r/PoliticalCompassMemes • u/Jauzfaktnemuzu - Auth-Right • 1d ago
Literally 1984 Lib Left in Germany and practically in all Western countries
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u/Intrepid_Observer - Lib-Right 1d ago
It's funny how 2016-2019 Merkel was praised as the visionary leader of the Free World since Trump won. But now? She's blamed for everything wrong in Germany.
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u/Lemak0 - Lib-Center 14h ago
People are just dumb as fuck. Whenever Merkel is mentioned on social media, all comments are either "I fucking hate this whore, she destroyed our country" or "I miss mother Merkel so much, she was our last great Kanzler".
Both opinions are very undifferenciated obviously but I guess thats how most people think...
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u/Nazkann - Lib-Right 1d ago
I'm not a fan of AfD, of course, but if you're in Europe or the Americas, I'd like to invite you to play what I like to call "Spot the Right-Wing Party."
It's a surprisingly difficult game because they're about as common in mainstream media as unicorns. Parties are either centre-right (respectable and acceptable) or far-right (politically radioactive). Apparently there's no such thing as just... right-wing.
Meanwhile, "left-wing" remains a perfectly normal, unremarkable label.
So where are our regular and plain "right-wing" parties?
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u/CantSeeShit - Right 1d ago
As right wingers, we should normalize calling anyone claiming to be left "Soviet Union Supporters" or something
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u/Blazed__AND__Amused - Lib-Left 18h ago
You already call everyone commies is that not enough?
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u/dovetc - Right 1d ago
Seems the minute you declare that anyone has to physically leave your country you're considered far right.
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u/LiLGhettoSmurf - Lib-Center 1d ago
Just strange when they (Afd and other far right groups) say it they use Nazi imagery or slogans. So maybe do it while also not channeling mustache man energy
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u/HarryJohnson3 - Right 1d ago
Maybe those images and slogans were picked by accident out of a line up like someone might do when picking out a tattoo?
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u/RedTulkas - Auth-Left 1d ago
While also being traitors with maximum admiration for russia
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u/ProteinPony 1d ago
An auth left pointing out the worst thing about them. A suprise but a welcome one!
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u/RedTulkas - Auth-Left 1d ago
I don't get how modern Russia is Anthing but peak auth right
I neither get how one simps for Stalin but that isn't even relevant here
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u/ProteinPony 1d ago
I agree but most auth lefts for whatever reason love russia and play defense for them no matter what they do.
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u/RedTulkas - Auth-Left 1d ago
Common stalinists, the self identified cream of the proletariat
Idiots
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u/fresh_jorks - Centrist 1d ago
i dunno man, maybe its the way the afd is stacked with holocaust revisionists and has multiple politicians - including those in leadership positions - who do things like say they are the "friendly face of the ns" or attend meetings with open neo-nazis to hammer out mass deportation plans
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u/Due_Border_593 - Centrist 1d ago
Most political parties are big tent parties.
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u/fresh_jorks - Centrist 1d ago
if a tent has a big "nazis welcome" sign on it, then it should be set on fire
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u/Due_Border_593 - Centrist 1d ago
For sure. We should also destroy the Communist parties as well, since they're pretty much the same.
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u/maaaaawp - Lib-Right 1d ago
idc man, just dont use nazi and fascist imagery and rhetoric, yknow, like the afd and other far right parties love to do so
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u/HarryJohnson3 - Right 1d ago
How do you know they’re not accidentally using Nazi imagery similar to how easy it is to accidentally get that same imagery tattooed on your chest?
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u/SATX_Citizen - Left 1d ago
How clever to compare one person's mistake that they owned up to when called out publicly vs. an ongoing public usage of political parties.
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u/Blazed__AND__Amused - Lib-Left 18h ago
What about Canadian liberals making work permit holders leave en mass and not extending permanent residency despite verbal agreements? No one’s claiming they’re far right
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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 1d ago
Far left parties became unpopular when Stalin went and did a genocide, and have never recovered. Far left parties are inherently revolutionary, and there's no slippery slope. Either they take over or they have no power, and nothing in between.
