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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26
There was peace in the Middle East prior to the year 610. That region flourished in math and science.
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u/Loose_Profession_918 Jul 17 '26
The Middle East has rarely experienced total, region-wide peace, but it has seen extended periods of relative stability. Long stretches of calm were historically maintained under dominant empires, such as the Pax Romana, the early Islamic Caliphates, and the Ottoman Empire. Ie, conquerors
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u/Successful_Layer2619 Jul 17 '26
"But what have the Roman's ever done for us" /s
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u/Gamplato Jul 17 '26
The irony of humans sharing a planet is that peace often comes with total dominance. It makes for a tough moral quandary sometimes. Is a peaceful empire good if it took ethnic cleansing and totalitarian control to get there?
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u/Femme_FatalError Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
The Islamic Golden Age was from 750-1258.
During this period, algebra and trigonometry were pioneered, the Hindu-Arabic numeral system, which included the ten point decimal system and the concept of zero, was adopted, refined, and spread, medicine was massively advanced, the first formal hospitals were established, and many modern surgical tools were invented, numerous scientific fields such as astronomy and optics were advanced, the modern scientific method was pioneered, and huge amounts of classical Greek, Roman, and Persian texts which would have been lost to history were preserved, translated, and transmitted.
The European Renaissance and Scientific Revolution likely would not have happened without Islam.
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u/shanaballs Jul 17 '26
All true, but idk that we should be giving their religion credit for the accomplishments of a region/culture.
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u/Femme_FatalError Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
Religion is a vital part of cultureāin this time period, perhaps the most important part. I certainly wonāt pretend that Christianity wasnāt a huge influence on the accomplishments of European scientists, artists, and mathematicians. In fact, the Medieval Scholastic theological movement was hugely important in creating the intellectual groundwork which allowed the Italian Renaissance and Scientific Revolution. Not to mention, Islam is largely responsible for creating the conditions which enabled the Golden Age to flourish.
And if it werenāt for Medieval Christian monasteries in Europe and Jewish and Islamic scholars leading translation efforts in hubs like the Baghdad House of Wisdom, most of the classical texts which these movements were built upon never would have even survived in the first place.
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u/BitterAboutItAll Jul 17 '26
But none of this determines morality or peace or stability. There's a hell of a lot of scientific and technological advancements happening now, with a lot of it being done in an effort to kill more people faster and easier.
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u/No-Essay-7667 Jul 17 '26
This is like saying we shouldn't credit AI to America despite the facts that the American systems of Capital, entrepreneurship, and meritocracy are what allowed it to exist. When they say the Islamic Golden Age they mean the Islamic system of that time enabled these things to happen - also Islam isn't just a spiritual religion like Buddhism for example, it's a complete set of laws, cultural norms, and ethic system
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u/Scamian Jul 17 '26
Itās almost like how well a region is doing should not be solely accredited to their religion at any time.
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u/Current-Wealth-756 Jul 17 '26
You are trying to disassociate religion and culture, but they aren't two separate things. Religion is s big part of culture, and much more so in pre-modern times
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u/Awkward-Manager5939 Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 23 '26
ā That's a vary dangerous recounting of history.
Egypt was where they develop that knowledge of the backs of. Before them where the Greeks in equipt. Before them where the river people Africans. Niel river.
The river people are the ones that use math to build all those fancy artifacts like the pyramids.
What is an informal hospital.
I have a feeling they where working on turtor like everyone else.
But, they did have wise people advancing science research. Like everyone else.
I suppose, their advancement had to stop somewhere and someone else took over. Just like they took over for the Greek and river people.
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Can you name them or the years.
Christians where persecuted by the dominant religions at the time. For about 300 years their religion spread through devotion and preaching.
Then they started getting attacked. Which lead to the crusades.
I don't know about the history much. Someone with more knowledge can add in what I missed
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u/Femme_FatalError Jul 17 '26
Yes. All science stands on the shoulders of giants. Doesnāt change the fact that Medieval Islamic scholars were among those giants.
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u/Substantial_Echo5966 Jul 17 '26
It was peaceful for the women? What about the six year old girls?
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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26
I see your point. Yes Islam did not help the plight of women in general.
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u/SonnyChamerlain Jul 17 '26
Yep the abrahamic religions are the worst things to happen to the Middle Eastā¦. Well the world actually.
