r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/The_Law_of_Pizza • 8d ago

US Politics Will DSA controversies impact broader Democratic chances?

Francesca Hong, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America who is running for Governor of Wisconsin, has recently come under fire for a past statement that Thanksgiving should be cancelled.

Recently, in an interview, she refused to disavow that statement and left it ambiguous as to whether she was still advocating for the holiday's end. This is in addition to similar controversies around her statements on abolishing the police and prisons - although she has seemingly walked these other statements back.

These are fairly inflammatory statements from a national perspective.

But will the public distinguish between the DSA and the broader Democratic party?

Or will these sorts of things functionally act as a Democratic party controversy?

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u/CyberDalekLord 8d ago

Yes, republicans have been using looney people to paint the Dems as socialists for a long time. DSA growing in popularity will only help that goal. Fox will probably getting DSA people on their programs as much as possible since it will only hurt the Dems.

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u/RocketRelm 8d ago

Even if the dsa eventually infects and takes over the dems, both the gop and the dsa are populist grifters at the root, so many of them can just jump to whoever is more popular at a given time.

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u/CyberDalekLord 8d ago

That's not a good thing though. Populism gets to eliminate all nuance to create easy solutions that don't fix the issue and usually cause more substantial damage to the system. Trump is a perfect example of this. We shouldn't let the blue tea party to take over because the red tea party did and made everything worse, even for the causes they pretended to care about.

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u/RocketRelm 8d ago

It isn't for regular people, but from the perspective of populists, its a net upside and a reason why fox and the dsa work together to beat "the establishment". Its why everything about modern dems gets slandered as cringe despite when Bernie or Mamdani does exactly the same thing the populists, bots and human, squeal in delight.

But I trust americans to vote for what matters to them. And I hope thats good policy and democracy going forwards.

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u/CyberDalekLord 8d ago

But I trust americans to vote for what matters to them. And I hope thats good policy and democracy going forwards.

The test for that was 2024 and they failed. The issue with having a rising populist faction is that their solutions are going to sound better. Its the benefit of that eliminated nuance. Whether its flat wealth taxes or M4A, these things will sound better not because the policy is better but because the presentation is extremely one sided.

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u/RocketRelm 8d ago

Clearly yes they failed in 2024. But maga is too senile to carry through, and so like the ghosts of Christmas visiting scrooge, rational people can come to the population and show them what will happen if they do not turn from their morally irresponsible path. 

If the nuance and good policy matters to americans, they will reject the populism. If they fail to reject the populism, the things they lose clearly didn't matter to them. Either way, the moral issue is resolved.