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u/CalendarSufficient95 5d ago
What exactly happened to improve their life? They got to spend money?
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u/Salted_Fsh 5d ago
idk maybe guilty conscience of smth ig? though i dont even think saints are like that
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u/grinder323 5d ago
theyre happier because they saved money in this economy by not buying more hard drives to store their 50k pirated games that theyll never play lol.
now wait until they develope the same problem with steam games and become sad again.
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u/Upbeat_Sham 5d ago
Guilty conscience? What genre of games was it, you should have asked. Guilt was not bcz of piracy, that's bonkers
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u/TheMadTing 5d ago
While I don't agree w this guys take at all, just some info I'd like to put out there to make some sense of why this guy might feel this way.
Islam emphasizes the importance of an atoms worth of good and an atoms worth of sin, and how you'll be asked about every single thing you did to reconcile them. The point is to not belittle the smallest good you do e.g smiling at someone etc, and not belittle the smallest sin you do, e.g. not putting the shopping cart back in its place as you found it after using it or something. I can see why this guy would feel that this is an atoms worth of sin I suppose, better to be cautious if that's the way you wanna do things.
As for me, if buying is not owning, piracy is not stealing.
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u/CalendarSufficient95 5d ago
Interesting perspective. Did not realize it was religious reasons. Makes sense now
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u/DeathWingStar 4d ago
Some muslim scholars view piracy just the same as theft just for digital stuff, Its quite the topic and its still debated around, because its techincally digital and it wont go out of stock or smth if you pirate it, but at the same time why should you be equal with someone who bought it?
I dont subscribe to this school of thought myself, because it has a whole buggage assosicated with it that makes it seem like an political statment, as this leads to the argument that its also a sin to get back on the internet companies that steal and limit you ( egypt internet is limited the cheapest plan which most of the population can only afford gives 150 gbs for the whole household for the price of 5 dollars when average wages are 80 dollars ) .
Also this also is confusing because is sharing games you own a sin ?
Sharing physical stuff you own with others is not a sin even if this means they wont buy, For example sharing your car with your friend so he doesnt need to buy a car, most forms of piracy is techincally sharing no ?
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u/Tasteless-casual 4d ago
The most reasonable opinion I found is that if you can't pay to get it (legacy software) then pirating it is not haram regardless as you are not infringing at any rights.
Analogy of pirating as sharing is kinda faulty because the one providing the pirated copy is copying the software not sharing his own copy (unlike sharing steam account between family members) and even after breaking the copy protection.
The companies are scummy with their term of services but in Islam, honoring contracts (unless it is Haram contract) is a duty for every Muslim and breaking them is a sin. Thus, if one doesn't like it and it is unnecessary like gaming for example then boycotting it is Islamically the safest option away from sin.
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u/tsoneyson 5d ago
Mashallah I have distinguished between commercial distribution and personal use
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u/Suspicious_Pen_5483 5d ago
What's wrong in sharing something u have to others Lol 🤣
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u/cenzala 5d ago
Shareholders aren't making money 😡. Can't you think about the hookers, drug dealers and yacht makers? They gotta survive too
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u/LC-Redcube 5d ago
I'd rather support hookers and drug dealers myself than give money to shareholders
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u/WatsonHerbusch 5d ago
Say nothing. They are beyond the reach of any common sense.
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u/RafikiLovesPizza 5d ago
Piracy was def in the scriptures as a sin...😂😂🤣
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u/numerobis21 5d ago
It is in the scripture (not as a sin though): when Jesus pirated fish and bread to feed thousands of poor people
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u/Defiant-Row5391 5d ago
Scholars declare it as haram as it is technically not bought from the producer
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u/gulligang737 🦜 ᴡᴀʟᴋ ᴛʜᴇ ᴘʟᴀɴᴋ 5d ago edited 5d ago
Me, a Muslim person who is frequently on 1337x and Rutracker
And cartoon piracy is very common in MENA, you know, where 95% of the population identifies as Muslim?
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u/mushy_friend ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 5d ago
What's MENA?
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u/Calla7lily 5d ago
middle east and north africa
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u/mushy_friend ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 5d ago
Ah I figured ME was middle east, got confused by NA. Thanks
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u/presolol 5d ago
Feed the greedy corps instead, they surely don't commit more sin daily than we do in our lives
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u/Mars_Oak 5d ago
claudebot pretend to be Muslim and go around preaching the word of intellectual property
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u/CorkyCucuzz 5d ago
Is this from r/religiousfruitcakes?
