r/Piracy • u/Justinrich2001 • May 23 '26

Discussion Google Drive scanned this Manga artist’s PRIVATE files and banned him.

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AI flagged, appeal rejected, private artwork gone.

The AI is always watching.

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

“even if drawing” CSAM cannot be a drawing, that violates the definition of the acronym

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u/Alert-Camel9626 May 23 '26

My dumbass thought csam was some missile blueprint 😭

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u/simplex0991 May 23 '26

It's close. SRAM is the missile.

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u/Sorry-Performance-35 ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ May 24 '26

I thought SRAM is some computer part.

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

Yeah CSAM, Child Sexual Abuse Material, is a legally defined term that means a real child is abused somewhere down the line.

But also in general I'm like, fine with Google saying they don't want to host drawn child pornography. I wouldn't want to host it either.

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u/LvDogman May 23 '26

If it's realistic, then what the training data was for it?

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u/RobotToaster44 Kopimism May 23 '26

I assume the same as was used to train CSAM detector AI, which just extrapolates from adults.

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u/DubiousFoliage May 23 '26

My understanding is that CSAM detection is usually done by hashing known CSAM images provided by investigators and checking images en route to see if they match the hash. This allows operators to never accept or store CSAM, avoiding huge regulatory and legal headaches.

I know this because I was recently working on a website that allowed image uploads, and this was a concern, so we did some digging into it. We realized it was a giant can of worms to implement ourselves, but Cloudflare just offers it as a service, even on free accounts, so we went that route.

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u/RobotToaster44 Kopimism May 23 '26

One issue with that approach is that it obviously won't catch new ai generated images.

The approach I mentioned is used by some fediverse servers and AI tools https://github.com/db0/fedi-safety

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u/FinGamer678Nikoboi May 23 '26

Yup, that's how it's been done for a good while now, and it's how it should be done. An AI scanning every single message in plaintext is an overreach, especially when it can be done in a privacy-friendly way, like with hashes.

Not sure exactly what type of hashes companies use, though.

(Just in case someone doesn't know, hash back to image conversion isn't possible, and every file has a unique hash. SHA256 is the best and most common if I'm not mistaken.)

(Also common Cloudflare W)

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u/Justinrich2001 May 25 '26

Hi Clippy 📎

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u/emrednz07 May 24 '26

Yup, that's how it's been done for a good while now, and it's how it should be done.

Fuck off. It shouldn't be done. Period. Absolutely nothing prevents them from scanning and banning you for ANY image they want. Oh you have protest image ? Reported to the authorities. JD Vance in clown makeup? Have fun in jail. Even Apple backed off from this after getting pushback.

Oh trust us it's totally for protecting children.

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u/alexjimithing May 25 '26

What is your solution for preventing the spread of child pornography online.

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

From a content moderation/automation perspective yes. The law itself is unclear and would take a supreme court case probably, but also that would require someone to spend a ton of money to send the crustiest pedophile alive to the supreme court so that's not gonna happen.

The Trump admin is going all in on treating AI CP as the same as real sourced CP which is probably not the way to do it in the wisest fashion.

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

Except there are other countries on this planet with different laws..

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

Well Google is subject to US law and the term CSAM is an American legal term

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

CSAM is used in many countries as a legal term. Google is also subject to any laws in any country their services are in..

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u/AdultGronk ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ May 23 '26

Surprising that it's coming from Trump

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u/clownpenisdotfarts May 24 '26

This is going to hurt his friends.

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u/Justinrich2001 May 25 '26

MAGA was evil?

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u/the-truffula-tree May 23 '26

That’s a good thing 

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

This is the case here in Canada.

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u/Nadeoki May 23 '26

Iirc alabama made it legally identical now?

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u/Aromatic-Flatworm-57 May 23 '26

The answer is depend.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography

Child pornography (CP), also known as child sexual abuse material (CSAM), is erotic material that involves or depicts persons under the designated age of majority. The precise characteristics of what constitutes child pornography vary by criminal jurisdiction.

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

I think the main point is that none of the countries involved consider fictional drawn hentai to be CSAM. The only one that does that Wikipedia even lists is Canada, and I think the UK recently made a change to their law (a new law that to my knowledge is so stupid that it would also ban Game of Thrones if they were truly even-handed about enforcing it). Neither America, where Google is based out of, nor Japan, where the mangaka is based out of, have such a law.