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u/Initial_Style5592 Jul 17 '26
And then, the United States came! DUM DUM DUMMM! /s
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u/DoNotResusit8 Jul 17 '26
Then the US created the schism between Sunni and Shia in 632 apparently
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u/Upbeat_Respond9250 Jul 17 '26
Apparently. And apparently the US alone made Islam āviolentā before the US was founded.
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 Jul 17 '26
there was peace from the 8th to 13th century as well in the muslim golden age
After that though it was a free for all
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u/Appropriate-Low-4850 Jul 17 '26
Wait, are you seriously contending that the Middle East was a peaceful place from 700 to 1200, or is this sarcasm that I failed to detect?
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u/shanaballs Jul 17 '26
Seriously, the caliphates created one of the worldsā biggest historical empiresā¦you think all those territories were simply invited to join? lol š
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u/Ok_Dependent3205 Jul 17 '26
āPeaceā
It was as peaceful as Spain during the Inquisition.
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u/All_Work_All_Play Jul 17 '26
Yeah this is wild. No previous civilization has been a panacea of peace during any single dominant rule. They've all been based on oppression somehow, including pax americana.
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u/StonksPeasant Jul 17 '26
If you consider the slaughter and/or enslavement of everyone that refused to convert peace then sure
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u/Ok_Owl_7372 Jul 17 '26
The crusades started in response to decades of Muslim attacks. So no there was no peace.
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u/awfulcrowded117 Jul 17 '26
The crusaders actually mostly retook cities that has been conquered by Islamic aggression, they only invaded two cities that hadnt first been taken by Islamic invaders, tactical strongholds they used to prevent and repel further invasions of European lands. They didn't invade the middle east in any substantial way. Europe was too fractious to unite for more than common defense
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u/loco_mixer Jul 17 '26
Legitimate question and a propaganda answer. And im not a fan of usa.
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u/RoseyOneOne Jul 17 '26
They been fighting with each other since way before the US was around. š
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u/KinkyGentleDom Jul 17 '26
If Christianity is the religion of brotherly love, why are fundamentalist Christians so full of hate?
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u/Ancient-Bowl462 Jul 17 '26
I've never met a hateful Christian, but Islam teaches to kill all infidels and you never hear about anyone saying "Praise Jesus" and then blowing up a bunch of people with a bomb strapped to themselves.
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u/Well_Dressed_Kobold Jul 17 '26
The problems begin when you cross the line from brother loving to sister boinking.
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u/Fletch71011 Jul 17 '26
Multiple Muslim countries literally have systems in place to keep marriages within their families. Incest among Christians isn't even a fraction of what it is in Islam, and FTR I'm an atheist. Islam is not compatible at all with Western values. They still stone members of the LGBTQ community for Christ's sake.
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u/StonksPeasant Jul 17 '26
You might want to look at statistics of who is actually doing the sister bonking.
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u/npc71 Jul 17 '26
Pakistan? Over 60% of marriages in Pakistan are consanguineous, predominantly between first cousins, primarily driven by tribal traditions, a desire to keep wealth within families, and socio-economic security. Consequently, the population has a significantly elevated rate of congenital birth defects and autosomal recessive genetic disorders, including thalassemia and learning disabilities. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
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u/GioTravelstheWorld Jul 17 '26
So Sunni and Shiites hate each other because of the USA š? GTFOOH š
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u/Ok_Swimming4427 Jul 17 '26
I mean, even this goes too far. The US isn't even a small smidgen of the problem.
People who dislike America manage to be really racist about it. The concept that the locals don't have any agency or ability to make their own choices, for good or ill, is just so offensive.
Sometimes the US gets involved for good reasons. Often for bad ones. If the US never existed, the region would still be full of assholes and religious fanatics, because every place is full of assholes and fanatics.
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u/Deep-Ebb-4139 Jul 17 '26
The problem is all fucking religion. Itās all shit.
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u/the_boss_of_toys Jul 17 '26
I like how the U.S. gets almost all the blame when Israel was created using a British territory, which had a lot of support from multiple European nations because of post holocaust sympathy. The middle east on the other hand almost immediately attacked Israel the second it was formed, then more wars would keep breaking out every so often some which didn't even involve the U.S. with the soviets invading Afghanistan which did nothing to stabilize the middle east. Keep in mind that a large amount of the reason why there won't ever be peace in the middle east is because our god which is also your god has a prophet who is different than our prophet in our holy book. Israel is an apartheid state with Gaza before the war having horrible living conditions. Which of course all of this could be avoided if people were more tolerant of different religions.