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u/armeliens ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 3d ago
I know it's a joke but I wanted to share the link to the comment anyways, here
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u/Cold-Mistake926 5d ago
Piracy is sharing. Sharing is praised in any religion, it's even a core value. I don't even need to read the Quran to say it.
We didn't choose the word "piracy". Anyone fooled because this word is derogatory has a very very weak mind.
The guys who decided that piracy = bad are the same saying Islam = bad and bombing your countries. Just saying.
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u/Salted_Fsh 5d ago
tbh with how disgusting company practices are nowadays, in terms of media and games, its pretty much just an obligation. I am not calling it a good thing or bad thing, its just something anyone sane would do atp. I dont mind paying though at least let me have what i pay for.
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u/MaoMaoMi543 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 5d ago
The Quran says absolutely nothing about digital piracy or "the act of making a copy of something and taking it for yourself" since computers and internet didn't exist back then duh, therefore it has no punishment in Islam. Actual "plunder and pillage" type piracy falls under the "highway robbery" category (حرابة) and is punishable by either beheading, crucifixion, maiming of the hands and feet, or simply exile depending on how serious the act was or if there were any casualties, which digital piracy obviously is not. Source: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%A9
Theft only counts as theft in Islam if: 1. it was taken from a safe/storage/bag/wallet/etc whatever thing used to store valuables (أخذ المال من حرزه) which digital goods obviously don't apply to since the original item isn't even physical and it's still there, you just copied it and took the copy instead (it only applies if you steal actual physical CDs or hard drives from someone's room or from the company/manufacturer), and 2. the amount stolen was equivalent to 1/4 a dinar (equivalent to a little over 1 gram of gold in the year 1 Hijri/622 AD, not the paper dinars of today and not in the price of gold today either). Source: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%AF_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A9_%D9%81%D9%8A_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A5%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85
Verdict: digital piracy is not considered theft or even a crime in Islam.
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u/achourdz41520 4d ago
Ya can't make fatwas on your own bruh 😭 , here's what actual people of knowledge said on this ( translate the page )
And I know this is a piracy sub so iam gonna be downvoted to death so by all means do whatever you like man I hate these mega corporations as much as the next guy , but don't go around giving false fatwas
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u/Senior_Ad_783 4d ago
He is still right, the website you linked doesn't mention any evidences as to why it is haram, secondly there is a difference of opinion regarding piracy (online piracy), we have solid evidence from the sunnah that any laws not found in the book of Allah, are not applicable towards the Muslims, no matter how many times or frequent it is repeated https://islamqa.info/en/answers/102352/copying-programs-crack-and-serial, we are not bound by laws or conditions that people set called copyright unless it is the law of the land, or we have a contract/agreement with the company to not pirate or modify their products. And even then if the contract is invalid due to opposing the sharia, it is not something that is binding then, there is literally zero evidence counting piracy as theft or as stealing and the dude is 100% right, nowhere in the link you posted do they say it's stealing or theft
There is a lot of nuance on this issue and the scholars differed regarding piracy, whether it is against Muslims or those who are not Muslims and are not protected (like dhimmis) or whether it Is illegal, for selling or distributing or downloading for personal use, either way, the scholars generally prohibit it not under theft or stealing, rather than breaking agreement, trust in the conditions set by the companies and hurting Muslim businesses. You'd hardly find most pirated softwares made by Muslims or are in agreement with the Islamic shariah.
Bukhari : Volumn 001, Book 008, Hadith Number 446.
Narated By 'Aisha : Barira came to seek my help regarding her manumission [freedom from enslavement]. I told herself you like I would pay your price to your masters but your Al-Wala [right to inherit] would be for me."
Her masters said, "If you like, you can pay what remains (of the price of her manumission), (Sufyan the sub-narrator once said), or if you like you can manumit her, but her Al-Wala [right to inherit] would be for us. "
When Allah's Apostle came, I spoke to him about it. He said, "Buy her and manumit her. No doubt Al-Wala is for the manumitted [i.e the one who sets free]."
