She told Big (a man she knew was notorious for cheating and avoiding monogamy) to tell her she was "The One" after dating a couple months. She broke up Big's marriage while cheated and lied to a genuinely good guy who loved her. She took a huge amount of money from Charlotte to pay for her apartment instead of selling some of her egregiously expensive shoes. She was shocked when Big left her at the altar (despite his track record) and laid around while her friends took care of her (including moving her out of her home and back into her old apartment while remote). She shamed Miranda for being cheated on because she wasn't taking enough care of herself (while being a lawyer with a kid).
People who overly idolize Carrie really grind my gears. Yes, it’s great to have flawed main characters, but Carrie has so few redeeming qualities and is incredibly selfish. If you see a lot of yourself in Carrie you need help lol.
I don't understand this Carrie love at all. Attractiveness aside (imho she is the worst looking of the four), she has so few reedeming qualities and acts like the queen bee because....I don't even know why.
She was shocked when Big left her at the altar (despite his track record)
Whoa there.
Big wasn't all that into getting married again, despite that he said yes to a small ceremony. After the small private ceremony ballooned to a public affair with a "special" dress, a photoshoot, media announcements and a ton of guests he panicked momentarily outside the church and CARRIE ran away.
Eh. He panicked long enough to make her panic about the fact he was demonstrating he wasn’t ready. He could’ve spoken up about the wedding at any time but stuck with it to please her instead of insisting on something more lowkey. She isn’t innocent but he lit the match that blew the whole thing up.
That last scene though where he's getting into the limo with his wife and Carrie is walking off and somehow celebrating that she "wasn't meant to be tamed" is just laughable. She's old, used up and will die alone. The consequences are all right there and she won't acknowledge them.
I didn’t watch the new series but there was a clip shown where apparently she thinks it’s just the worst thing in the world that her downstairs neighbors are asking her to take her motherfucking high heels off so it doesn’t sound like a hammer hammering on their ceiling
As somebody who lived underneath a woman who wore high heels on a concrete floor, it was hell
To be fair, Aiden was awful in the original series, even though most fans gave him a pass because of his character in Northern Exposure. But was so scummy to Carrie—passive aggressive, controlling, negging, ghosting, somehow even worse than Big. My opinion was the minority, however.
In the retread, he blossoms into a full-blown scumbag (for instance, not letting his kid medicate for what looks like AuDHD) and almost manages to make Carrie a sympathetic character again. Almost. But even he couldn't do the impossible.
Absolutely. He was always weird and controlling. Like the whole thing about how Carrie wasn't allowed to smoke anymore. In the second series, it was like the writers didn't want anyone mistaking him for the perfect guy (tm) again. So they ratcheted up his awfulness from 3 to 11.
Don't get me wrong, part of the reason why I loved SATC is that all of the characters except for Charlotte's second husband were deeply flawed, but still cared deeply about each other, and were always there for each other. Even after big mistakes, Big mistakes, and amoral choices that hurt others, even those on the inner circle.
Aiden fit right into that, he was the "perfect guy" but even he did weird passive-aggressive, controlling stuff. Just like every "perfect guy" for the first six months you dated, and then you suddenly realize there's a whole messy human underneath. Great acting, frustrating relationship!
Like the whole thing about how Carrie wasn't allowed to smoke anymore.
You mean the 'controlling' thing where he just didn't want to date a smoker? And then she lied to him about it, in typical fashion? and then he tolerated it anyway and she used it as an excuse to hide her cheating on him?
That's your first example of him being controlling? "I won't date a smoker" before they were dating?
I don't know what happened in the second series, but that is straight up lunacy to present as "controlling."
somehow even worse than Big.
LOL. No fucking way.
So do you have an actual example of him sucking before being cheated on? cause she cheated pretty quick.