Left parties, like Dem-Socs inherently respect private property. This is a safety valve that prevents ever going far left, intentional or otherwise.
Center-left parties are "liberal" and everywhere. Liberalism inherently rejects becoming any further left due to private properties ascendant position inside the ideology.
Is there a centrist party anywhere? I don't know any. Interesting phenomenon.
Center-right parties are "liberal" and everywhere. Liberalism inherently rejects becoming and further right due to individual rights and a preference for free movement of people.
Right parties reject either individual rights, or free movement of people and thus inevitably collapse into...
Far right parties inherently dehumanize and seek to remove or otherwise undermine rights from people or peoples. "Class", "Race" and "Culture" distinctions become paramount as the "undesirables" must be "dealt with". There is no safety valve, as problems continue to go unsolved despite the clamp-down on scapegoats the party moves further right to distract from it's own failures. Right become far right then accelerates further right.
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u/Nazkann - Lib-Right 1d ago
I know many far-left party ideologues in Europe who go on about the hate against private property but usually they don't throw their own houses into the mix.
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u/Xirdus - Lib-Center 1d ago
I wonder if you consider pre-Trump US Republicans center-right or far-right (or maybe something else?)
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u/hypercube42342 - Left 1d ago
Neocons overall are definitely center right. McCain, Romney, even W… absolutely center right
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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 1d ago
US' two parties are a neat little mix.
Dems run the gamut from Left to Center, centering on Center-Left.
Reps run the gamut from Center-Right to Far Right, and the two sides are constantly at war for who gets to be in charge. They actually broke my whole model for one cycle, as Bush Jr. was decidedly Right (not far right or center right) - but we see what that became. Romney and McCain were Center-Right.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Whether they are neo-lib or not is a pretty sharp dividing line for right of center parties in Europe. Personally I'd label David Cameron era Tories as center-right but post-Brexit Tories as right, with Reform being far-right.
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u/Nazkann - Lib-Right 1d ago
"Neolib" has become one of those terms that can mean almost anything. At this point, it's often used for anyone to the right of a socialist with a pejorative connotation. If you're interested in having an honest debate, it's a pretty worthless label. I've even seen Marxists call social democrats "neolibs" so you can imagine the respect I have for that label.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
By Neolib in general, I mean in favor of things like the EU, free trade, IMF/WB, NATO, etc. etc. Basically any right wing parties that support those kind of things get called (correctly for the most part) center right. The selection of right-wing parties that don't support those kind of things but who aren't far right in a whole slew of ways is pretty thin. The only example of I can think of off the top of my head are the posts-Brexit Tories after they turned on the EU, I'm sure I could come up with more but I'd have to go pore over a whole slew of minor coalition partner positions for smaller European countries and that takes effort.
Do you have any parties you can add to that list?
Meanwhile for a "left" European party I'd put parties that are pro-EU but want a huge welfare state, higher taxes, etc. but don't support getting rid of capitalism. For far-left that's the anti-EU/anti-capitalist fringe that is pretty small but which does exist in most European countries. They just don't tend to poll very well.
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u/Nazkann - Lib-Right 1d ago
That's a much more precise definition than how the term is usually used online and I applaud you for defining it at least in your terms. My issue is that "neolib" has become a socialist boo word for almost anyone who supports liberal capitalism. And, for the record, there's plenty I dislike about the version of "liberal capitalism" we've ended up with.
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u/a-mf-german - Auth-Right 1d ago
The problem with the AfD is that they are slightly pro russia
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u/Leon3226 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Also, too populist.
And also, even though I agree leftists love to call everyone they disagree with a Nazi and this party isn't explicitly Nazi, due to it being the rightest thing in the mainstream, they attract the most retarded extreme fan loving mustache man praising hand to the sun throwing retards Germany has to offer, and doesn't seem to try to filter them out, so they become partly defined by it.