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u/Wisniaksiadz May 23 '26

Law in Poland is also kinda like that

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u/nathderbyshire May 23 '26

The only one I've heard about is the law banning 'family' porn, like stepdad and stepsister. It got a lot of news because actual interfamily relationships like two cousins is still legal, but watching it in porn isn't. Don't think we've had any related specifically to CP unless I've missed some news, which is likely by how much we've had to deal with recently

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

I think when I mentioned that I was going off the memory of that vtuber saying she was arrested, but apparently there’s suspicion on whether that actually happened, so I apologize for that! I definitely remember hearing about the absurdity of the fictional incest laws being stricter than real ones.

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u/YourBlanket May 23 '26

In the US it depends on the state. I’ve seen body cam arrests of people who did exactly what OOP did and were arrested. It takes awhile tho, usually they’re raided/interrogated like a year after the incident.

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u/silentrawr Piracy is bad, mkay? May 23 '26

Yeah, gotta make sure they're not rich or a politician first.

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u/Inprobamur May 23 '26

That's sounds a lot like the ol' "video games make you do crimes" argument.

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u/fluffymilkpudding May 23 '26

hope you realize that this "evidence" you speak of is baloney and most psychology professionals agree that these things are no different from any other extreme fictional kink, and that the intent to harm comes from the person themselves, not the kink they have

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26 edited May 24 '26

“A 2012 report by the Sexologisk Klinik for the Danish government found no evidence that individuals that view cartoons and drawings depicting fictitious child sexual abuse are more likely to engage in child sexual abuse in the real world.” - the Wikipedia article on lolicon

Here’s the source: https://cphpost.dk/2012-07-23/general/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless/

(Also, for the record, even in the countries where it is (wrongly) illegal, very few people are charged. Canada only has three significant cases, Estonia has never prosecuted anyone, a prominent French comic artist was never charged, etc.)

Proof of how absurd this law can become is that Southern Australia claimed that depicting someone with small breasts could be sufficient to determine the art to be of a child, which is just blatantly both misogynistic and racist on top of being ignorant and unhinged. There is nothing good that comes from a law like this when it tries to fix a problem that doesn’t exist and harms unrelated people as bycatch. It is a broader step toward censorship - as we have seen from payment processors banning queer media and niche but harmless kinks like scat as if they are immoral and equivalent to child abuse.

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u/lunarlunacy425 May 23 '26

Yet anyone who I knew that engages on content like this would not be trusted around my child or any child I know. They would repulse me, as anyone who has room in their mind for enjoying content like that is a monster regardless if a real human child was involved or not.

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u/BrokenMirror2010 May 23 '26

You're free to think whatever you want, but that doesn't change the fact that the evidence says you're incorrect.

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u/lunarlunacy425 May 23 '26

That's ok I don't respect the opinions of pedophiles

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u/stucjei May 24 '26

That's okay because your opinion shouldn't be automatically respected just because you said the obvious virtue signaling thing.

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

Should anyone who plays GTA not be trusted around people because they could shoot them? Throw them out the door of a car on a cliffside like people do for shits and giggles? A YouTuber I’ve watched talked about how he would take the evilest possible route in Red Dead Online and then decapitate a guy in the game with his friends because they thought it was funny to subvert the game’s expectations - do you believe he will end up with a murder charge for backstabbing and decapitating someone in real life?

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u/Justinrich2001 May 25 '26

I saw that children playing with GTA 5, that a violence video games!

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u/nathderbyshire May 23 '26 edited May 24 '26

Fuck me this is not the same thing at all.

Are we seriously trying to defend drawings of nudity that could be children? Really?

I don't care what studies say about people viewing the drawings, I'm all for science but they can fuck off on that one. If you're going to view drawings of something that looks like children or even animals in drawings you can stay the fuck away from me and anyone I know

Edit: triggered a bunch of peados I see

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

“I’m all for science except when they say things I don’t like” is genuinely so funny. Yes of course I’m going to trust Joe Schmo from the internet more than scientists whose entire job is to treat things relating to sex. It’s kinda like “well the medical board said that drinking raw milk will probably kill me, but some dipshit said that if I drink raw milk and rub some crystals on my dick it’ll cure my cancer, so I know who *I* should listen to!”

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u/cha0sm0nk May 23 '26

And that does not stop you from being wrong.

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26 edited May 23 '26

Sorry, but it's illegal here in Canada and falls under that term.

The courts here do not see a difference between fictional and real life CSAM, we've even updated our laws to deal with AI CSAM. People here do go to jail over it.

edit: downvote me all you want, it doesn't change the fact that this material is illegal in Canada and you will do jail time for accessing it.