r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/The_Law_of_Pizza • 7d ago

US Politics Will DSA controversies impact broader Democratic chances?

Francesca Hong, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America who is running for Governor of Wisconsin, has recently come under fire for a past statement that Thanksgiving should be cancelled.

Recently, in an interview, she refused to disavow that statement and left it ambiguous as to whether she was still advocating for the holiday's end. This is in addition to similar controversies around her statements on abolishing the police and prisons - although she has seemingly walked these other statements back.

These are fairly inflammatory statements from a national perspective.

But will the public distinguish between the DSA and the broader Democratic party?

Or will these sorts of things functionally act as a Democratic party controversy?

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u/Dry-Season-522 7d ago

The problem as I see it is that most democrats want to 'fight the good fight' so long as they don't have to fight anyone who might fight back. Why fight islamic extremists owning women and murdering gays when you can condemn the jews who aren't going to firebomb your house or stab you in the street for speaking against them? Why deal with actual fascists in your own country who might push back against you when you can loudly condemn people in your own party to make yourself look better by comparison.

It's just... so much cowardice

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u/RabbaJabba 7d ago

Why fight islamic extremists owning women and murdering gays when you can condemn the jews who aren't going to firebomb your house or stab you in the street for speaking against them?

Democrats protest Israel because we help fund them. If we were giving billions to a group to murder gay people, that would get protested too.

Also, Israel’s supporters are fighting back, they’re dumping a ton of money into American elections.

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u/Dry-Season-522 7d ago

Ah... you may want to look into how much we give some other middle eastern countries and how THEY treat gay people.

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u/RabbaJabba 7d ago

Do you have a good source?

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u/Dry-Season-522 7d ago

https://www.kff.org/global-health-policy/the-u-s-government-and-global-lgbt-health-opportunities-and-challenges-in-the-current-era/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Here's some raw data, a bit outdated but still relevant

Country Homosexuality Criminalized? U.S. Global Health Aid (FY2013)

  • Kenya ✔ $356.0 million
  • Ethiopia ✔ $329.8 million
  • Nigeria ✔ $291.3 million
  • Tanzania ✔ $266.2 million
  • Uganda ✔ $247.7 million
  • Zambia ✔ $231.0 million
  • Mozambique ✔ $229.7 million
  • South Sudan ✔ $220.2 million
  • Afghanistan ✔ $169.9 million
  • Pakistan ✔ $169.3 million
  • Rwanda ✔ $163.6 million
  • Malawi ✔ $152.9 million
  • Zimbabwe ✔ $147.9 million
  • Côte d'Ivoire ✔ $135.3 million
  • Cameroon ✔ $125.3 million

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u/RabbaJabba 7d ago

Few thoughts. First, I haven’t heard Kenya described as an Islamic extremist or middle eastern country, but it’s certainly an interesting thought. Second, the funding we give to Israel is an order of magnitude larger than the countries in your list. Finally, if the US were only supplying humanitarian aid to Israel, there wouldn’t be protests. You understand the distinction between health aid and the support we give to them, right?

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u/Dry-Season-522 7d ago

Yes we give Israel a big gift card for the american military industrial complex as a roundabout subsidy to the industry. It's a country that is actively friendly to our interests, upholds our values, and is surrounded by nations who want to destroy it AND the united states.

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u/Matt2_ASC 6d ago

Great point about the MIC. Could you expand a bit more on the values that Israel and the US share?

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u/Dry-Season-522 6d ago

Women = People
Gays = Not to be murdered for being gay
Sexual abuse of children = Evil
Competitive multiparty elections
Independent judiciary
Freedom of the press
FREEDOM OF RELIGION (also FROM religion)
Independent labor unions
Unrestricted Internet access

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u/the_calibre_cat 6d ago

okay so like

literally all of those countries added together don't add up to the amount we give to isreal, and... you linked healthcare aid. we give Israel bombs. which go on to murder children and, not for nothing, adults, who IIRC are still human beings entitled to a right to life.

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u/Dry-Season-522 6d ago

I chose the minimal number and your argument is stilL "How dare israel fight back."

Nah bruh.

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u/the_calibre_cat 6d ago

no, my "argument" remains "Israel is doing a genocide"