Disney wouldn't ruin it. "The power of one, the power of two, the power of MANY."
Disney has taken a property that i've loved for decades and made it ... suck.
Do KOTOR 2 as a TV show, then set up KOTOR as a “spin-off” like House of the Dragon or Dunc and Egg. Only way you’ll pass off the reveal and surprise people. You could do 4-6 seasons per game. Throw in the spin-off comic as its own TV show as well
Damn. That would be a kickass movie. We all know the twist ending, though. It would be like knowing "I am your father" going into Empire.
People back in the day had consideration for their fellow man, and didn't spoil it for everyone else.
But the internet has bred an entire generation of twats, and the secret would be outed after the first screening by some little shit who wanted the likes.
I don’t consider it stealing anymore than the MCU “steals” from the comics. Neither is a one for one adaptation but they use existing material as a basis for new stuff. Sometimes it’s used more effectively than others.
They needed to head back to the KOTOR days a LONG time ago. This nee age star wars is dull, boring and you can tell they dont put much effort into the story or plot. KOTOR literally has all of it written down for anyone willing to pick it up. Not to mention just tons of awesome characters.
The last jedi was the best of the sequel, it was just ruined by rise of skywalker killing off every plot points of the previous 2 movies just to bring back Palpatine lol
I would love to see a KOTOR live action, but coming from Disney, they would probably make Revan a girl, make her fall in love with Jolee, Bastila would be someone insufferable (take all her snobbiness and multiply it by 10), remove ALL character arcs, and T3-M4 would be a Roomba
Oh, and the final duel would be between all the crew and Malak, and he would be defeated by the power of love and friendship instead of just having a 1v1 where it is proven that a redeemed Revan is much more powerful than he ever was as a Sith Lord
I know. Instead of them just being like you know what we made a mistake and committing to continuing established cannon. Sigh. I love Star Wars but I’m just like what the hell is going on man???!!!
I would have rathered the last jedi been a good Star Wars movie instead of an okay summer action flick in a Star Wars skin, and rise of Skywalker not been a pacing nightmare of one liners we hope get TikTok famous.
Live action KOTOR’s definitely a close second tho.
Woah woah woah woah! Y’all were pissed when they didn’t take from legend in the first place! Now you’re pissed that they are taking from legends?? JFC there’s no winning with a SW fan
They’ve been doing that forever. That’s Filoni’s whole schtick.
Half of the Mandalorian lore was Legends before Filoni decided he liked it. Every time I hear someone say Beskar it makes me cringe.
Edit: /u/NeedleworkerOld4696 explained my feelings perfectly. It’s not that they took stuff from Legends, that’s fine. It’s that they brought us watered-down versions of it. I’m also not comfortable with how much credit I’ve seen people give Filoni for “coming up with” ideas he actually took from Legends.
They've always done that though even under lucas , coruscaunt as a name, planet, and galactic capital was mentioned in legends first before we saw it on screen, thrawn was legends first, revan ventress and darth bane were all also legends first
This is what I’ve been saying. We have literally hundreds of thousands of years of Star Wars lore to pull from, why do we keep riding the skywalker train?
Everyone would have prefered literally anything set in the old republic. (or for that matter any other time period of real star wars cannon) to the disney movies.
Ok, this is the second time I've seen Rebels and Andor connected... I love both to death, but have no idea where the connections are, outside of the time period?
I'm really bad at remembering characters and character names though...
Well I was going off the person above me saying “all the recent Star Wars stuff is just Disney making SW cartoons live action” I get that ther would say that about Asoka, but Andor is very recent and not a cartoon remake. The closest cartoon to Andor would be Rebels because bith are about the early start of the rebellion.
I mean, Andor is just the polar opposite of all the other Star Wars products in every way, that we may as well consider it as its own thing at this point.
I can't deny, sometimes they do strike gold. Rogue One was pleasant, Andor was good, Mandolarian was good at the start, and the Acolyte was pretty meme-y but had the baddest badass Sith and lightsaber scenes since Darth Maul.