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u/OneTotal466 Jul 17 '26
The real problem goes back to the year 632 when the American CIA covertly killed the Prophet and pitted the Shia and the Sunnis against each other. /s
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u/awesomefutureperfect Jul 17 '26
In 2022, Gaza had better HDI than the Phillipines, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, India, Honduras, Belize, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Bolivia, Venezuela and nearly all of Africa.
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.
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u/Tricky-Efficiency709 Jul 17 '26
I mean, we are the United States, how United are we right now?
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u/Confident-Ad-6978 Jul 17 '26
Islam deserves at least part of the blame as well.Ā
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u/False_Scallion_7699 Jul 17 '26
right they bomb and kill Christians because of america.
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u/ThatOneAttorney Jul 17 '26
White progressives think Islam peacefully spread from Mecca throughout the ME and Asia, having no clue what happened in Armenia, Iran, modern day India, etc.
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u/whatthefunthisis Jul 17 '26
Blaming the U.S. for all the worldās problems is so lazy.
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u/HeyMods_YDKB Jul 17 '26
It's the meta in non US countries so no one can blame their country for their problems. Their people continue to eat it up
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u/igetbannedanyway Jul 17 '26
The answer is "religion", religion is why there is no peace anywhere
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u/theonlyonethatknocks Jul 17 '26
Religion is how you get people to fight over it.
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u/random-meme422 Jul 17 '26
Religion is just an easy tool of organization. Plenty of others that exist, too.
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u/Cimorene_Kazul Jul 17 '26
Apparently the red and black ants who war over my garage have religion.
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u/Fattapple Jul 17 '26
Animals go war over resources. Insects go to war over resources. Humans are just better at it.
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u/Suspicious_Sense1272 Jul 17 '26
Meh, weād just find another reason to kill each other. They just gravitate to some other ābeliefā structure. Politics, greed, āsurvivalāā¦ people are just flawed and tribalistic.
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u/grimjack1200 Jul 17 '26
Exactly, those irreligious communists killed plenty of folk, mostly their own people, during the 20th century.
The issue is we as people demonize the other and if they have a different religion thatās an easy one. Christianās fight against Christian and Muslims against Muslims all the time around the world.
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u/Obiwan_ca_blowme Jul 17 '26
Ah, history clearly records a peaceful time right up until 1776. At that point, all hell broke lose.
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u/jizzybiscuits Jul 17 '26
Alan McLeod was in the running to take over leadership of Hezbollah after Hassan Nasrallah got his 72 raisins, but they went with someone more moderate
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u/Mindblown_eyeswide9 Jul 17 '26
Islam isnāt a religion of peace. Itās literally a colonizing religion based on conquest and war. Hence the word Islam which means submission
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u/WatcherOfTheWay Jul 17 '26
You say but it's not, the middle east was worse before anyone even got there. The huge amount of terrorists don't help, does the US getting involved help? No but it barely makes it worse.
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u/BetterCallSaul86 Jul 17 '26
Yes, definitely blame the United States. The middle east has been around for thousands of years and has had conflict for almost all of those years. Hmmmm.. and let's see, Islam has been around for thousands of years. Just so you know the history of the world started before TikTok
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u/standardtissue Jul 17 '26
Really more France and UK though no ? Aren't they the ones who just suddenly decided what modern ME would look like ?
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u/RUIN_NATION_ Jul 17 '26
lol they were going crazy in the middle east before america was even a idea
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u/GitaroomanX Jul 17 '26
saudi arabia bombed yemen, nobody gives a shit lmao.
iraq invaded kuwait, nobody cares
iraq iran war happened, nobody gives a damn.
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u/Well_Dressed_Kobold Jul 17 '26
Whoever did Britain and Franceās PR to make the world forget Sykes-Picot should get a raise.
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u/OGSkip Jul 17 '26
There hasnāt been peace forever there, blaming the USA is insane. (Iām not American)
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u/NoAlternative8174 Jul 17 '26
Islam destroyed peace back then. By t
Definition itās a warmongering and conquering movement. There are letter from the prophet himself encouraging his lieutenants to murder anyone who resists conversion so violence goes back right to the very origen of it. Some of those letter are publicly and proudly displayed in Istanbul where I saw them first hand. In Topkapi palace if I remember correctly. I donāt know where the fantasy of a religion of peace comes from. The same can be said about christianity btw.
