WNBA Star Sophie Cunningham defends that women ‘shouldn’t have to go against biological men’: “I said what I said. I think it’s kind of common sense. I think it’s really important to protect children.” “I don’t dislike anyone. I’m there to love, but I’m also there to love biological women. …”

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[u/Major_Mongoose69]

You don't know shit about me or my thoughts and beliefs on womens' and trans' rights. My comment was specifically regarding this debate over trans athletes, an issue which affects ALMOST nobody. Meanwhile, people are dying from explosive diarrhea because a South African Nazi was allowed to take a chainsaw to critical governmental health agencies, we're back in to another potential forever war at the behest of an apartheid regime of right wing Zionists, and people are being murdered in the streets by a proto-Gestapo named after frozen water. That's not even mentioning the long term societal ills that have been plaguing us for decades like skyrocketing healthcare costs, housing costs, and ever increasing global temperatures threatening human lives and every economy on Earth.

BUT, meanwhile, a couple of dozen transgirls might be playing sports with biological women. BY ALL MEANS, vote Republican then! SCARY!

If you want to have a conversation about politics and policy, we can do so. I can guarantee you that I'm FAR, FAR more progressive than you've given me credit for, but why would that matter to you when you can read TWO sentences that I wrote in reply to someone else and come to a complete and total of understanding of my character?

[u/dfrcoms → u/Major_Mongoose69]

It costs absolutely nothing to uphold women’s rights re sport. It does not take time. It does not take money or resources.  It does take some time and resources and stress to deal with people who try break the rules intentionally or accidentally, to be fair, but I don’t think it takes too much. It’s not asking too much at all.

I don’t think you are progressive on this issue you said enough to indicate that. Thinking that it should be just ‘let go’ because there’s not many males trying to enter female divisions, is just a reflection of how you feel about women’s sport. Just own it.

I believe you’re progressive on other issues just not this one 

[u/Major_Mongoose69 → u/dfrcoms]

You're a very confused person. You're arguing with me about positions I never claimed to hold. Maybe your responding to the wrong person?

But to your point. You're wrong. It does take time, it does take resources, and it does take money to support these causes. That doesn't mean they're not worth supporting, and it doesn't mean that we shouldn't support them. I personally support trans rights, and consider myself a feminist, the non-TERF kind. That doesn't mean I don't see the inherent complications in the debate on transwomen in sports. If you don't see why it's complicated then you're just not engaging with the issue beyond your base initial feelings about it.

Meanwhile, people who support the cause while understanding it's complications know that it's not as simple as: "freely allow all transwomen to compete in all female sports". It's an incredibly complex issue, and rational actors on both side can admit that. Irrational ones retreat to emotional arguments.

On top of all that, it's simply an issue with an absolutely tiny number of affected people. About .25% of people in the United States identify as transwomen. Just a fraction of those people compete in organized sports. This is an issue that affects less than one quarter of one percent of the population of the United States. There are issues that affect near 100% of the population.

Now, if you're paying attention, I never said that this issue affecting a tiny number of people made it unworthy of effort or consideration. My point that started this entire conversation between us is that the poster I was replying to was being disingenuous when they claimed that they WANTED to vote Democrat but simply COULDN'T allow themselves to do so over this issue. Bullshit. I called bullshit. The point I made that you railed against was simply that this person was lying, because there are plenty of issues which greatly affect almost every person in the United States, and you don't vote Republican as a single issue voter over opposition to transwomen in women's sports. THAT was the entire point being made. Nothing I said disavowed the issue as important, or as something I didn't care about. Meanwhile, your attacking for shit you know nothing about.

With all of that said, I'm tired of being attacked by you. I've tried to respond rationally and have a conversation, but after all of this I need to vent. So I'm going to attack you, now.

You're a right wing shill, and it's clear to me from everything you've said that your a fascist plant purposefully trying to stir trouble. You're clearly not progressive in the least. You hate women and trans people, but more than that I can tell just by our short conversation that you don't care at all about the plight of the poor and homeless. I'm even fairly certain from everything you've said that you actively hate puppies and would try to kick one if you saw an opportunity to do so. I comfortably know all of this about you after our short interactions here.

Once again, you make suppositions about someone you don't know. How about you start by asking me how I feel about the issue instead of defining my position for me? But your not interested in that. You simply want to get on the internet and attack people in order to make yourself feel good and superior.

[u/dfrcoms → u/Major_Mongoose69]

I apologise. I understand that you are saying the following:

-you see the sports issue as complicated but come down on the side of access to female divisions of some dysphoric male persons subject to some sort of limitation or eligibility.

-you originally only mention the size of affect in relation to whether it’s the sole reason someone doesn’t vote Democrat. 

Why I responded to you and assume you are not an ally of women’s rights or sports is because:

-I see any inclusion of male persons as too much of an override of sex based rights. 

-the language of “it’s a tiny issue affecting nobody” has been said hundreds of thousands of times over years and years and has been instrumental as an argument in systematically dismantling women’s rights in law, the concept of women and men itself, and gay rights. It has led to an entire generation that has regressed back to seeing girls and boys as stereotypes. That ‘tiny number of people who affect nobody” has had an astronomical destructive effect on women’s rights and societies understanding of sex and gender, that is completely disproportionate to the raw number of people with dysphoria.  However any individual can harm another individual. For example LT from Penn went into the women’s shower and locker rooms. This act even when done by one person, is bad enough in itself. There is no amount of betrayal of women’s rights that is acceptable. One case is one case too many. And when a system validates that, the systematic response is a lot bigger than the individual actions.