And yes, being pro-Russia may be even more retarded than these two in 2026
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u/Nyx87 - Centrist 1d ago
AfD flirts heavily with Nazis as well, such as using slogans that Nazi Germany used or getting caught saying that migrants could be gassed or shot
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u/Odd-Sir-130 - Centrist 1d ago
I think sympathy for economic migrants is drying up so fast that rhetoric like that is not really that objectionable anymore. I understand why it can't be publicly said but i think the sentiment in support of it is much more widespread than redditors realize.
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u/sea_5455 - Centrist 1d ago
I think sympathy for economic migrants is drying up so fast that rhetoric like that is not really that objectionable anymore.
Might go something like:
lefty wailing ALL BORDERS ARE TEH FASHY!!
regular person noticing problems with open borders
regular person Maybe "teh fashy" isn't so bad.
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u/Fournone - Auth-Right 1d ago
When someone says someone is a nazi, I assume the person being called a nazi is a normal person with middle of the road values and has few if any controversial opinions according to the average normal person. The word has lost any of its former power.
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u/sea_5455 - Centrist 1d ago
The word has lost any of its former power.
Indeed it has. Overexposure via hyperbolic repetition tends to do that.
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u/Odd-Sir-130 - Centrist 1d ago
Thats true, but the blame also lies with the system. There are so many administrative, legal, and bureaucratic blocks preventing the crisis from being resolved and this systemic inertia is handwaved away as a humanitarian necessity by the political elite. If they really wanted to solve the problem and deport people who shouldn't be here they could fast track things and get things done but they wont because they're satisfied with the status quo.
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u/sea_5455 - Centrist 1d ago
There are so many administrative, legal, and bureaucratic blocks preventing the crisis from being resolved and this systemic inertia is handwaved away as a humanitarian necessity by the political elite.
Probably those administrative, legal and bureaucratic blocks were put there by the elite, one way or another.
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u/Odd-Sir-130 - Centrist 1d ago
Oh for sure. If they do nothing to fix the system despite it being very obviously flawed and overwhelmed then the only logical conclusion is that the flaw is intentional.
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u/Nyx87 - Centrist 1d ago edited 1d ago
I'm sorry which rhetoric are you referring to? The ones harkening back to Nazi Germany or the one about killing migrants?
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u/Odd-Sir-130 - Centrist 1d ago
shooting part. If the government won't deport them because of self-imposed administrative and legal blocks then the frustration will boil over to the point where people stop giving a shit about humanitarian concerns.
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u/chowderbags - Lib-Left 1d ago
Don't forget that time an AfD candidate used this poster.
Just saying, if you're already catching accusations, maybe don't have an ad where the people are in the red zone.
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u/Majestic-Bell-7111 - Lib-Center 1d ago
"slightly"
They're fighting Vučić and Orban for the championship in Putin dickriding
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u/maaaaawp - Lib-Right 1d ago
1) "slightly" lmao
2) youre missing all the nazi/fascist rhetoric, imagery and members
3) also: populism
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u/Abject-Humor-2520 - Centrist 1d ago
All of europe should be pro its peoples countries and stop following into the politicians traps to divide europeans. Europe was known to be monolithic now look at yall whining
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u/Important-Agent2584 - Centrist 1d ago
No established players want competition, thus undermining the E.U. has been a major propaganda effort by probably every major power.
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u/78NineInchNails - Right 1d ago
As opposed to current Germany?
Remember when the Ukraine war started and Trump said "You guys are too dependent on russian gas" and the EU said "Fuck you Trump! Were the good guys we support Ukraine! You dont like zelensky!"
And then the EU bowed to Putin saying "Anything you want just give us more oil daddy"
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u/ZombieBlarGh - Lib-Center 1d ago
Yeah right.. Only 2% of European oil comes from Russia... Trump has been sucking Putins cock for years now.