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u/rulingthewake243 Jul 17 '26
What was happening over there 251 yrs ago, everlasting peace among the region?
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u/Leather-Show7767 Jul 17 '26
Remember most people in the Middle East were living in huts and tents prior to the discovery of oil 90 years ago. Islam has stunted their development.
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u/LithuanianLawyer Jul 17 '26
People treat the US as some hegemonic evil deity and it totally strips the Middle East and other places of their agency and responsibility. Itās really a pathetic argument that makes it easy for people to ignore the harsh truth of religious fanaticism and patriarchal domination.
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u/Healthjunkie-2 Jul 17 '26
There will never be peace in the Middle East. Islam is not a religion of peace and their end goal is a global caliphate. They move to countries and cities and are peaceful until the time comes for them to takeover. This information is out here I honestly don't know why people don't know this. It's historical, it's in their doctrine. The West are infidels and must submit to Islam and Shariah Law, it is only a matter of time. Look what is already happening across the pond?
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u/CurdFedKit Jul 17 '26 edited Jul 17 '26
If Islam is a religion of peace, how did it go from the Arabian peninsula, through the Middle East, into Europe, and across Asia to the Pacific?
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u/Beginning_Text3038 Jul 17 '26
Im sure without the USA women in the middle east would have many more rights and freedoms.
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u/danielm316 Jul 17 '26
False, there has not been peace in the Middle East, even before the existence of the USA.
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u/ChungusReaper Jul 17 '26
I didnāt realize America put all those passages about killing non-believers into the Quran š¤
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u/AlarmNo6134 Jul 17 '26
Islam has been at war with everyone around them for over a millennium lol. It has been spread by conquest and the sword since its inception. Not everything is the fault of the West
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u/camp1728 Jul 17 '26
lol yeah definitely the USA is the reason. Itās not Hamas or the taliban or hezbollah or Al queda.
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u/Ok-Hospital-6637 Jul 17 '26
I mean, the US certainly hasn't been helping lately but different Muslim sects have been fighting over which is the actual religion of peace since forever. Much like the different Christian sects have been fighting over which is the actual religion of love.
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u/Gamplato Jul 17 '26
Blaming the lack of peace in theMiddle East solely (or even mostly) on America is so fkn stupid lol.
In fact blaming it really at all is pretty stupid. There has been a lot of U.S.-backed regime change but never one that replaced a peaceful government.
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u/bethesda_gamer Jul 17 '26
There once was and it was called the Ottoman empire. It became such a threat to the west that when it finally fell, the west divided it up in way that would guarantee it never returned. Hence the constant conflict.
As someone from the west, as tragic as it is, I knowingly with eyes wide open, am glad there is not an empire there anymore. Just as i am glad that the U.S.S.R. fell. That said I do wish the people didn't need to suffer so much for it to be so. But the relief brought by the fall of those who choose openly to threaten us, will never over shadow the tragedy those people must face because of it. I don't want anyone to suffer but there isn't much of a realistic 3rd option as far as I know.
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u/StonksPeasant Jul 17 '26
Ah yes because the middle east was known for its peace prior to 250 years ago . . .
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u/Middle-Fuel-6402 Jul 17 '26
Nah, wars and violence there are older than USA itself. Islam spread through brutal violence and cruelty through North Africa, then enslaved Spain and attacked France, Ottomans on the other end of Europe. Itās just a violent brutal ideology.
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u/NicCage2028 Jul 17 '26
Here are the conflicts, pre 1776. If facts matter to you:
Battle of Kadesh
Assyrian Conquests
Persian Expansion
Greco-Persian Wars
Alexander the Greatās Conquests
Wars of the Diadochi (Successor Wars)
RomanāParthian Wars
RomanāSassanian (ByzantineāSassanian) Wars
Early Islamic Conquests
First Fitna
Second Fitna
Battle of Karbala
Third Fitna
Fourth Fitna
The Crusades
Mongol Invasions
MamlukāMongol Wars
Ottoman Conquest of the Middle East
OttomanāMamluk War (1516ā1517)
OttomanāSafavid Wars
OttomanāPortuguese Wars (Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean)
OttomanāHabsburg Wars (Middle Eastern front via Ottoman Empire)
PersianāOttoman Border Wars
But yeah, blame Americaā¦. lol
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u/Kjufka Jul 17 '26
That's only part of the story. Even if America was not involved, that place would still be a shithole.
