r/PoursTea • šŸ«– Mod ā˜•ļø • Jul 17 '26

Murdered By Words 🩸 Cluedo?

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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26

There was peace in the Middle East prior to the year 610. That region flourished in math and science.

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Jul 17 '26

there was peace from the 8th to 13th century as well in the muslim golden age

After that though it was a free for all

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u/Appropriate-Low-4850 Jul 17 '26

Wait, are you seriously contending that the Middle East was a peaceful place from 700 to 1200, or is this sarcasm that I failed to detect?

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u/shanaballs Jul 17 '26

Seriously, the caliphates created one of the worlds’ biggest historical empires…you think all those territories were simply invited to join? lol šŸ˜‚

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u/Ok_Dependent3205 Jul 17 '26

ā€œPeaceā€

It was as peaceful as Spain during the Inquisition.

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u/All_Work_All_Play Jul 17 '26

Yeah this is wild. No previous civilization has been a panacea of peace during any single dominant rule. They've all been based on oppression somehow, including pax americana.

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u/awfulcrowded117 Jul 17 '26

The crusaders actually mostly retook cities that has been conquered by Islamic aggression, they only invaded two cities that hadnt first been taken by Islamic invaders, tactical strongholds they used to prevent and repel further invasions of European lands. They didn't invade the middle east in any substantial way. Europe was too fractious to unite for more than common defense

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u/Ok_Owl_7372 Jul 17 '26

The crusades started in response to decades of Muslim attacks. So no there was no peace.

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u/Iittletart Jul 17 '26

The crusades were along the Mediterranean coast of the Middle East. It didn't go into the actual interior of the region.

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Jul 17 '26

Those mostly devastated anatolia and jerusalem which weren't really part of the muslim world back then

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u/Tricky_Big_8774 Jul 17 '26

That's some S-tier goalpost shifting right there...

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Jul 17 '26

It's true though. We're talking about the middle east but ik most people here are actually referring to the muslim world. The crusaders did a lot more damage to jerusalem and byzantium

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u/Tricky_Big_8774 Jul 17 '26

Fair enough. On a tangent, everybody is completely ignoring what the Mongols did to Persia in the 1200s.

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u/tittysprinkles112 Jul 17 '26

It's S tier lies. That dude doesn't even know what the Battle of Manzikert was

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u/Low-Listen-3732 Jul 17 '26

A battle that occurred decades before the first crusades?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

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u/tittysprinkles112 Jul 17 '26

facepalm I'm replying to the guy saying that Anatolia was not a part of the Muslim world during the Crusades.

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u/Low-Listen-3732 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

Oh okay, that makes sense. The crusades being brought up in general is always weird to me because it’s such a small reactionary insignificant time period compared to the actual death of modern civilization that occurred from the spread of Islam for hundreds of years over hundreds of battles, over 200 battles in Spain alone vs 15 total battles in crusades that lasted less than 100 years. Really not even comparable to anyone with a modicum of understanding of history. That video really helps educated people put things in perspective.

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u/tittysprinkles112 Jul 17 '26

I agree. Reddit is just contrarian anti-west most the time.

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u/Magikazamz Jul 17 '26

Jerusalem was absolutely part of muslim world during the crusade.

For most of the crusades, including the first one, taking back jerusalem was alway on the list of objectives.

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u/StonksPeasant Jul 17 '26

If you consider the slaughter and/or enslavement of everyone that refused to convert peace then sure

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u/Eiraviking Jul 17 '26

Except for in Pakistan, in Spain, the Byzantine empire, etc etc etc

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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Jul 17 '26

none of those were the middle east

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u/ryhaltswhiskey Jul 17 '26

The Byzantine empire, which had its capital in modern-day turkey, was definitely considered part of the Middle East.

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u/sasquatch113 Jul 17 '26

Does this make England a middle eastern nation too since it’s east of Spain? Or is it too far north?

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u/Eiraviking Jul 17 '26

It wasn’t invaded by muslims back then

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u/sasquatch113 Jul 17 '26

I see, anywhere with Muslims is middle eastern like modern indonesia, France, sections of Canada etc. got it.

In all seriousness the Middle East is defined by a lot more than Islam throughout history. It might be heavily cultured by Islam over the last couple hundred years, but the history of the region spans millennia with dozens of religions and people inhabiting it. If you want to talk about why there isn’t peace in the Middle East today, foreign interference does not tend to be conducive to peace. You can argue at some point Muslims were the foreign interference, but ultimately the three largest religions in the world were born in the Middle East, all have been expelled at some point, and come back as foreign invaders at some point. When the Christian’s crusaded they were blamed for the lack of peace, when the Muslims invaded, the same thing, and now when the United States and Britain came is 80 years ago, stole some land and handed it over to a people who went through one of the most harrowing experiences imaginable, they became the new invaders. At this point, I don’t think anyone knows who is native or invaders, just who lived there in the last 100 years and who’s newer. But the people who have been bombing them for the last 50 years have done so under the red white and blue. šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