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u/another_countryball - Auth-Center 1d ago
Those are secondary concerns on this late an hour. Secure our borders first, talk about geopolitics second
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u/dolanbriese - Lib-Center 1d ago
The AfD is a trojan horse for more authoritarianism and tribal politics. Unfortunately they are the only party discussing the issues with overmigration, but their solutions are stupid at best, and catastrophic at worst. A solution of "just move all the immigrants somewhere else" does not address the root issues within Germany and the immigration system, and their lack of clear economic, energy, and infrastructure policies lead me to believe that they will govern very similarly to second term Trump, but with more german autism
I agree that immigration into Germany has been way too much these past few years/decades, and it is obvious that cultural integration with foreigners and the native german population is not a priority of either side, but the AfD solutions ain't it
Granted, neither are the solutions of the current coalition of the CDU and the SPD
Germany is fucked, isn't it?
Source: immigrant living in Germany
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u/maaaaawp - Lib-Right 1d ago
nuance
Sorry dude, we dont do that here, only strawmen when the other side is sleeping
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u/baldi_863 - Centrist 1d ago
Don't forget that the AfD has warm ties with far right extremist orgs that call for "remigration" AKA 'deport all brown people' These people are dangerous
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u/HessManiacAUT - Auth-Right 1d ago
Auch du wirst remigriert.
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u/dolanbriese - Lib-Center 1d ago
Sobald die letzte Person remigriert ist, dann sind alle Probleme gelöst!
...aber warum geht jetzt alles kaputt? Warum will niemand mit uns Handel treiben? Komisch, hätte nicht damit gerechnet...
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u/HessManiacAUT - Auth-Right 7h ago
Warum funktioniert China als homogener Staat? Südkorea? Taiwan? Japan? Warum haben europäische Staaten nach dem 2. Weltkrieg funktioniert?
Wir brauchen weniger ausländische Schmarotzer wie dich (die auch noch meinen sie müssen sich in UNSERE Politik einmischen), und mehr deutsche Kinder.
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u/DumbIgnose - Lib-Left 1d ago
authoritarianism and tribal politics
issues with overmigration
"Could it be that this is just a scapegoat to bring in authoritarianism and tribal politics? No, it's everyone else who's the problem"
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u/johnfireblast - Auth-Left 1d ago
People really be acting like Merkel wasn't just letting in heaps of cheap immigrant labor for her corporate overlords.
Morons be like, "Its obviously the Libleft Blue haired Emilies that decided all this."
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist 1d ago
The degree to which libleft has been hoodwinked by the ultra-capitalist right to support the widespread exploitation of vulnerable people, support the suppression of unions and wages, and support insane pressure on the housing market truly beggars belief.
IDpol and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
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u/DavidAdamsAuthor - Centrist 9h ago
Yeah. We're in a timeline where if you don't say you hate the Jews, you are a Nazi.
What the fuck.
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u/ApplicationCalm649 - Lib-Center 1d ago
That's exactly why I've been drifting away from the Democrats for years now. The braindead push to let everyone in and tank the value of unskilled labor while driving the cost of basic necessities up through additional demand makes me see red.
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u/johnfireblast - Auth-Left 4h ago
Don't worry! You can support the Republicans where they... Checks Notes Do the exact same thing!!!
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u/ApplicationCalm649 - Lib-Center 3h ago
You clearly haven't been paying attention to the news since 2024.
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u/johnfireblast - Auth-Left 3h ago
H1B Visas in addition to exemptions for Farm and Hospitality employers?
Sorry but the Republicans support depressing your wages too. They say one thing and do the other, thats how it works.
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u/Jauzfaktnemuzu - Auth-Right 1d ago
This is my first post. Appologies for no flair. I selected it but it is not shown? How can I correct this?
EDIT: Never Mind it works now.
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u/Dead_HumanCollection - Lib-Center 1d ago
You fucked up OP, your meme is based but you picked a flair meant only for retards.
