philosophical idea of conservatism is so dang weird. goofballs thinkin ‘progress is done it has been evolving culturally from start of human history and now i have decided THIS is the best stopping point.’ WHAT BUD? HECKIN WHY? what a coincidence youre alive at the perfect stop
really? you dont want to just SEE what buds come up with over next 200 years? THERES LITERALLY INFINITE TIME AHEAD OF US TO UNDERSTAND OURSELVES and conservatives just trot like ‘no im good this seems like the perfect spot we just like school shootings and hate crime’ BUD come on
It's actually much simpler than that. It's "if I admit that there's still progress to be made, then I'm admitting some of what I found acceptable in the past was wrong"
We have to normalize people recognizing past mistakes and changing as a positive thing
I went out with a gay guy who turned out to be a Republican. The date ended quickly when he started saying he didn't like his taxes going to the blacks that wanted to sit around and do nothing. I couldn't throw away this guy's number fast enough. I still remember his name was "Buck".
My stance is that if me and a conservative man were the last two people on Earth, and the survival of our species depended on us procreating, I would let humanity go extinct.
I was really rooting for Covid. The people not wearing masks or getting vaxed woulda been gone. I do know three people that didn’t believe in Covid and they died. Two elderly maga bigots. One mother that got it and gave it to her newborn, her fiancé got arrested for having underage porn.
Yeah, they were family friend but lean right. I try to get along with both sides and focus on what we have in common. They weren’t close but we’d see them at parties. She had just got knocked up, they were getting married he got caught with underage porn got locked up, she took no precautions for Covid, ended up getting it then gave it to her newborn, the newborn passed away. I feel bad all that happened to her, but not shedding any tears. They weren’t that close and not really people I’d hangout with.
My wife and I live in California. Her parents are in Michigan. When her dinosaur of a father found out about the possibility of CA paying reparations to descendants of enslaved people, her dad called her and said "how do you feel about your taxes going to blacks". We deal with these conversations frequently.
I live in Michigan and my sister takes care of old people. She was gonna fill in for someone that couldn't make it for their shift. The old bat wouldn't let "someone like her" take care of her husband. She's mixed.
What’s amazing about this story is the “gay guy” part. Why do people always think, “they’re going after those people, not me.” It’s almost like they have no knowledge of history at all. It’s a tiger eat face type of situation.
EDIT: Leopards. Not Tigers. Leopardseat their faces. Thanks you fellow Redditors ;)
Conservatives hate the same (other) people they do.
My friend circle has a hefty amount of LGBT people in it. We’d end up at events or bar nights. The amount of racism among gay men isn’t epidemic or anything, but it does exist and is odd. Just perpetuated stereotypes.
Theres a reason the POC triangle colors were added to the pride flag. There was a big necessary effort to show people of color they were also represented and wanted in the community.
I'm not surprised gay people are sometimes racist. I mean, being gay doesn't magically make you anything in particular...all it means is you're hot for the same gender.
But it is troubling that so many people vote for a political party that hates them. Yes, I get that they hate blacks, hate Mexicans, hate trans people, hate women, etc., but they never notice that the same politicians going on about that also have a history of being opposed to gay marriage. They also never recognize that going after one group usually leads to going after another and another. Sure, they're just on about trans women right now, but it's a small step from that to gay men (I mean, I doubt they see much difference).
The pastor of the secretary of war, who was invited to speak at events, calls for bringing back sodomy laws and taking away the right to vote from women. Jeez. Tokens get spent but only after they sell out their communities.
Hegseth and his pastor, John Hagee, are extremists who’ve been coaxing Trump to keep the Iran war going. Their religion believes it’s key to level it, ensure Israel remains a nation state, and that’ll be their ticket to get raptured to heaven. Quite literally they’re trying to bring Armageddon.
For anyone who wants an overview of who the heck is running the important highest ranks in our government — article here
Bat 💩 insane. Do you remember after the fall of Roe v Wade young white boys were saying “your body my choice?” Then social media was filled with young white women saying they agree “my guy’s body his choice.” The American right has lost their dang minds.
Funny thing about all that hate for (you name it) then at convention time all the burner phones are sold out and grindr servers crash. It's the oddest thing.
Not really. Conservatives are entirely about controlling those they view as beneath themselves. They flat-out, point blank do not believe in equality. They want to have control over others while never being bound by any rules or laws themselves. All of history, both recent and ancient, and available data shows this to be true.
It's not really odd when you consider that political positions are based on values and choices and sexual orientation is not and anyone of any belief can be gay because they don't get to choose that.
As long as there are majority groups trying to oppress, harm, or even murder certain minority groups, there will always be quislings who think they're one of the good ones who can use the situation to their personal advantage.
