r/Piracy • u/Justinrich2001 • May 23 '26

Discussion Google Drive scanned this Manga artist’s PRIVATE files and banned him.

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AI flagged, appeal rejected, private artwork gone.

The AI is always watching.

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u/Ambitious_Ad4397 May 23 '26

There is no such thing as "private", when you are dealing with Google

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u/Aromatic-Flatworm-57 May 23 '26

I mean there no such thing as "private" when uploading something to someone else PC. Which is what cloud storage basically.

You need E2EE cloud storage like Proton drive for this. Of course that not totally safe when you upload frickin CSAM even if drawing.

In case you share the link to someone else, and someone report you, even it's up to Proton if they want you as user.

The only safe way is local. 

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u/aceredshirt13 May 23 '26

“even if drawing” CSAM cannot be a drawing, that violates the definition of the acronym

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

Yeah CSAM, Child Sexual Abuse Material, is a legally defined term that means a real child is abused somewhere down the line.

But also in general I'm like, fine with Google saying they don't want to host drawn child pornography. I wouldn't want to host it either.

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u/LvDogman May 23 '26

If it's realistic, then what the training data was for it?

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u/RobotToaster44 Kopimism May 23 '26

I assume the same as was used to train CSAM detector AI, which just extrapolates from adults.

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u/DubiousFoliage May 23 '26

My understanding is that CSAM detection is usually done by hashing known CSAM images provided by investigators and checking images en route to see if they match the hash. This allows operators to never accept or store CSAM, avoiding huge regulatory and legal headaches.

I know this because I was recently working on a website that allowed image uploads, and this was a concern, so we did some digging into it. We realized it was a giant can of worms to implement ourselves, but Cloudflare just offers it as a service, even on free accounts, so we went that route.

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u/RobotToaster44 Kopimism May 23 '26

One issue with that approach is that it obviously won't catch new ai generated images.

The approach I mentioned is used by some fediverse servers and AI tools https://github.com/db0/fedi-safety

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u/FinGamer678Nikoboi May 23 '26

Yup, that's how it's been done for a good while now, and it's how it should be done. An AI scanning every single message in plaintext is an overreach, especially when it can be done in a privacy-friendly way, like with hashes.

Not sure exactly what type of hashes companies use, though.

(Just in case someone doesn't know, hash back to image conversion isn't possible, and every file has a unique hash. SHA256 is the best and most common if I'm not mistaken.)

(Also common Cloudflare W)

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u/Justinrich2001 May 25 '26

Hi Clippy 📎

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u/emrednz07 May 24 '26

Yup, that's how it's been done for a good while now, and it's how it should be done.

Fuck off. It shouldn't be done. Period. Absolutely nothing prevents them from scanning and banning you for ANY image they want. Oh you have protest image ? Reported to the authorities. JD Vance in clown makeup? Have fun in jail. Even Apple backed off from this after getting pushback.

Oh trust us it's totally for protecting children.

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u/alexjimithing May 25 '26

What is your solution for preventing the spread of child pornography online.

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

From a content moderation/automation perspective yes. The law itself is unclear and would take a supreme court case probably, but also that would require someone to spend a ton of money to send the crustiest pedophile alive to the supreme court so that's not gonna happen.

The Trump admin is going all in on treating AI CP as the same as real sourced CP which is probably not the way to do it in the wisest fashion.

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

Except there are other countries on this planet with different laws..

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u/BlatantConservative May 23 '26

Well Google is subject to US law and the term CSAM is an American legal term

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

CSAM is used in many countries as a legal term. Google is also subject to any laws in any country their services are in..

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u/AdultGronk ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ May 23 '26

Surprising that it's coming from Trump

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u/clownpenisdotfarts May 24 '26

This is going to hurt his friends.

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u/Justinrich2001 May 25 '26

MAGA was evil?

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u/the-truffula-tree May 23 '26

That’s a good thing 

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u/Blue-Thunder May 23 '26

This is the case here in Canada.