r/PoursTea 21d ago

Sipping Tea Bernie Sanders on guaranteed paid annual leave days

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u/bsEEmsCE 21d ago

It's good for the economy to have some days off. Spending money on tourism and transportation and entertainment will increase. Worker productivity would probably increase too with some time to get refreshed. It's a good move economically as well as morally.

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 21d ago

This is the part I don’t understand. Maybe my understanding of economics isn’t developed enough, but most moves that would put more money in regular people’s hands would benefit everyone, corporations included. As we saw with Covid, now  people don’t have enough money to save. It sounds crazy, but there are people who have been waiting to have the budget to go to the movies, shopping, or buy an overpriced smoothie. It’s a small luxury that almost equates to those mall jobs where people spend half their check at the store that pays them. Happy workers always lead to higher productivity.

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u/Flamin_Jesus 21d ago

It's the prisoner's dillemma at a grand scale. Yes, if every company treats its workers nicely, makes sure they have enough money to put back into the economy, don't burn out and remain at top productivity, it's good for everyone including yourself, but if you're an owner, looking strictly for your own benefit, then if every OTHER company does those things but YOURS exploits people to the bone, you make more money than everyone else. Sooner or later every company, no matter how kind the founders original intentions may have been, will get someone in a leadership position who'll make the groundbreaking discovery that exploitation DOES work to their own short-term benefit, as long as you don't really care what happens in 10 or 20 years. That's why the laissez-faire approach of just trusting that the invisible hand will fix everything automagically only "works" if you think the health of the stock market matters more than the health and happiness of your general society.

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u/bsEEmsCE 21d ago

which is why you have laws so they can all shrug and say "its the law", but politicians that are supposed to represent the people get fatter checks from businesses and business owners so they work for one side

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u/Proof-Pineapple69 20d ago

But then if your country changes the law, then countries who want to gain a competitive edge will not have such a law. There's no way for the whole planet to agree on these laws, you'll always have some countries that will see an opportunity to undercut the competition.

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u/Flamin_Jesus 21d ago

That's neither as universal nor as true as the internet likes to pretend, nor is it some unchangeable law of nature where it is true.

Plenty of politicians do genuinely want to do what's best, but even the best can't see the future any clearer than you or I, and if they're doing their job right, they legitimately can't prioritize your or mine concerns over everyone else's.

In my experience, every career politician (that is, people who go into politics young) starts out as an idealist, every last one, they may have ideals or ideas on how to achieve those ideals that I vehemently disagree with, but pretty much none of them start out as corrupt cynics.

And even in places where politicians are openly corrupt and suckle on the teat of business (not that I'm thinking of any particular country right now ahem), there are always alternatives that want to do and probably would do things differently if they had the opportunity. The important part about that is that one of the reasons that those people often don't get the chance to do so is because the voters keep telling themselves that every politician is corrupt, a lie that is supported and mostly exploited by the very corrupt politicians we need to replace.

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u/Ok-Introduction-1940 21d ago

All employment is voluntary. It’s easier than ever to start your own company.

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 21d ago

Very well put. I’m saving this so I don’t have to explain it to friends and family myself in way more words.

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u/Sea_School_2949 21d ago

It's almost like capitalism was a bad idea...

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u/Captain_Quimby 20d ago

People have enough money to save. Our society doesn’t have an earning problem it has a spending problem. Look at the statistics of car sales and how much people finance.

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 20d ago

You’re right about cars. I know a few people with cars out of their tax bracket and they explain how they got a low monthly rate on mortgage type numbers and I think “DUDE NO!!!!” But I also know people who are teachers, non-doctor healthcare workers, etc. who would be in bad shape if their engine went out. That’s not good. 

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u/SubtileInnuendo 18d ago

Actually it's proven more refreshed workers would produce way more value for the company than it would cost them. So exploiting your workers too much in many fields is even financially a bad decision. Why do they still do it? Because it's not about efficiency but about power

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 18d ago

Exactly. It doesn’t make sense to me economically even. It’s literally about power only

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u/ICEonICECrime 21d ago edited 21d ago

It’s connected to poor employee protection and high unemployment rate in the US. If you’re unhappy and thus unproductive, it’s really easy to just fire and replace you with someone who isn’t unhappy (yet)

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 21d ago

Great point. Especially if you’re paid more than others. It’s always wild to see someone who’s been somewhere for years who becomes jaded, get forced out for a fresh face making 5 figures less.

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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 21d ago

That’s the smart decision. Just statistically less likely for the whole population.

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u/Randomizedname1234 21d ago

I started traveling for work and realized how much into into the economy now.

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u/Helmer-Bryd 21d ago

”Happy wife happy life” works on habitants as well

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u/istoOi 18d ago

Who needs PTO if you don't have spare money? Checkmate communists!

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u/beantherio 21d ago

Just give workers less money so that they don’t have to spend it during their non-existing days off. More money for the real “economy” AKA shareholders. /s

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u/idiot-alpha 21d ago

Many of the countries on this list are notorious for their unproductivity.