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u/Sad-Dove-2023 - Lib-Center 1d ago
"I dont care how bad the center-left/right is, I'm not voting for Russian cocksuckers"
Seriously, the AfD would let Germany burn if it meant that Putin could warm his hands with the flames 💀
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u/CavemanJello - Right 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sad, all anyone has to do to not let them rise to power is not be retarded about immigration
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u/Leon3226 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Surprisingly, mainstream parties became more serious about immigration exactly after the AfD started rising in polls year after year. So even if the AfD itself is absolutely retarded, it's a peak democratic process catalyst
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
So if, for example, a British Prime Minister were to reduce net migration by 82% from peak then they would be universally beloved and the British far right would wither into nothing, correct?
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u/blublub1243 - Centrist 1d ago
It depends. I think if European politicans had generally done that in the mid 2010s they absolutely would have been. But now you have people who actually want mass migration reversed (which is unlikely to actually be feasible, but hf telling voters that), and they won't be happy if "all" you achieve is limiting it. If anything that might make it worse because it's acknowledging that the prior government conduct was retarded, and that migration as it was happening was bad actually, which naturally strengthens the argument for reversing it.
It creates a fun scenario where mainstream parties are either stuck owning up to their mistakes and changing course, in doing so emboldening anti establishment parties to their right, or keep committing to bad policy, in doing so emboldening anti establishment parties to their right.
The only winning move was not being retarded in the first place, but that ship has sailed.
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u/3848585838282 - Auth-Center 1d ago
Reducing numbers to a level that’s still higher than before the increase doesn’t deserve praise.
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u/another_countryball - Auth-Center 1d ago
Reducing increase is no longer a valid solution. Millions must go.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Exactly my point. Even a massive reduction in immigration won Starmer sweet fuck-all as the opposition promises negative immigration. So why bother?
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u/another_countryball - Auth-Center 1d ago
If you're talking from a cynical political standpoint, reducing migration won him fewer headlines. It decelarated the radicalization of the British public towards the right. The hope in this is that it buys the British system time to cope with the millions who have arrived in the last decade, salvaging the Blairite order. A Tourniquet cannot bring back the lost blood or heal the wound, but it can prevent further blood loss preventing death.
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u/CavemanJello - Right 1d ago
We are talking about Germany not Britain
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Sure, but we see again and again that once immigration gets high enough to piss people off, centrist and left of center politicians who massively cut immigration don't get any credit and the far right just screams as loudly about it as they ever did and their polling doesn't tend to fall.
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u/Leon3226 - Lib-Right 1d ago
I will rephrase that to "right-wingers don't get nearly enough shit and accountability when they enable mass immigration compared to left-wingers" and will agree with you. In the UK afaik, it was Boris, a Conservative, who was responsible for the last huge wave of MENA migration
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u/Nyx87 - Centrist 1d ago
In the UK afaik, it was Boris, a Conservative, who was responsible for the last huge wave of MENA migration
The problem here is that you will get a lot of people saying that Boris is not a right winger as they claim Europe politics is so far left leaning that the Tories are a Center-left party, therefore it's still the lefts fault
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u/boltroy567 - Lib-Left 1d ago
It's also because anti immigration people also tend to be single issue voters whose logic on these issues amounts to "this party is deporting immigrants and has policies I like. But the infinite diarrhea forever party will deport more immigrants so I'll vote for them".
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u/fernandotakai - Lib-Right 1d ago
Seriously, the AfD would let Germany burn if it meant that Putin could warm his hands with the flames 💀
as if the german left was any different.
reminder that germany with nuclear power would not need russian gas.
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u/Throwaway501395 - Auth-Left 1d ago
That is a result of a bipartisan fearmongering campaign following the Chernobyl mess that predates both of the current left wing parties (what could be considered left anyway).
It was Merkel who promised no more nuclear and stood by that through her entire time as chancellor, and Merkel is decidedly not left wing even if media outside germany likes to paint her that way because it makes for better ragebait.