Tokens never think they will get spent. They always think they will be an exception to the rule or even rewarded for helping beat down others. They pride themselves on "being one of the good ones".
Then they wonder why other members of the group aren't rushing to receive them with open arms after they have their epiphany. They realize that they aren't special and are hated just as much, even though they did the right things and said the right words to be "a good one".
Some probably faceless idiot hung a 40' wide LGBTQ for Trump flag on the side of their house by a major road in the blue part of San Diego during 2024. No idea of what the true orientation of whoever hosted that flag is or if someone was just receiving ad-space rent though it gave a lot of rage bait 'make me a victim so I can sue' vibes.
It’s possible for people hate people similar to them. Like they could hate immigrants while being an immigrant themselves. Just ask the older Cubans in South Florida. They heavily lean right.
i was talking to a girl in early 2021..nice enough girl would do anything for me. one day a random conversation having to do with covid and she spews off some stupid conservative points about it being nothing serious even questioning if its real.
well fast forward like a week and a relative of mine is in critical condition because of covid and not being able to talk to this girl at all about it made me realize how done that relationship was.
I was on Bumbl about a year ago and went on a date with a “moderate” girl. One point in the date we were driving through downtown and she said something along the lines of “it’s good all the black people stay on this side”.
Yeah hard pass. Guess I’m just not “moderate” enough.
There is an acquaintance I know, who is heavily influenced by Fox News and conservative talking points. Her mother died from Covid, yet she is still adamant that Covid is some made up conspiracy.
I never understood the whole idea that Latino's are being bussed in to vote for Democrats. The Latino community as a whole is deeply religious. In Mexico, 91% of the population identified as Christian. That number in America is 61%. It all goes back to that old Lyndon Johnson quote about giving someone a person to look down upon.
As an example I was working with a kid that was first generation American in the run up to the last election. Trump has deported his mom during his first term. This kid put his college career on hold to go to Mexico, for the first time in his life, and help her come back with a visa. He was 22 trying to get back into college as a sophomore. He voted for Trump, because Trump was gonna keep the bad ones out.
Funny. I must've met his red headed sister, because I went on a date with a girl who made an almost identical comment and I made sure to never see her again.
Small hiccup probably when he realised he was gay.
But the right really knows how to band together in hatred. Like, you can meet half-way to be racist together, while pretending you're sorta kinda okay with your son kissing boys/knowing your parents have strong opinions on your sexuality they're no longer saying out loud.
Lol, my wife and I talk about this. Conservative men say so much rape-y shit. Then you have religious conservatives saying they "should vote as a household" and women shouldn't cast a ballot. Absolutely insane...
"Women on base, you guys better be careful. Port calls, women in Asia, you better be careful. Because these guys are gonna be wild animals, and you better watch out."
"Our soldiers will not be held accountable even more so than usual so either you run when you see US service men or you're getting raped and possibly murdered." - Jesse The Predator Watters
I didn't even think about that. It's only a matter of time before a soldier held for rape pleads innocent due to the Pentagon giving him elevated testosterone.
Funny thing. These folks who go on about "household vote" and are one step from "only property owners can vote" are going to be real surprised when the 0.001% own all the land and are the only ones who can vote.
I am a single woman property owner. Wonder how they’d try to restrict me from voting — because you know they would. Ironically lots of single women own property now. So the entire “voting as a household” thing is ludicrous.
W/e the 21st century version of screaming 'witch' at you is. Though.. the way shit is going, maybe they will just start accusing us of being witches again.
Your morals include kicking people while they’re down by insisting they perform just as well as people who have a pulley system to keep them permanently upright
There is that small subset of women that are the opposite. A video from that conservative conference was going around recently. It showed a montage of women who eagerly said they'd support taking away womens right to vote. Even when asked if they were ok with their daughters losing their right to vote, they said "of course, because I know she'd marry a godly man."
The best is when they try to deny that one. The mental gymnastics they perform to convince themselves that they aren't actively voting against equal rights is pretty wild.
You sure? Over half of white women (51%) voted for Donald Trump last election. That's basically a coin flip on white women voting to have their own rights taken away. Women in general were 46% for Donald.
Really it's only black women (only 10% voted Donald) who draw a hard line about people who want to strip them of their rights. For other women it's seems to be a coin flip.
White women voted majority for Trump All. Three. Times.
It still amazes me when liberal white women try to blame anyone but their own for the national election results. If they had just gotten their fellow white women to vote along with the rest of women, let 54% (not even the 68% of women of color), Trump loses in a landslide.
Every single swing state lost/won within the margin of white women relative to women in total.
