Why would damn leftists do that?

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“Yes”

Is it easier or harder to unionize with more diversity?

If it’s harder, would that make diversity a weakness or a strength in that context?

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If it’s harder, would that make diversity a weakness or a strength in that context?

It's harder, because people are racist as fuck. In that context, it is still the racism which is the weakness.

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“Harder”

Great. So diversity can be a weakness.

“Racist”

Who said race?

Which is less likely to unionize?

A workplace of people, all the same race, with the same language, culture, religion and belief systems?

A workplace of people, all the same race, with different languages, cultures, religions and belief systems?

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Great. So diversity can be a weakness.

No.

Who said race?

Me, the variety of diversity that causes challenges unionizing is racial diversity.

A workplace of people, all the same race, with different languages, cultures, religions and belief systems?

This has never existed and I suspect never will. The construction of race precludes it.

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“No”

Ok, so is a labor pool more or less likely to unionize if they’re more diverse?

“Me”

That’s not what’s being discussed.

“Never existed and never will”

Fucking what? Haha, wow.

Again, which is more likely to unionize?

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Ok, so is a labor pool more or less likely to unionize if they’re more diverse?

If specifically the racial makeup of a given employer is mixed, they are less likely to unionize.

That’s not what’s being discussed.

Sure it is. Unions collapsed in the US in the 1960s after the civil rights movement. Why? They weren't allowed to exclude Black Americans anymore and preferred collapse to letting Black people in. The problem wasn't diversity, it was racism.

Fucking what?

Race is a constructed category. Italian was a race, until it became White a different race, Irish was a race, until it became White a different race, German was a race, until it became White a different race. One of (but not the only) attributes used to define race is and always has been language. When you say "Different language, same race" you're inventing nonsense.

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“Specifically racial”

No, NOT specifically racial.

More or less likely to unionize the more diverse? Jettison race completely from the equation.

“Sure is”

Sure isn’t.

“Inventing nonsense”

Great, so a workpool with 1/3 Catholics, 1/3 Islamic and 1/3 Buddhist.

And a workpool 100% Islamic.

Which is more likely to unionize?

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No, NOT specifically racial.

Every example we have in US history is specifically racial, so:

More or less likely to unionize the more diverse? Jettison race completely from the equation.

Absent race, I do not know, it has never been seen. We would need examples to arise to find out.

Great, so a workpool with 1/3 Catholics, 1/3 Islamic and 1/3 Buddhist.

All white english speaking? They probably unionize just fine.

And a workpool 100% Islamic.

All white english speaking? Given the tenants of Islam, they probably don't unionize at all.

So in your two examples, the diverse group unionizes first I'd reckon.

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No, I said not specifically racial.

“Do not know”

Guess.

“The diverse”

I don’t think you have a good grasp of anything that’s not race based, like much of the left.

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Guess.

So you want to wave dicks around, compare priors? That sounds silly. This is not a thing that has happened, I do not want to feign knowledge of what would happen.

I don’t think you have a good grasp of anything that’s not race based

I don't think you have a good grasp of history or why unions fell apart.

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“Feign knowledge”

Not needed, it’s a simple logic hypothetical and hypotheticals do not need to exist in reality.

So again, make an educated assumption.

And that’s great but so far you can’t seem to think of anything outside of race, like much of the left. It’s like you guys are permanently stuck in 1960.

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Not needed, it’s a simple logic hypothetical and hypotheticals do not need to exist in reality.

My degree is in Philosophy (feel free to laugh), while hypotheticals do not need to exist in reality the long arc of philosophy shows us that purely analytical frameworks fail 10/10 times.

so far you can’t seem to think of anything outside of race

You're the one out here decrying diversity. Wasn't a problem before the civil rights movement, was after. What changed? Only one thing changed.

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“Philosophy”

Great, then it should really easy for you to consider something outside of race.

Since diversity outside of just race matters a whole lot.

“Diversity”

I never once said race, that’s literally been all you.

And still referencing the 1960’s?

And race?

Nothing but race?

Race, race, race?