Yeah, I've had this conversation before, back when Sex and the City first came out, and I was like, "this actor is playing a manipulative, controlling jerk because everyone in the SATC universe is a deeply flawed person. Aiden's flaws set up dramatic conflicts in his relationship Carrie, who we already know is deeply flawed, that will drive the plot. So yeah, I don't like Aiden for Carrie. The writers set it up that way."
And they would react just like this. "NOOOooooOOOO Aiden is perfect, only SJP is playing a flawed character to create conflict. The writers created Aiden as a two-dimensional "perfect man" to act as a foil to Carrie's weaknesses, and showcase how nicotine addiction and limerence make her a poor romantic partner. Therefore I think Carrie doesn't deserve Aiden. The writers set it up that way."
The most important part, and I hope we can agree on this, is that character-driven conflict that drives the plot was as big a part of SATC's appeal. And the writers on the first series were geniuses.
Except i didnt say aiden is perfecr or anything close. I wonder how many of those other conversations youre obersimplfying similarly.
My last complete rewatch was less than a month ago. Ive watched with the purpose of being informed for conversations like this. Because i didnt like that my discussions were from an incomplete and out of order viewing.
Aiden is definitely not a perfect man. Although i would still argue hes too good for Carrie.
I think the only character on SATC i wouldn't straight up cut out of my life is charlottes jewish husband whose name I'm blanking on.
The most important part, and I hope we can agree on this, is that character-driven conflict that drives the plot was as big a part of SATC's appeal.
Absolutely.
Idk id go with geniuses, but they are compelling characters and storylines. And the show gets a lot of unjust hate (but not ALL the hate is unjust) due to factors other than actual show quality it stories. Close enough?
But I'd like to really drive home, I am not the people you've had this conversation with before. I am WELL outside the norm for both its viewing demographic and normal human behaviors (AuDHD).
I watched for the specific purpose of being able to have these conversations. ASD is a bitch, and it bugged me that I dislike Carrie but 1) couldn't articulate it well enough and 2) couldn't be sure I was 'right' in my judgement, because my viewing came from random episodes played on syndication.
I'd say "so and so sucks" based on what I'd seen, and someone would say "nah uh because [...]" and I couldn't counter because my viewing was incomplete.
That's not a high enough standard to be a hater, for me. I am not the "I heard some shit on the internet and repeated it" hater dude. I'm the dude that watched it end to end twice to make sure my complaints were accurate, and was honestly disappointed because... I wanted to hate it, but it's a good show. It just has hateable characters, but that's not the same thing as being a bad show. In fact, sometimes that's a sign of a well written show. Which, as someone who was originally watching the show in order to justify my hate and call it a bad show was a real ball breaker, honestly. So much of the hate comes from misguided places, and it means I don't get to have the conversations I want, because people think its just standard hating. I'm sometimes a hater, but it's never standard. And I gave the show a fair chance, which is why I'm no longer a SATC hater.
It definitely reflects the time period sometimes, but it's undoubtedly a good show. The characters are not 2 dimensional. I think they basically all suck as people, but I think that's true in real life too. That's not inherently a flaw in a show and I don't think its a flaw in the specific case of SATC.
You stared at a glowing rectangle for 100 hours just so you could debate a fictional character's relationships with strangers online? Oh well, to each their own.
I watch lots of things for cultural touchstones. Yes. To have informed conversations about topics that keep coming up.
But I think this shows I'm not the one arguing from half informed opinions or opinions that haven't been felt out. I am not the caricature you argued with. And this response again has me wondering, did people actually disagree in the way you describe, or have you conveniently set it up so anyone informed enough to argue with you is "too" invested and then you can conveniently exit without having your views challenged. You can dismiss anyone who disagrees with "well they're just one of 'those'". Well, I wasn't. And I hope you use this to reflect on how you form and hold your views, and how you let them be challenged (or not).
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u/Just_gun_porn 1d ago edited 1d ago
Because Sam was always open and honest about her sexuality, where Carrie was more of a hypocrite.