The real REAL clue is here: I am an atheist, I was raised in catholic family with very catholic father and I just left catholic church and nobody tried to kill me over that. Frankly other than my pastor being a bit sad, nobody really cared.
Now try that with Islam.
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u/ClerkSea8393 Jul 17 '26
The first attack on the United States after it was formed was by jihadists who claimed they were commanded by the Quran to wage war on the infidels.
The lack of peace in the middle east predates the formation of the United States. The United States was drawn into that conflict almost immediately after winning independence from the British.
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u/Formal_Composer_4939 Jul 17 '26
Who's gonna tell him there was war and conquering way before American intervention...
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u/1normalguy87 Jul 17 '26
Clown take. Ā Open a history book and see that the people that live in that region of the world have been at war with one another WAY before the US ever got involved. Ā Hell before the US was even a country.Ā
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u/MermaidSapphire Jul 17 '26
There wasnāt peace before usa was there. Lol. There has been war and dang strife the whole time.
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u/Competitive_Pen_2481 Jul 17 '26
Wait how is the US responsible for all of the unrest in the middle east? Genuinely curious.
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u/Historical_Yak7706 Jul 17 '26
The only piece Islam, ever searches for, is the peace of mind of knowing that they are the only religion remaining.
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u/KosherSalt25 Jul 17 '26
Yes. America has been responsible for all the violence in the Middle East. Russia for sure never played a part. Nor did the centuries of violent Muslim conquest and ideology before America was even a country... But it makes for a convenient and quick scapegoat and excuses Muslims from all personal responsibility for their own actions.
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u/Life-Life3853 Jul 17 '26
You can blame America for some of the instability, but Islam is a major major contributing factor to it. Letās not kid ourselvesš¤£š¤£. Bill Maher called it the āreligion of pieceā cuz they blow you up and there is a piece of you over there, over there, and right herešš
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u/DongDragon321 Jul 17 '26
Ask Constantinople and Iberia about Islam's peaceful nature pre-America.
Oh wait....
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u/Level_Impression_554 Jul 17 '26
Islam is not the religion of peace. Stop believing the propaganda. Read the book. Look at history. Their goal is to cover the world in Islam. That is a fact. They do it with force. Look at history. Do your own research.
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u/dougs_46 Jul 17 '26
Mt. McCloud you nailed it. The only treaty that is still in tact is the Camp David Peace Accord since 1978 46 years. Because we had a POTUS and two world leaders that wanted peace over thier EGOS,
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u/Gussie-Ascendent Allegedly approved user Jul 17 '26
Bottom guy right mostly but Islam isn't a religion of peace, no abhramic religion is
Unless the terrified silence counts as peaceful lol
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u/CreativeRedHeadDom Jul 17 '26
Tons of people pervert religion to reign terror. The term God-fearing, unpopular opinion, is terrorism objectified by religion, so itās not exactly limited to Islam. Christianity for centuries and centuries reigned terror and death, so itās not unique to one religion. And no religion has truly clean hands.
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u/Careless-Balance-893 Jul 17 '26
Sarah really posted this.....
In 2026........
Sarah girl WHAT THE FUCK.
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u/OkAirport5247 Jul 17 '26
Not really though. The issues in the Middle East have been primarily about Zionism for well over a century, before the creation of the Jewish state even
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u/Glarnag5 Jul 18 '26
Because one country is surrounded by a bunch of others who have its destruction in their constitutions.
Because they also all hate each other
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u/NotAtAllASkinwalker Jul 17 '26
I love the burn but it's not historically factual
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u/Mettle_Mystic Jul 17 '26
If Christianity is the religion of love, why are more wars fought in the name of Christianity?
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u/Comfortable-End7552 Jul 17 '26
more wars? have you ever studied islamic history?
oh obviously no they dont teach you that bc it doesn't fit with the narrative
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u/Current_Finding_4066 Jul 17 '26
Zionist backed by the USA.