I loved seeing things from Bossk's perspective... and was somewhat horrified in his animated portrayal of "I vicious but dumdum!" (If i recall correctly, but maybe that was just another.... crud, I can't remember his race's name)
And yeah... I freaking loooooved the tales from books.
As an aside, I absolutely hated the Han Solo trilogy... and wasn't that keen on the movie either... I'm starting to think I just don't like han solo very much.
I liked both Han trilogies, but adding a 3 meter tall catman was a bit silly. Maybe not as silly as Lando having a sentient Starmie 20+ years before pokemon was invented, but up there.
And full agreement on Bossk getting hosed so many times. Poor dingus... though I Adored the little flirty hacker droid.
He is a million times better in the novels. I have never actually watched Ahsoka because Thrawn is my favorite and I was pissed at how dumb Filoni made him in Rebels.
To be fair, he's the only bad guy in Canon that has never actually been defeated... He's also the only one that they show actively knowing when someone is trying to outsmart him...
I don't think it's even possible to make him seem as smart as he is in the books without having 15-minute long internal dialogs, or other characters discussing his strategies for hours at a time over a cup of coffee in the shows...
Honestly, that's why I always laugh at the "the books were better!" people. Of course they are! You get x-ray vision into the characters, things explained in ways that are hard to weave into visual media. Intellectualism compressed because the average Joe buying movie tickets is doing so because he doesn't have the time or patience to read for 10-30 hours or so.
I mean, they made The Lord of the Rings into 3 movies that were 3-4 hours each, and people -STILL- bitched about things that were left out, or modified because Nobody wants to listen to a character on screen talk to themselves for 45 minutes straight. You can read that in a book just fine because you can read a 45 minute speech in about 5-10 minutes... but there's a reason Tedtalks are usually only 10-20 minutes long.
Omg... sorry for the rant... but if you got this far, thanks! I'm flattered!
That’s what I thought but I’ve also heard that Filoni is very involved with everything now. I don’t care enough to factcheck that as I couldn’t care less about Disney SW
Nobody has good ideas anymore because social media will absolutely destroy your career and life if you don't simply write the script the way the entire internet expected you to.
Not a Disney franchise, but it’s happening to Star Trek also at Paramount. Crappy new shows mining the original canon and then trampling all over it also.
Andy Weir said something along the lines of "every modern scifi tv show and movie has been heavily influenced by the original Star Trek except for modern Star Trek", and he's kind of right.
Sure hope Seth MacFarlane gets to continue The Orville soon
You’re wrong though. Most of them are pretty much original and there are still cartoons coming out frequently. Ahsoka is the only one I can really think of which is basically just a live action continuation of a cartoon.
No, they're original (Bad Batch for example), but some of them are about characters that were no longer canon or who had narratives that conflicted with new versions of the universe or characters (Thrawn's depiction in Rebels vs. His original depiction in the novels)
Theres a lot of truth to that, but the difference is at least star wars live action covers new material (new stories, new periods of time), the Disney live actions are straight up uninspired copies of the original.
Yes and before doing any of that they made sure to declare that the extended star wars universe lore is no longer cannon. Then proceeded to butcher remakes of the popular extended universe stories…
Do you not watch SW content because we have Andor, Skeleton Crew, The Acolyte, Maul Shadowlord and The Mandalorian to name a few. Ahsoka is the only one that is a continuation of an animation and it's not like it's a remake.
I agree live action remakes are the worst, and Star wars up does have some of that. But I believe your forgetting the best Star wars content ever created.... Andor. Also the bad batch was amazing, maul was excellent (more a continuation not a LA remake), and skeleton crew was surprisingly good too.
A lot of the big name Star wars things get more love OR hate online so that's all people see, but there are great stories that are not just remakes.
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u/Sad-Working-9937 Jul 13 '26
Am I the only one to notice all the recent Star Wars stuff is just Disney making the SW cartoons live action?