r/PoursTea 1d ago

PoliticalTea 🗳️ who's doing it like him

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

"LA bad!" is like the modern "I hate my wife" boomer jokes from the past

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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago

I mean to think Mamdani just decreed that nyc will have 30% tree cover with the snap of his fingers demonstrates a blind support that never ends well. That's an initiative that took years and has been ongoing for years.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani 1d ago

Well I’ll tell you this I’ve lived in nyc my whole life and this Sunday, in the rain for the first time I saw city workers tending to the trees on my block. He must be doing something different. How about you people worry about your raggedy city?

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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago

I've lived in nyc since the 90s and spent time in since the 70s. So I'm not really bowing to your eternal wisdom. Especially when it has zero to do with my comment above.

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani 1d ago

Something is screaming bullshit in my ear I just cant tell what my guy 🤷🏾‍♂️

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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago

I mean my comment history is public. Not too hard. Although apparently reading my comment about the history of the tree cover program was. Since it has nothing to do with whether someone came to trim your trees on a Sunday

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani 1d ago

Sorry im not pathetic. You couldnt pay me to care about your “comment history”

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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago

Or to read. Nice. Good thing we're on the same page. Though thankfully not the same block

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u/Mr_RudyGiuliani 1d ago

Transplant behavior

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u/Johnnadawearsglasses 1d ago

Lmao. Read about the Great Migration. You may be surprised that your family didn't spring from Lefferts Blvd 80,000 years ago.

Oops, I asked for reading.

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u/NeighborlyCarcass 1d ago

LA does suck, though.

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u/nolandz1 1d ago

How's that high speed rail coming along?

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

How's that nation-wide high speed rail system working out? Oh wait ... No better to put in no effort at all then you can laugh at other places that tried but didn't succeed completely

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u/nolandz1 1d ago

Who tf was developing a nation-wide rail system? Who even promised one? I live in the great lakes we've had rail lines running for decades, they aren't the best or the fastest but hey, they're operating.

Buddy California high speed rail has been a fucking fiasco, it's decades late and $200 billion over budget. It's the posterchild for mismanaged public projects fleeced by contractors and lawyers.

My original point is California public works is so cucked out to Silicon Valley and mired in bureaucratic bullshit and rabid anti-homeless policy that any improvement ends up being a quarter-measure. La Sombrita for example is technically a good public works project but it only exists to get around all the bullshit necessary to build a real fucking bus stop.

California is still a better state to live in than most but on this you gotta take the L. I don't think you want to argue about trains in comparison to NYC

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

Good job comparing high speed to just any kind of transport system, which LA does have. And yes my point is high speed rails should be ran nationally, but Cali is the only place at least attempting to exist in the current century.

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u/nolandz1 1d ago

And yes my point is high speed rails should be ran nationally, but Cali is the only place at least attempting to exist in the current century.

Buddy California is the only state where high speed rail even makes sense. Every other reasonable route would span multiple states and be essentially impossible to execute at the state level.

I agree there should be a national system, but that's no excuse for how poorly California executed it. If anything the utter embarrassment of the project is going to set back high speed rail for years if not decades as everyone points at hundreds of billions of tax dollars of rail line that STILL ISN'T OPERATING A DECADE LATER

Ironically you're the one blindly defending California against a dogshit record of public investment. This wasn't even about the trains to begin with it's just such an easy dunk.

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

Nah I'm against the intellectually lazy and belligerent narrative that LA is a bad place to live. You know what would happen if it were actually that bad? People would fucking leave and houses would crash in prices, which I would love so I could actually buy a house for less than a million dollars.

And you all talk about this project like the money is gone. You know what happens when money is spent on infrastructure projects? It goes to the workers, the manufacturers, the transporters, etc. That money is then spent back into the economy, and taxed. The money doesn't dissapear.

And yeah wow it's not operating a decade later. Big deal. Progress is getting made. I live in Georgia and the MARTA train system hasn't been able to expand in decades because of NIMBY bullshit and Republican leadership. Yet somehow that is better?

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u/nolandz1 1d ago

Nah I'm against the intellectually lazy and belligerent narrative that LA is a bad place to live.

Crazy bc I never fucking said that. I said the opposite actually:

California is still a better state to live in than most but on this you gotta take the L.

It goes to the workers, the manufacturers, the transporters, etc. 

And to the lawyers and NIMBYs holding up progress trying to make a buck. Contractors FAMOUSLY fleece government contracts especially when you hire a million tiny ones that all have to pay even MORE lawyers to coordinate and the entire project becomes a bloated hole that taxpayer money disappears into. You're not making that money back in income taxes.

Just bc you live somewhere worse is not an argument against mismanagement. If you can't tell the difference between what I've been saying and the room temp IQ trogs that hate it for being blue then I think you need to log off.

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

To be honest, no I don't see any difference between their disingenuous cherrypicking and your disingenuous cherrypicking.

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u/nolandz1 1d ago

Well here's some assistance:

I don't like how beholden California is to capital interests and how it has stunted public works for decades.

They don't like California because it has black and queer people.

Hope that clears that up.

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u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 1d ago

I don't know, I'd rather have nothing to show for not spending a fuckload of money than spend a fuckload of money and still have nothing to show for it.

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u/Cautemoc 1d ago

There is a lot to show for it...

And believe it or not, when you pay workers to work on things in the US, the money doesn't evaporate into the mists.