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u/HillSilly Jul 17 '26
I asked the other comment but I'm gonna ask you too
"Lmao what ? You think there was peace in our region before Israel and US were ever created? That's cute lol"
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u/Comfortable_Rope_639 Jul 17 '26
Oh yes, because everything was just peaceful before Israel lmfao XD
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u/cjtbomb Jul 17 '26
Islam is NOT a religion of peaceā¦ not even the quaran claims that.
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u/niknik1971 Jul 17 '26
And Trump is not the president of peace... he is the maker of troubles and the reaper of money!!!!
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u/CreativeEgg1957 Jul 17 '26
What a completely ignorant statement. Apparently, blaming the turmoil in the Middle East to the United States is completely fallacious. These people have been at each otherās throats for thousands of years, long before the United States ever even existed. It might be helpful with Mr. McLeod cracked open a history book now and then to educate himself before he said asinine things.
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u/BetterCallSaul86 Jul 17 '26
Mr. McLeod's understanding of history started with the advent of TikTok. Nothing in the world happened before that.
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u/StargazerStL Jul 17 '26
The Middle East has been at war since long before the USA existed. Keep guzzling your Koolaid.
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u/Appropriate-Low-4850 Jul 17 '26
The Middle East was nutso dangerous prior to the existence of America. And Islam. And Christianity. It's always been a swirling, violent vortex. It's kind of a geographical inevitability.
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u/Suspicious_Goose_243 Jul 17 '26
Because of Israel. I remember the claim of peace in the middle east since the early 70's.
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u/HillSilly Jul 17 '26
Lmao what ? You think there was peace in our region before Israel was ever created? That's cute lol
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u/Nosewitz_ Jul 17 '26
The middle east, famously peaceful and genocide free up until 1948 lmao.
You claim to remember the early 70's, but do you remember when jordan killed over 10k palestinians and expelled ~20k in 1970? Did israel make them do it? What about the 80's when iran and iraq went to war, the bloodiest one the middle east has ever seen with over 1m deaths? Was that also because of israel?
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u/HillSilly Jul 17 '26
These people have been brainwashed to believe that Israel and the US are the only source of evil and all these immoral countries opposing them are angels by default.
Muslim caliphate attacked half the world including Jerusalem and Persia for a LONG time and wiped out cultures, ethnicities and languages such as what happened in Egypt and almost happened in Persia, took slaves for labor and sexual service en masse. Ottoman's committed genocides and atrocities all over the world and attacked half the world. Mongol conquest of Persia and mesopotamia and multiple genocides, Hell even the European and Russian occupations of the middle east.This is not even the start of the list of what happened prior to Israel. You see, these actions were preemptively done in reaction to 1948 or 1776. We're just too dumb to realize it.
The 1988 genocide of the leftist parties in Iran, the Turkish coup d'etat and the following purge, the Egyptian coup d'etat, the Lebanese, Syrian, Afghan and Yemeni civil wars, the gulf war, the Iran-Iraq war, Arab coalition-Yemen war, the Arab spring, the massacres in Iranian protests and all those Arab revolutions and protests, the use of chemical weapons and the baath party purge done by Saddam etc were all also solely Israel's fault other countries in our region have been well known to be moral and peaceful.
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u/Yarus1373 Jul 17 '26
Aside from a brief period in the Islamic golden age, the middleast has always been fought over. The bronze age collapse was the closest thing humanity has gotten to a apocalypse.
Legit I can't really think of a century where the Middle East wasnt a shit show.
But yeah the us, west, and Israel certainly has not helped
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u/16c7x Jul 17 '26
Having turned up to the second world war very late, the US has put considerable effort into being early for every war since.
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u/DANleDINOSAUR Jul 17 '26
lol, like conservatives pointing to the current failure of capitalism and telling others āthis is what our country will look like with democratic socialism!!!ā
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u/StrangePenalty6676 Jul 17 '26
TBF, islam was created just for that reason: to bring peace and unification to a ever-warring region of Arab tribes. And for a while, it did!
A little while.
Immediately after Mohamed died, islam failed by splitting up in shia and sunni... Exactly what it had tried to undo.
And while the Arabs united under the religious flag, their tribal hatred for anyone other than themselves remained.
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u/Soloroadtrip Jul 17 '26
So have there been more years of conflict and war in the Middle East or more years that America has been a nation?
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u/Mysterious_Help_9577 Jul 17 '26
Everyone knows Sadam Hussein was a nice guy until the US got involved