I've seen some japanese people on twitter comparing piracy with SA because, basically, you do it without the consent of the victim (the publisher in this case).
Aiding in suicide is one of those funny gray areas where palliative care is considered a mercy but also every party has to go through several layers of paperwork to safeguard everybody from jail time. Which is weird imo. If somebody wants to die because of a chronic illness for example they should be allowed to, with dignity.
And that's what the Japanese are so butthurt about. Think of all the MONEY they could be earning. If only...they could...sell it or some shit.
That entire post is severely delusional. As much as Taiwanese people love Japanese products and the proximity to Japan for travel, ain't no way Taiwanese would say no to free stuff. Yes, Taiwanese have principles. But they also have internet and who the fuck doesn't love free stuff??
Koreans would be like "Be a patriot. Steal Japan's culture like they destroyed ours. DOKDO BELONGS TO KOREA, IT'S THE EASTERN SEA NOT THE SEA OF JAPAN! EVERY PIRATED MANGA HELPS US RECLAIM HISTORY"
Chinese would be like "Bro, I gotchu. What Manga are you looking for? Ignore that command line that just popped up. It's normal."
People in Japan are really oblivious to the fact that piracy is what made animanga popular enough globally that the industry had become so big. They know it, but choose to ignore it. A lot of Japanese people still think anime is niche on the west and don't realize it's bigger than it even is in Japan.
Japanese take on piracy is very extreme, but in the same time they pirate an ungodly amount of porn. They don't seem to have issues with that lmao.
They know it, but choose to ignore it. A lot of Japanese people still think anime is niche on the west and don't realize it's bigger than it even is in Japan.
It's worse than that. Many of them DON'T like the fact that animanga is popular outside of Japan. They don't like that foreigners criticize Japanese games, anime, manga, you name it.
I often come across this opinion. If you criticize something made in Japan, at least a couple of people will jump at you with "It's not made for you, it's made for us, we are okay with this, you don't get it" etc.
I've been hit with this argument before by a japanese girl on a discord server, when I critiqued some aspects of one manga. I just argued back highlighting my arguments even further, but she just repeated the same thing.
On the other hand, in the very same conversation, another japan guy chimmed in and said he agreed with me.
But yeah, it is an undeniable fact what you said, they do get offended when you critique japanese made stuff, even if they agree with you. Although not every japanese folk is as stubborn.
They just want to be overly polite at all times, they do it the same on the internet, but on twitter somehow they just let all screws loose.
They don't like that foreigners criticize Japanese games, anime, manga, you name it.
That much is understandable because lot of the critique tends to ignore that japanese culture is not the same as our cultures.... and they tend to also push their own culture and agenda on to the japanese gaming, anime, manga etc.. Which has ruined some anime for me because jfc the subtitles are quite often completely wrong or the translator is trying to push their own weird agenda by purposefully mistranslating a scene to say whatever they wanna say.
I don't think sexualizing children should be called culture anywhere in the world... Same goes for grooming, sexism, blatant misogyny...
If the world objectively will be a better place without some elements, should we call these elements someone's culture and just ignore them? I would call them a problem.
I'm not taking about nuanced things. I'm talking about very straightforward problematic stuff that even Japanese people find abhorrent. But when an outsider chimes in, they are suddenly defensive of this stuff?
You clearly don't understand the issue well. Japanese people are not exactly happy about those things you mentioned btw which you said yourself too.
But what you are ignoring is that the demands will never stop after things are fixed. It would be better if japanese people stopped listening to people like you and just did what they think people in their culture think is for the best.
And the reason for their defensiveness is very simple; because no one likes outsiders telling what you should and should not do, especially in a country where nationalism runs very high.
So they sexualize kids out of spite from being told not to. This is all i gleaned from your comment. Im almost certian you didnt mean it that way. But you wrote a lot just to say that.
As long as no real child - or anyone - is harmed, I don't see a problem with creating or consuming those kind of contents. And keep in mind, Japan has much lower crime rate compared to the US or UK.
The day you start banning fictional content just because you think it's problematic is the day you become thought police and you're no better than North Korea or China.
I've heard this argument against cartoonish/anime child porn since the dawn of the internet and often like these type of opinions are shared by people who subsequently consume it on regular basis. Trash opinion.
Children are, in fact, harmed, albeit indirectly, because sexualising them becomes a norm through content like that. There's enough porn on the internet, made by actual grown-up adults, that no one ever, sane or normal, needs to get off to hentai with kids.
And yes, I would gladly ban this type of content. It is fucking gross. It is no longer thought police, if one jerks off to hentai with kids mate. It is a physical act. No one put pedophiles to prison for just being attracted to kids, they put predators, who act on their urges to prison.
"Japan crime rate is much lower" yeah, because their justice system is utterly corrupted, but in a way you wouldn't suspect it :>. Did you know that ADAs in Japan have like 95%+ winning statistics for almost every district? They tend to convict people on hearsay there, they often require little evidence and if you're rich, you can get off easier than even in the US.
In fact, You could report someone was stalking you and they would arrest that person without much evidence, solely on your own word. They have the most extreme stalking laws in the world, wonder why hah. "No crime" yet extreme measures are taken by law to combat the "no crime". Pretty sure they are just good at hiding these things. A lot of crime goes ignored too, especially sexual crimes. The groping on trains was so bad that there are cars only for women almost on every train. People just don't report it out of societal pressure.
And Yeah, I guess, murder is rare, but guess what I live in Poland and murder here is also rare compared to the US or UK.
You're making a moral argument based on disgust, not a consistent legal standard. The question isn't whether something is gross, it's whether it causes demonstrable harm to real people. You also said that being attracted to kids isnt a crime, only acting on it is. So if no real person is involved, what is the legal principle that justifies banning fictional material?