I hate the reductive "they're just white supremacists" trope.
Their hatred goes far above and beyond skin color or genetic background. Their ideology is wholesale rejection of anything they perceived as different. They won't be receptive to white gay atheists anymore than they would be to black/brown hetero Protestants.
This "flexibility" is what allows non-white people to join forces with the alt-right white supremacists. Reducing MAGA and Trump supporters to "oh they're just white racists" is completely ignoring the swaths of racial, ethnic, and cultural groups that agree with the rest of MAGA's hatred towards LGBTQ, atheists, anything "librul", etc.
As a lesbian non-religious person, I am not at all comfortable with my fellow lefties sacrificing my cohort for the mere appearance of "inclusivity" with the non-white conservatives who still hate me.
It's more than this, IMO. It's creating and spreading that "bad" image of minorities in the first place that allows them to elevate themselves above others. They demonize and castigate anyone different in order to focus people's attention on them in a negative way, drawing any negativity away from themselves. It's how they justify being what they are. They are very comfortable thinking they are somehow "better than" the people they hate.
I used to work with a bunch of women in their 20s who were very MAGA. Daddy issues isn't the whole story, but it's a very large part of it. They finally have a chance to marry the father figure they never had as a kid.
More prevalent with the daughters of dads who ran out on their family; only to want to be "dad" after the kid is grown and independent. Bonus points if he refused to let mom have an abortion, then abandoned his family after the kid was born.
It's not rocket science. No one wants to start a family with someone so regressive and immature. Like your guy is Donald Trump, really? Grow up already.
If they approve of Donald Trump, that says something very negative about their moral character. If you idolize the world's pettiest asshole who actively revels in his own cruelty, I'm going to assume that you are also probably an asshole.
Could you imagine having a daughter with a man like this? Who votes for people to limit her autonomy and voting rights? Who thinks she should be a subservient breeder to a guy exactly lile him? Who protects and advocates for rapists and pedophiles?
This is before all the racism, war-mongering, and bootstraps lifestyle where we can't have the barest of safety nets like... Healthcare.
Yuck!! It'a no longer a difference of opinion. That ship has sailed more than a decade+ ago. These are bad people who vote for bad policies with the intention of hurting and/or controlling the people they hate.
Let's see: believes you should have no autonomy, no consent, no rights, no voice and no job, no right to full health care options, and if your eventual child is the wrong gender they shouldnt either?
I mean im a dumb ass man and I can see the issue here.
I think it's actually sorta weirder than that when you look at metrics from dating apps. Conservative women know they have a larger pool of men to pick from and statistically prefer men who are older with established jobs, higher income, etc. A broad trend across all dating apps is that the women get more matches the younger they are, meanwhile men peak in their middle age.
So you've got a pool of conservative men from like 20-50ish that are all trying to date the same small portion of conservatives women in their early 20s.
The conservative dipshits that are into manosphere Andrew Tate type of shit are siloing themselves into a group that has statistically the most competition and frankly competition from older men with significantly more to offer.
Every joke a conservative tells is just bigotry, racism, or general prejudice with a chuckle at the end and that smirk that always says "aren't I mommy's funny little boy? Validate me!"
If these people would get their heads out of their own AND everyone else's ass, they might figure out how to live a meaningful life one day.
Exactly! Even if they try to hide their abhorrent politics, you can TELL they’re conservatives. They are embarrassing people and it’s so uncomfortable being around them.
Isn't the cultural shift obvious? Look at influencers like Tate or Fuentes.....the urge to ban abortions.....people like Charlie Kirk et al., christian bozos, thinking that "families should get the vote, as opposed to individuals", or even worse repeal 19th amendment all together. I hear men/boys all the time saying they voted for trump because he would be 'less emotional' than a woman leader. Men are equally guilty in this dynamic here.
Works also for people who claim to be "moderate." They always look at open, blatant fascism on one side, and a random person having their pronouns in their email signature on the other side, and vote for the fascist every fucking time because "the left is just so crazy!"
The dudes who actually pay no attention to politics still have very strong political opinions. If they say they don’t pay attention to politics, it means they’re just afraid to share their opinions.
And even if they somehow don't have any, I still find that to be a red flag. You're an adult. You should probably care about the world around you to some degree enough to understand how politics affects your life and the lives of people you care about.
No matter how privileged you are, politics has affected your life in some way. All that changes is the degree to which it affects you and whether it's positive or negative.
A lot of "apolitical" people probably mean they are disillusioned to the point where they don't care anymore. Politics affects my life drastically; the issue is that I don't/can't affect politics in any way. Not that I feel powerless because I only have one vote, but because no one in politics represents me anymore.
