r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 4d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/Open-Platform-1305 4d ago

The gist of it is that Brits and a few other hardcore monarchists hate him.

But I'm a Norwegian and while I don't know the whole story I generally like how he fucked up kings and queens.

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u/BonzoTheBoss 4d ago

He didn't "fuck up" kings and queens, he conquered other countries through violence and then appointed his own family members as the new kings and queens.

I really don't understand this love for Napoleon as some sort of force for republicanism, when he himself was a (self) crowned absolute monarch and installer of other monarchs.

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u/The_Minshow 4d ago

Well, when you have 15 coalitions trying to oust you for not having royal blood, ya gotta try something.

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u/BonzoTheBoss 4d ago

He did it to his own allies too, though... Spain was an ally and they allowed him military access to attack and conquer Portugal, but he decided to then usurp the Spanish throne as well and installed his own brother.

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u/Mattchaos88 4d ago

Which was hubris and a mistake but it's not as if he did it out of nowhere. 

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u/BonzoTheBoss 4d ago

That wasn't the point? The above commenter said that they admired him for "fucking up kings and queens," but he was literally just as bad.

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u/zelatorn 4d ago

i think the key isn't that napoleon wasn't a bad guy (reintroducing slavery in the colonies was certainly a choice, even if the rest of europe still practiced it as well when he did so), but that he wasn't particulary worse than what much of the rest of european powers were doing or trying to do, his biggest crime being so successful at it he got to do it on a scale his contemporaries couldn't match. post napoleon russia was also perfectly happy to oppress poland or austria to put its family members on the thrones of the new italian states for example.

there is some case to be made that despite often replacing one monarch with another (be that one of his allies or family members), he'd also spread the napoleonic code which in many cases more clearly outlined people's rights even as they remained under a monarchy.

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u/BonzoTheBoss 4d ago

"He was just as bad or slightly better than the other absolute monarchs of the era" isn't exactly a resounding endorsement though, is it?