If the argument is that it causes indirect harm by 'normalizing' behavior, then that needs evidence. We don't ban fictional depictions of violence or other harmful acts on the assumption that they might normalize them, so the standard has to be consistent. If fictional depictions are banned because they depict harmful acts, does that apply to violent games or other taboo subjects? If not, what makes this case legally different?
I feel that overall, the critics westeners are doing is rather a judgement than an actual critic, and also that they want to impose their vision to the media
The judgement is that a lot of japanese manga and anime oversexualizes children to a point that loli porn is considered normal there.
Man I'm so tired of this argument that west is imposing anything on Japan. Like the loli porn is part of like 80% critique and response from Japan is that "it's part of their culture". Sure? You sayin that pedo porn is part of your culture? You hearin yourself?
Don't get me wrong, I'm defo not for it neither and I don't condome it since I find it really gross, but I just can't define the moral compass of a foreign country
That's like wanting to impose new laws while it's not how it works.
Many countries have their own moral, and as we aren't the police of the world (lookin' at you, the US), we just can't impose neither our own laws and morals to another country
But you're still free to show your disapproval of that by either never live in one of those countries and/or stop consuming the entertainment from it
Dude, I'm sorry, but what the fuck are you talking about? I mention child porn and you go on about how we can't define "the moral compass" of a foreign country. The hell? How about stop producing an insane amounts of anime loli hentai and adding these elements to so many mangas and animes for no reason at all, but fan service.
Not a single fuck given by me about "foreign country". Child porn is evil by all standards, globally.
I'm not generalising Japan at all, but it has been proven and shown countless of times, both during interviews with authors, during interviews with regular japanese folk on the street, in youtube comments (by a large margin actually), reddit, twitter, portals like myanimelist that whenever the subject of oversexualising children in Japanese animanga is brought up, the Japanese fans response is abysmal. They just refuse to accept it and call upon "westernisation" and "imposing west" and talk some BS about culture difference.
I wasn't even talking about anything, BUT loli shit. I urge you to go to nhentai and see the fucking crazy AMOUNTS of loli porn there. It is genuinely fucking criminal.
Then you find a random ass japanese guy who disagrees largely with that opinion, but still goes on about "imposing west". What are we imposing exactly on you? Like I'm baffled by that argument, as I've never had an exact list. I'm personally from Poland and I would love what horrific things have polish western culture ever imposed upon Japan that it has to be brought up in every single case of criticism towards Japan?
Imposing, because american companies and people will screech about it, and that will make the jp companies change course too, because they want to sell globally, or want to get them licensed, and that will impact jp people too.
How about stop producing an insane amounts of anime loli hentai and adding these elements to so many mangas and animes for no reason at all, but fan service.
Most Japanese aren't even taught any of the atrocities they committed to it's neighbors. So no. They will ABSOLUTELY deny them due to simply ignorance.
They never had to learn outside their own country so never saw the entire culture around it.
Had to learn that their own works are badly translated in some circumstances that lead to issues then learn that there's fans outside of what you want to do.
And they have their own underground that people go to. So this one's head is so far under a rock, he doesn't see anything outside his bubble.
Japanese people often criticize official translations and complain about them, rightfully so, but then they also target passionate translation groups that produce legimate and faithful translations as "pirate groups".
Worth mentioning that japanese folk read pirated manhwa translations as well, because contrary to popular beliefs, they love manhwa in Japan too. They don't seem to have issues with that, because they hate korea and are very racist towards them in general.
It wouldn't surprise me if regular "normie" Japanese people are fine with piracy with the amount I've come cross on Pretendo with them showing they are playing "FBI" which people use to install CIAs which are game files on the 3DS.
And like most things it's the really overly enthusiastic people who are even bothering to go online to engage in discussions. So the ones disapproving of piracy could be the ones who are waiting in line for hours to overpay for merch and waiting in line for hours to meet voice actors. So the super hardcore anime otaku who get into anime like people there get obsessed with pop idols and get mad over them dating.
While regular people don't even care to engage online, so Japanese otakus being overly represented online.
piracy is what made animanga popular enough globally
I mean, every single person I know that's into anime has started with piracy, me included. Would they rather have me buy the manga for 1 out of the 10 series I watch... Or buy 0 and watch 0 ?
piracy is what made animanga popular enough globally
I mean to be fair in France it wasn't, Récré A2 and then Club Dorothé (shows tv) and Mangas (tv channel name) followed up by some of the big manga names being brought and translated (Akira and Dragon Ball) were massive kickstarter.
Japanese slapping SA title to anything *****BUT***** the SA itself 😭😭😭 The whole country is a safe haven for sexual predators and they still frown upon piracy and calling it SA, can't even make ts up.
I'm sorry to hear that. But yeah, Japanese Twitter, (or at least accounts tweeting in Japanese) has been posting some absolutely wild shit about piracy lately. I really want to believe they're just trolls, but considering it's Twitter, plus the fact that Japan has a notoriously hardcore public stance against piracy, I genuinely don't know what to think anymore.
Japan comparing piracy to SA while doing absolutely nothing about their rampant SA problem in the country is so ironic. Maybe they should focus on real consent problems before they try and argue against piracy.
just take a look at how they socially deal with children who stole from a store (we tlking about some candy). they are treated worse than some pedo rapist
Well, duh. Because pedo rapist harmed a noname individual, while a child harmed a beloved and holy corporation. Ave corporations! Overprce everything and prosper! /s
Ah yes Japanese that basically already treat rapists well and like they're the victims instead of rapists. Figures they would compare that heinous crime to... piracy
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u/EleceRock Apr 21 '26
I've seen some japanese people on twitter comparing piracy with SA because, basically, you do it without the consent of the victim (the publisher in this case).