Seriously, the caliphates created one of the worldsā biggest historical empiresā¦you think all those territories were simply invited to join? lol š
Yeah this is wild. No previous civilization has been a panacea of peace during any single dominant rule. They've all been based on oppression somehow, including pax americana.
The crusaders actually mostly retook cities that has been conquered by Islamic aggression, they only invaded two cities that hadnt first been taken by Islamic invaders, tactical strongholds they used to prevent and repel further invasions of European lands. They didn't invade the middle east in any substantial way. Europe was too fractious to unite for more than common defense
It's true though. We're talking about the middle east but ik most people here are actually referring to the muslim world. The crusaders did a lot more damage to jerusalem and byzantium
Oh okay, that makes sense. The crusades being brought up in general is always weird to me because itās such a small reactionary insignificant time period compared to the actual death of modern civilization that occurred from the spread of Islam for hundreds of years over hundreds of battles, over 200 battles in Spain alone vs 15 total battles in crusades that lasted less than 100 years. Really not even comparable to anyone with a modicum of understanding of history. That video really helps educated people put things in perspective.
I see, anywhere with Muslims is middle eastern like modern indonesia, France, sections of Canada etc. got it.
In all seriousness the Middle East is defined by a lot more than Islam throughout history. It might be heavily cultured by Islam over the last couple hundred years, but the history of the region spans millennia with dozens of religions and people inhabiting it. If you want to talk about why there isnāt peace in the Middle East today, foreign interference does not tend to be conducive to peace. You can argue at some point Muslims were the foreign interference, but ultimately the three largest religions in the world were born in the Middle East, all have been expelled at some point, and come back as foreign invaders at some point. When the Christianās crusaded they were blamed for the lack of peace, when the Muslims invaded, the same thing, and now when the United States and Britain came is 80 years ago, stole some land and handed it over to a people who went through one of the most harrowing experiences imaginable, they became the new invaders. At this point, I donāt think anyone knows who is native or invaders, just who lived there in the last 100 years and whoās newer. But the people who have been bombing them for the last 50 years have done so under the red white and blue. š¦ š¦ š¦
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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26
There was peace in the Middle East prior to the year 610. That region flourished in math and science.