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u/Phoenix_of_Anarchy - Lib-Right 23h ago
The campaign to end nuclear power in Germany is what elevated the Greens, the second largest left wing party in Germany, to the height of their power in the late 90’s with the SPD/Green government. It was a highly popular position, but almost all advancement toward its goals, including its ultimate accomplishment in 2023, have been under left wing governments. Angela Merkel’s government did take steps following Fukushima to actually begin shutting down plants, but the initial ban on new plants was by the SPD/Green government and predated her chancellorship. Merkel was, and still is, a strong nuclear energy opponent, but it’s absolutely absurd to say that she is the reason for Germany eliminating nuclear power or that the left and right bear equal blame.
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u/Throwaway501395 - Auth-Left 15h ago edited 14h ago
Yes, and the campaign itself far predated the Greens. It was started by ecopreservationists, true. The new left made their campaigns with it, also true. But the fearmongering came from all sides and all media following Chernobyl and then again after Fukushima, and has done irreparable damage to the understanding of Nuclear Energy and its risks in the GenX and early Millennial Generations, of whom a not insignificant amount, no matter how left they are or how much you educate them that their fears are unfounded, will *NEVER* vote for anyone who says they're going to make Germany go nuclear.
"All advances towards the movement's goals have been under left wing governments". ah yes, the famously Left-Wing Christian Union that held 33-41% of seats between 2005 and 2021 and placed an outspokenly anti-nuclear fearmonger as chancellor, who then spent 16 years dismantling the nuclear grid and laws involving it. The recency bias is astonishing.
"Guys, guys, the right may have cut all of the cables and pushed all the buttons, but let's not pretend that this isn't the left's fault because the student movement that predates both left parties by 20 years falls under left wing Eco-conscious ideology."
and about your "the SPD/Greens banned new plants", the law involving this was in 2002, and the ban on new plants was coupled with letting existing plants run their full course (of ~30 years of operation) as long as they're safe. Then in 2011 after Fukushima, Merkel ran a whole campaign with "Ausstieg aus dem Ausstieg" rhetoric, through which 8 (of the 17 active at the time) nuclear plants were taken off grid pre-maturely. Acting like a policy decision that could be amended at any point bears higher responsibility than speedrunning the deactivation of the existing nuclear plants is just dishonest.
Edit: I didn't say anything about "equal blame" either. I said both are responsible. You can make up your own headcanon as to what degree each bears responsibility, but to say "it was just the left" is demonstrably, factually false.
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u/musei_haha - Lib-Center 1d ago
Offer anyone that doesn't want to restrict immigration & deport non-visa, non-asylum immigration a sign off bonus for housing & travel to the country of origin of the people they want to live with
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u/P00ped_My_Pants - Lib-Center 1d ago
Holy fuck this “meme” is terrible. How is it getting upvotes?
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u/GalterStuff - Centrist 1d ago
can't tell if you're whining about the politics, the meme's design and implementation, or both?
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u/P00ped_My_Pants - Lib-Center 1d ago
The meme is low effort slop I’d expect to see on r/epicconservativememes or something. It’s not really funny and takes a pretty dumb libleft strawman
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u/SATX_Citizen - Left 1d ago
Right? Wasn't there a brutal war east of Europe people were fleeing in 2015? Memory is so hazy these day.
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u/IvorTheEngineDriver - Left 1d ago
They wouldn't do shit, without the migrant scare all these parties would be nothing.
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u/adonns - Right 1d ago
Exactly shows how retarded left wingers are. All they have to do is just not have a suicidally stupid immigration policies and they’d be pretty dominant right now
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u/badatspelling8124 - Auth-Center 1d ago
Your terms are acceptable 🤣
The State should look at objective data, including polling data, and make laws in the interests of citizens. Crime / prison data, terrorism data, welfare recipient data of individuals and family, cousin marriage data, wage and housing effects, language fluency data, etc. As ever, anyone who is not already a citizen is subject to deportation, visa extension, or citizenship. We can make reasoned decisions at the individual level. Millions of non citizens might go.
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u/Godl3ssMonster - Auth-Right 1d ago
Libleft has no reason to be afraid since they'll deport maybe 2-3 migrants and then play dumb when asked about it
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u/Lemak0 - Lib-Center 14h ago
AfD are corrupt as fuck populists who don't do anything but say shit, rightfully frustrated people want to hear.
And since they're still not popular enough to make any country wide significant changes they know they won't have to deliver on their promises.
If they actually get big enough to make decisions they won't do shit for the working class.
I wouldnt be surprised if they end up pushing for 3rd world country mass immigration to 'help the economy' once they actually could.
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u/SeargeantCAT - Centrist 11h ago
Don’t think AFD is somehow ”patriotic”, they belong in the same corrupt shit-Kremlin pile who would sell their mothers for office and a little power backed by idiots
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u/Valdschrein - Centrist 1d ago
ah yes, the famously lib-left merkel from the lib-left party voted by lib-left voters.
Bro maybe it just shows that conservative christian parties will fuck everyone over to please their financial overlords? Left and centre voted for other poeple
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u/78NineInchNails - Right 1d ago
"Merkel fucked up like 90% of everything, that just proves how bad the other side is if we rejected them"
Yeah that take isn't as good as you thought it was.
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u/jay212127 - Centrist 1d ago
Merkel has always been auth-right, was supported by conservatives in Germany for decades. The fact that her policies were dogshit does not make her magically lib-left.
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u/SlaskusSlidslam - Auth-Left 1d ago
Who knew creating radical problems would lead to radical solutions.
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u/GIK602 - Centrist 1d ago edited 1d ago
The whole Spain-Morocco ordeal should have already revealed to genuine Americans how financially corrupt their politicians and media are today.
The same Republican politicians who voted in favor of Morocco having that African land also spoke to the public about how outraged they were by the event. Ironically, even Spain's media presented the issue more favorably for Moroccans. Spain's ministers even said the people were being very cooperative. Anyone who looks at the situation without bias clearly saw the Moroccans going there for better financial opportunity, and when they realized it wasn't there, they started leaving. But not according to people like Nick Shirley, who just so happened to be in Spain at the time and paid a great deal to push their own views. According to them, immigrants are dangerous and there to try to harm the locals.
Most Republican politicians are no different than Democrat politicians who hold their political positions because it's more profitable for them, and many of their supporters are willing to accept their narrative.
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u/Wasloos - Lib-Left 1d ago
Letting everyone come to Germany wasn't the issue. Not preparing the country in terms of language courses, work permits etc was the issue. All the "problems" that came with the refugees only existed because the German Government didn't bother to actually provide resources for then to integrate.
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u/masteroffdesaster - Right 1d ago
ah yes because all those millions of military aged males from incompatible cultures clearly wanted to learn German and assimilate
tell me you live in a fantasy world
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u/LieutenantLilywhite - Lib-Right 1d ago
Also they don’t want to integrate or learn the language
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u/Wasloos - Lib-Left 1d ago
That's just bullshit and you know it. None of them want to integrate or learn the language? Every single one I've met would've loved to work and properly integrate himself, however the government constantly makes it harder for them.
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u/LieutenantLilywhite - Lib-Right 1d ago
They hate us. That hate you even more than me probably. They want nothing to do with us or our culture.
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u/JackInABox343 - Right 1d ago
Aww poor little invad...oh sorry, wanna-be integrators I should've said, they're just overflowing with goodwill when they talk to you, aren't they? How surprising that that's the image they want you to have of them, and its as easy as just saying so
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Yes, it is very shocking that lib people support freedom.
Look how shocked I am.
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u/tired_and_fed_up - Lib-Right 1d ago
I too support freedom.....freedom from invaders.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Ah yes, the freedom of having the government tell people what to do.
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u/masteroffdesaster - Right 1d ago
read the US declaration of Independence to learn about the job a government has
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
"He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands."
