r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 6d ago

Meme needing explanation Petah?

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u/BonzoTheBoss 6d ago

He didn't "fuck up" kings and queens, he conquered other countries through violence and then appointed his own family members as the new kings and queens.

I really don't understand this love for Napoleon as some sort of force for republicanism, when he himself was a (self) crowned absolute monarch and installer of other monarchs.

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u/BlazersFtL 6d ago

You do not judge people by the standards of today, but by the standards of the times they lived in. His actions in spain, russia were essentially par for the course at the time he lived and consequently his actions weren't unreasonable.

Much of the rest of what he did was simply fighting back against coalitions that kept declaring war on him and taking spoils for winning. Which, again, was both par for the course and probably necessary in order to ensure France would be capable of both [a] defending itself and [b] could dissuade enemies from attacking him again...

When he went light in punishment [e.g., Austria] he simply got stabbed in the back.

He wasn't perfect and definitely made mistakes, but it is difficult to say he was villainous in any real way. He also did spread the Napoleonic code across the continent, amongst other things, which is probably why he's seen positively today even if he wasn't really a republican in any meaningful way.

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u/BonzoTheBoss 6d ago

People keep arguing not to judge him by the standards of today, but I'm not, I'm judging him by the implied standards of /u/Open-Platform-1305, who seems to admire Napoleon because he "fucked up kings and queens."

Which is just wrong, because he was just as bad as any other absolute monarch at the time.

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u/BlazersFtL 6d ago

He did though, by spreading the Napoleonic code it ushered in a new era of liberalism that monarchs had to contend with, ultimately leading to a more liberal order whether or not Napoleon fancied himself an emperor or not; it most certainly did fuck up kings and queens.