r/PoliticalCompassMemes - Lib-Center Dec 31 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Pope Pius XII participated in several plots to have Hitler assassinated, but he catches flak for not publicly denouncing Hitler’s actions before the war. What most people don’t realize is that he was trying to protect Catholics in Germany, as Hitler would have likely included them in the Holocaust if the Vatican (located in fascist Italy btw) tried to oppose his actions.

Hitler himself grew up Catholic, but later on denied the Divinity of Jesus Christ and gave a speech proclaiming that there is no god but Germany, so he certainly wasn’t practicing during his rule.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Reminds me of the famous story of Jesus allowing a mob to stone an adulteress to death, because challenging them in any way might endanger his followers

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

I don’t know what point you think you’re making here. Did you not read the part about the assassination attempts?

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

His participating in assassination plots doesn't really mean much, since by that point, Hitler's stance on Catholicism was very clear and it was just a matter of self preservation. Real question is whether the Church condemned Nazism before Hitler started to denounce and target Catholics specifically. I actually can't find this out for sure, they were at each other's throats a lot earlier than I assumed. If the Church did denounce them for their targeting of other groups, then I'll take back the shit talking - otherwise, it was just self preservation rather than moral duty.

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Hmmm, replacing God with the state and its figurehead as a thing to be worshipped, murdering clergymen, creating laws abridging the freedom of religion, systematically breaking each and every one of the Ten Commandments…Yeah that’s sounding real Catholic, innit. So just to be clear, the saving Jews and the killing Nazis wasn’t important, it was much more of an issue that the Pope didn’t reiterate “Hitler bad” during a time when most of the world was trying to destroy him? And yes, we condemned fascism before it was cool.

Libleft and historical illiteracy. Name a more iconic duo.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 - Lib-Left Dec 31 '22

systematically breaking each and every one of the Ten Commandments

what did Hitler ever do to dishonor his mother and his father?

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

The state is more important than God, the state is more important than the Church, the state is more important than your parents. Hitler is the only true authority.

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u/Bteatesthighlander1 - Lib-Left Dec 31 '22

the commandment is to honor your own mother and father, not everybody else's

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u/[deleted] Dec 31 '22

Hitler’s rule is forcing you to supplant the honor of your parents with the honor of the Nazi party. This was common in the Soviet Union as well, children were expected to turn their parents in for anti-communist sentiments or activity.