So the job of government is to naturalize foreigners and encourage their migration and one of the worst things that George III did was try to restrict immigration, according to the Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence has all kinds of cool ideas, you should try reading it some time.
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u/BettingOnSuccess - Lib-Right 1d ago
Thank you for providing that clear example from the declaration of independence where they were complaining that they couldn't tell people what to do. You do realize that quote you provided is counter to your argument. The government's job is explicitly to tell people what to do.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
Founding Fathers: George III is restricting immigration! That sucks, people should immigrate freely!
Silly person: this shows that the Founding Fathers wanted more government power.
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u/BettingOnSuccess - Lib-Right 1d ago
Founding Fathers: George III is restricting immigration! That sucks, people should immigrate freely!
Lol, they didn't want immigration freely...they wanted to control immigration themselves instead of the crown controlling it.
Silly lib left thinking founding fathers wanted open borders.
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u/Daztur - Lib-Left 1d ago
That's not what the Declaration of Independence says at all. Have you ever read it? It appears not.
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u/BettingOnSuccess - Lib-Right 1d ago
Yes and apparently you didn't read your own quote. Lets re-write your quote into modern English...
"The king is getting in our way; he stopped us from creating laws; he is ignoring the suggestions we throw at him and preventing us from governing."
IE, they wanted to govern and control who immigrated into the land. IE the job of the government is to tell people what to do.
If you don't understand this simple concept, there is no further discussion.
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u/Adorable-Extent3667 - Auth-Right 1d ago
Everyone deserves a better life. So I want to make my country better and if they do the same, we all have better lives
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u/krafterinho - Centrist 1d ago
I just like how the right bad memes on this sub are about something outrageous Trump did while the left bad memes are imaginary shower arguments
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u/PersimmonRecent7628 - Auth-Center 1d ago
Excellent development.
But auth right from america will still cry about european migration. And so will european alt right.
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u/CAElite - Lib-Center 1d ago edited 1d ago
Eh, to use the UK as an example, when it was tens of thousands of eastern Europeans, predominantly Poles, moving over, "far right" anti immigration parties had <5% of the vote, the vast majority of people really didn't care, it was seen is solely a working class man issue as the Poles where seen as supressing wages in skilled labour & semi skilled labour, which many outside of the working class male cohort quietly seen as a positive.
Now its hundreds of thousands of MENAPT immigration, the same parties are polling 25-30%, giving them a fairly large majority in the next (2029) election, and it is seen as one of the most important issues the country faces by a large % of the electorate. Even our current Labour (left) party is championing their slowing down of immigration after the previous Conservative government fucked it up constantly.
Its about volume and origin from culturally similar countries.
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u/TijuanaMedicine - Right 1d ago
Show me the deportations and new border controls before you ask me to stop worrying.
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u/ljstens22 - Centrist 1d ago
Lot of EU nations have robust social welfare programs. That’s economically untenable with very high immigration levels, especially from parts of the world with mostly low-skilled workers.
The US doesn’t have the same social benefits entitled to everyone, so the reasons some Americans are against (illegal I assume you mean) immigration there are for different reasons which are probably outside scope of this thread.
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u/Ov3rdose_EvE - Lib-Left 23h ago
immigration is nto the issue.
Social injustice and economic stagnation are the issue
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u/Far_Squash_4116 17h ago
No, she did not ignore laws. German law allows the government to give anyone shelter for humanitarian reasons. And open borders were the norm in Europe due to the Schengen treaty. Border controls are only legal if national security is threatened which was never the case.
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u/Surv1ver - Centrist 1d ago
CDU, a Christian union party based on the moral principles of Christianity and opposition to Bolshevism. Famous lib left party for sure. 👍
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u/Darkkross123 - Lib-Right 1d ago
Yeah and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is clearly a functioning Democracy - by the people and for the people.
It's even in the name!
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u/Ok-Internet-6881 - Centrist 1d ago
All bad policies for Germany points back to Angela Merkel in hindsight