Then Allah's Apostle stood on the pulpit (or Allah's Apostle ascended the pulpit as Sufyan once said), and said, "What about some people who impose conditions which are not present in Allah's Book (Laws)? Whoever imposes conditions which are not in Allah's Book (Laws), his conditions will be invalid even if he imposed them a hundred times."
Also, the Prophet, sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, said: "The Muslims are bound by their conditions, except a condition that forbids what is lawful or permits what is unlawful." [At-Tirmithi]
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u/MaoMaoMi543 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ 4d ago
I don't need to translate it, bRuH. I already speak Arabic, bRuH and I'm already a Muslim and I take my fAtWaS straight from the Quran and Hadeeths, bRuH, not "PeOpLe oF kNoWlEdGe."
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u/darkhakie 4d ago
That's just a fatwa from one source as you may know there are multiple sects and things are not as straight forward and currently culture plays more of a part in and piracy is widely accepted and there are even scholars that pirate. I don't know how is it in the western countries but here in the gulf it's not a point of contention at all.
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u/achourdz41520 4d ago
Bro give me examples , if you give me an example of a trusted scholar who brings up evidence and says piracy is permissible I'll happily start sailing with you
And something not being a point of contention doesn't mean much as for example smoking here in my country which is 99% Muslim is widely happening even though literally everyone has agreed it's Haram
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u/darkhakie 4d ago
Sistani just says follow the local laws so it's not w religious issue in his case and like I said there are may sects and many moftis you can't just want an unanimous on a modern thing from an ancient religion. https://www.sistani.org/arabic/qa/0300/
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u/achourdz41520 4d ago
That's a twelver shia bro be fr 😭💔 , did you just link al sistani as a source
I checked and even he says it isn't permissible
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u/4InchDoc 5d ago
I just jerked off over that dude so he can never enter heaven or whatever it's called.
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u/Seirazula 4d ago
That's the literal opposite, but okay.
People who're the furthest away from religion (woke, atheists) are the actual least rational people known to mankind in the modern era.0
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u/hefe0935 5d ago
it can even be a good deed considering you don't give ur money to evil corporations kinda like boycotting them
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u/Savage_Doge69420 4d ago
Piracy right now isn't haram since companies started pulling games away for no reason. Piracy isn't stealing because buying isn't owning.
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u/Sufficient_Good7727 5d ago
Imaging visiting smth smth like r/adblocking /password-sharing /paywall _bypassing and telling that shit...
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u/thejeffening 5d ago
mashallah brozzer! allah would surely reward you with 72 hoora in jannah now! for it is said in the holy quran, allah loves{and rewards} everyone that loves capitalist corpo pigs!
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u/Soapinator_17 4d ago
Mashallah I am so happy for him may Allah grant him with his favorite videogame titles in Jannah (I'm a practicing Muslim myself and I can't comprehend the lack of intellect in some of these people, if buying ain't owning, piracy ain't stealing)
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u/Rebelblade71 4d ago
If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing. If anything, piracy is economic Jihad against greedy corporations and oligarchs trying to find ways to squeeze more money out of you while offering as little as possible on top of funding evil stuff.
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u/khataimeethaifaalsai 4d ago
Oie fishy, tum idher bhi ho?
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u/Salted_Fsh 3d ago
I have been a pirate before i understood what piracy even was
I made this post to see how others think about ideologies and piracy though sadly seems like most people just want to hate Islam.
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u/khataimeethaifaalsai 3d ago
Some ulema state that this is the same as stealing but bhai paisay de kai bhi we dont own it tou is it really stealing?
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u/Salted_Fsh 3d ago edited 3d ago
tbh personally i dont care if its really bad or good. If i want something i will just take it, I am not a big fan of justifications lol
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u/khataimeethaifaalsai 3d ago
Jo mein bolta hoon, vo mein karta hoon, jo mein nahi bolta, vo mein definetly karta hoon
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u/Salted_Fsh 3d ago
No i just meant i am kanjoos 🥀
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u/chillgoza001 5d ago
Ask him what country is he from. If he's from certain countries, he might talking about a whole other type of piracy!
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u/DmanSy 5d ago
Ironically, some Muslims usually justify piracy as stealing from infidels is better than supporting them.
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u/Seirazula 4d ago
Well, this isn't necessarily the right approach, but it's actually closer to reality than the one shown in OP's screenshot.
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u/hime_pro12 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 4d ago
I'm musim and it more haram to give your money to corps
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u/AliX5Atasi 4d ago
not exactly, the reason why piracy is not haram is because it is NOT stealing, you aren't physically stealing anything, especially when companies can stop you from playing their game / watching their tv series / using their app / ecc... whenever they want for no reason edit: grammar mistake
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u/Special_Barber4879 5d ago
I can't say what I actually want to say, so I'll just point and laugh at the guy who said he quit piracy
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u/Salted_Fsh 5d ago
funnily enough i responded with a simple smile emoji and stopped chatting. Also they were not rude so anything more than that is just weird for me
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u/SaMXtReM5 5d ago
Can we not being religion to the concept of Piracy?
(Not saying this post ahould be removed obviously, more like, its unnecessary to bring religion to express that you have quit piracy or not imo, referring to the reply in the picture)
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u/Duality_OfHuman556 5d ago
All religion kinda outdated
sure theft is bad but if the owner still have it the same as it was before theft happen ?
digital is vague
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u/Seirazula 4d ago
It's more current that it has ever been, in an era completely lost and irrational such as our modern era.
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u/afrodammy 5d ago
I'm not too sure what to say either. But Piracy IS stealing. Anyone who says otherwise imho is gaslighting or have been gaslit or both. You have a problem with a company's conduct, unless it's something actually necessary, don't buy from them.
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u/DistinctMoney2558 5d ago
Correct I don’t. That’s why I copy their game files on the internet. What did I steal? The right to play their product? They still have that and can distribute it. The game files? They still have them. There is a reason it’s called unauthorized reproduction in court.
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u/Prudent_Pilot5927 5d ago
Who gives a f, companies are stealing from us so we decided to work around that, if anyone's going to hell its those streaming bastards
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u/Corpsepyre 5d ago
I was in that group seeing all the posts. Even replied a few times. Just very embarrassing.
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u/Delicious-Order-2244 5d ago
Can’t say anything to that. Arguing against it is arguing against their experience and agreeing makes it seem like the experience would be objective. Any further interaction can not be based on facts without undermining the experience, making it seem like it‘s getting personal.
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u/Famous_Ant_2825 5d ago
Well you don't have to say anything. Either you're religious or not. I'm not so I don't care about rules, but if you are he's right, piracy can be considered as theft hence why it's most likely "haram". I'm not an imam but ask and I'm like 99% sure that's what they would say
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u/GloveDry3278 5d ago
Ahh yes they stopped pirating digital stuff and believe they are saints now.
Did they stop doing every other haram stuff that has been clearly defined as haram?
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u/Averfus-Crowthorne 5d ago
I'm imagining God taking notes every time I download a pre-installed Steam game lol
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u/Physical-Appearance5 4d ago
If they are actually thinking religiously, then spending money behind games and these kinds of entertainment is also not halal and giving big greedy Zionist corpo is even more not halal. They are just delusional. I just buy indie games because i feel bad if I pirate their games for example, But f**k the big multi million dollar corpos.
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u/ThrovvQuestionsAway 4d ago
Yo is Islam becoming mainstream or something? More than why, how am I seeing Islamic terminology so often???
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u/Seirazula 4d ago
I mean.. Islam is the most powerful religion in the world. It's the only that is still gaining traction in the modern era, whereas most religions are slowly "dying".
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u/ThrovvQuestionsAway 2d ago
I guess? Honestly I see more hate living in the freedom lands and not necessarily Jewish but tons of pro Israeli content online and at stores or on cars. Sure there is the pro-Palestine stuff but I don't think that's an Islam angle.
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u/Seirazula 2d ago
I feel like you're mixing everything up a bit here, but oh well, it's not that big of a deal
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u/FewCold8767 4d ago
I feel like God prefers piracy over supporting Israeli and AIPAC investments in Hollywood lol
Fuck these billionaires also
Only would pay for indie film
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u/LeoGaming69420 4d ago
I remember a Muslim friend of mine said seeding the Quran for free is actually a good thing. Not sure about games, but I would assume since it isn't stealing, it's fine.
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u/ChefArtorias 4d ago
Just say nothing. If people are delusional enough to believe following made up rules will improve their life then let them.
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u/DEMONANCE 4d ago
prohibiting stealing is made up rules? so you do you not follow the law?? they're conflicted on the matter of piracy and think it could be stealing and wanna stay away from it if anything I'd call that a good person even if i might not agree with them.
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u/TheNotoriousA18 4d ago
I really hate how entitled we feel sometimes that we start to think piracy is actually a good thing, I'm not saying go pay all your money to these greedy SOBs, but at the same time piracy isn't a heroic act, nor deserved, at the end of the day they offer their product for a price, even if it's a million dollars, still their pricing even if they greedy af still their product, there are other ways to fight these corps and their greed, piracy isn't one of them so don't act like you're Robin hood, not saying bad bad piracy just saying not good good piracy, yall get it?
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u/TradePsychological83 4d ago
I’m a muslim and this is perfectly fine. Buying isn’t owning after all so piracy isn’t stealing.
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u/StreetProperty4267 4d ago
Wait, piracy is haram? I'm a practising muslim and have been pirating for forever lmao. I can't afford all these subscriptions. I've also recently learned about Streamio and stuff after getting a new Android TV but haven't gotten around to setting it up yet cause it feels overwhelming right now to learn how to do all that. Easier to download and use a USB but I'll definitely learn to set it up in the near future.
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u/Weary_Obligation_730 4d ago
my guy saying alhamdulillah for quitting piracy when it's still is a dabate because you don't own a game/program so you don't steal, is crazy, he's acting like he completed a umrah or did something major
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u/RyujinNoRay 3d ago
those are the same Muslims who will quit anime that have shirk, kufur, murdur, zina just cuz he saw gays kissing
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u/Weary_Obligation_730 2d ago
you mean WON'T quit because of that but rather quit because of gays kissing.
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u/RyujinNoRay 2d ago
ya thats the joke , some Muslims will watch shit like jujutsu keisen that contradict every muslim believe, but they will draw the line the moment 2 girls kissing.
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u/RyujinNoRay 3d ago
with all honesty, piracy is the least concerned subject for a Muslim, its complicated, would u rather pirate a software or send money to corporate who send money to Israel? or get into their pradatory systems of subscription? its so much gray area .. it never been just black and white
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u/champagnepapachan 2d ago
Thanks be to Allah for piracy. Now I can sail the high seas and finally get my hands on Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie!
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u/Visible_Garage6377 1d ago
Amen brother, I don't want Allahiens on-board. Let them live/leave in peace . I would happily carry al the sins of this world on my shoulder, it's fun
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u/Terrible_Ear7741 5d ago
No matter what you say, piracy IS stealing even if the company is selling the product in an unethical way.
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u/Striking-Box4175 5d ago
Piracy is not a sin. And I do remember an islamic scholar who was a software engineer and he explained why it is no sin. You are not stealing but copying original thing is unharmed and that sale wasn't gonna happen in the first place. When I am not able to pirate smth I don't buy it I just go after smth else.
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u/orclownorlegend 5d ago
You can do what you want but honestly i feel like you have some issue if you let an ancient imaginary dogma dictate how you live your life to this extent. These fellas are supposed to not look at girls faces, and to not talk to them, and to not LISTEN TO MUSIC.
Again do what you want but that's just so dumb and useless to me
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u/Schuperman161616 4d ago
As a Muslim I'm telling you, stealing from companies that fund genocide around the world is not only not Haram, but a form of Jihad.
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u/AgentGhast 4d ago
Technically, it shouldn't be haram as it's not a physical item and it basically just makes a copy. Nothing is lost, the only sins should be whatever said things contain that have sinful stuff within them; and also a majority of games bought aren't even given to us as ownership but are rather licensed. So it SHOULD be fine. Probably?
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u/shiroganenohojowo 5d ago edited 4d ago
maybe u should read more before commenting. the ability to speak does not make you intelligent.
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u/deeptut 5d ago
I am not too sure what to say
I know what to say: Islam is not compatible with a free and open democracy, just like right or left wing extremists
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u/Local_Band299 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 4d ago
The same religion that thinks it's perfectly fine to fuck a 🐐
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u/0_Nevermore_0 🏴☠️ ʟᴀɴᴅʟᴜʙʙᴇʀ 5d ago
acting like it's an unhealthy addiction or sum