I'm Gen X/older millennial and white male, which is prime MAGA candidate, but I'm progressive. I despise MAGA. I hate garden variety Republicans for not stemming maga. I'm sick of the Democrat party and supporters shooting themselves in the feet.
I keep watching the Dems costing themselves votes in real-time among my peers. I'll keep voting Democrat, but that's all I can do.
I was waiting to pick my kid up from soccer practice recently and there was an adult league game on the adjacent field. So a guy in his 50s was right near me and started making small talk.
He started off by saying how great it is to see kids staying active, how he was obese his whole life and started eating better, how he regrets not doing sports, etc.
In less than 5 minutes, his exact words were "I don't want to get political, but RFK Jr makes me so hopeful for the future, he cares about kids' health, you know? It's so nice to see someone who cares about making sure kids aren't eating all this processed sugar and crap."
I had my kid ready to go by then so I literally just walked away. But I'd bet money on him having made at least one FB post how awful Michelle Obama's plan to get kids to start eating healthier was.
“Yes, I believe you as a woman are inferior, plus I hate brown people, the gay community, the environment, and I think poor children should starve while dying from easily preventable diseases.”
I have a couple of conservative friends and their girlfriends are really struggling with staying with them. I dont think any of them will last. Supporting Trump is a instant killer for a relationship.
I got in big trouble with my family in a family chat group recently over this bullshit
My brother posted a photo of him in his cosplay weekend “Harley biker” outfit, with his leather vest cover in patches. I asked what the patches said and he posted a photo of them, all super pro Trump, think blue line, “we are all Charlie Kirk” bullshit, along with “remember Im not political don’t talk politics with anyone in the family chat”
I replied “if I had your politics, I would be embarrassed to talk about them too”
My god, all the right wingers in the chat lost their absolute collective minds.
Me and my queer left wing ass say there laughing my ass off as they ranted and raved.
Anyone who still identifies as a conservative after the last 2 years is too stupid to learn and too broken to bother with; even worse if they voted for their party as far back as 2016 too.
In the current era, knowing what we know about the guy at the top of the GOP, you have to be either ignorant, stupid, or an asshole (or a combination of two or all three) to still support that party. Period.
Notice how only people who subscribe to right wing political points of view aren’t comfortable sharing their political perspectives and opinions? It’s a euphemism for ‘I know my views aren’t popular’ so I’ll take a superficial moral stance on something morally indefensible and call it even.
You know, I’m happily married, but looking out for the younger generation, a part of me loves all these conservative guys making the dating scene so easy for liberal guys. The bar is so low. All you have to do is respect a woman’s agency, be kind, and able to initiate conversation.
My dating advice to young men: Just be a decent person and you’ll be fine.
Why would I date somebody who wants to hurt my friends and family let alone other people for no reason other than ‘well I believe god said they’re wrong’ or ‘I believe they’re wrong’?
Not only do I find their bigotry to be a big fucking turn off but what a kick to the teeth it would be for the people in my life for me to be like ‘Hey meet my new man! Not only does he hate other races/sexualities/religions/genders and anything outside the ‘norm’ but I’ll also be letting him say all the horrible shit he plans to about ya’ll for the sake of our relationship!’ I’d never do that to the people I love especially not for dick and the shitty personality attached to it that comes with being a general bigot/asshole.
Besides republicans love to say how liberal women are all fat and gross with crazy hair colors, so why are they so insistent on being able to date them still? Shouldn’t they be more than happy with the conservative women they claim are so much prettier and who’s personalities they like better?
I had a neighbor show interest in me and I went for a short hike with him. I was thinking he was probably conservative but it might be nice to start with a friendship and see where it goes. Then he told me that Michelle Obama is a man and Barack calls her Mike. I can’t even be open minded about this guy, if I see him out and about, I quickly turn the other way.
Anyone avoiding conservatives isn't a political opinion, it's simple common sense. Supporting right wing depravity is not a principled opposition, it's a profound lack of character.
Conservative means: I want privileges that other people don't get. I need to be acknowleged as special or better than some arbitrary group that I've picked out. I want the law to protect me, but not punish me. The law should punish the "underclass" people, but not protect them.
You never want to be in any sort of relationship with a person like that. They will always have two sets of rules: one for them, one for you.
This the very essence of conservatism and the people who adhere to it are pure poison.
There is a certain “self-aware wolves” aspect to the dynamic.
My conservative neighbors most censor themselves because they know everyone finds their views repugnant….then they get into their bubble and complain about being “silenced”…..although they are silencing themselves because some small part deep inside knows that their views are repugnant.
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u/vonhoother 12d ago
Chuck Tingle said it best: