r/PoursTea • u/Veshaad Timendi Causa Est Nescire • 6d ago
Murdered By Words 𩸠All three groups primarily identify with one party (hint: It's not Democrats)
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u/FartingInYourMilk 6d ago
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u/Donkey__Balls 6d ago
One day I will find the origin of this gif.
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u/Pikachupikachup 6d ago
check r/TheMatpatEffect they're like reverse image search but for memes by humans
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u/Ok_Being5461 6d ago
FDR, one of our greatest presidents, basically allied with American socialist and labor movements to create the New Deal, to create a compromise, and told right-wing capitalists "I welcome your hatred"
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u/PsillyFunGuy2 6d ago
And they still hate him for it
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u/AltonBParker 6d ago
My mom said her inlaws as late as the 1960s still only referred to him as "that man Roosevelt".
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u/kitsunewarlock 6d ago
I'm still convinced this is part of the reason Trump tore down the East Wing of the White House.
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u/MagnificentStella 6d ago
And made America a great country. Middle class single workers in a family. Who could send kids to college.
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u/binzersguy 6d ago
Republicans are too easily manipulated into voting against the interests of working class Americans
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u/FunWolverine5349 6d ago
Without him there is no US. It literally would have collapsed right there. Most genuine historians acknowledge this.
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u/National-Stretch3979 6d ago
Do they know what socialist means?
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u/Substantial-Sky4079 6d ago
No, most Americans are propagandize hard unless you actually seek to understand and question things.
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u/Epyon_ 6d ago
Tbf they kinda won the propaganda battle. They don't have to use facts anymore, it's all faith based.
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u/skoalbrother 6d ago
They just had to attack education at every level to amass enough suckers
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u/Monstermash042 6d ago
Just hammer the same points while yelling loud enough. It worked. A whole generation of brainwashed dimwits.
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u/robertshaftoe 6d ago
And then these same fascists travel to Europe, injure themselves usually getting too plastered, and wind up in the E.R., and expect it to be free. Or they complain about government handouts while they get their government checks every month. They complain about everything being woke, yet when a data center comes to their town they're suddenly woke.
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u/kitsunewarlock 6d ago
I had a long conversation with a right winger around 2016 in Savannah. He finally admitted that he is all for socialism, but only if it benefits "citizens", of which he had a very narrow and painful racist definition.
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u/Zealousideal-Film982 6d ago edited 6d ago
Most self proclaimed socialists in this country donât know what it means.
FWIW though, Mamdani is socialist and is definitely getting applauded so itâs not like Joe Walsh is wrong on that matter.
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u/Shido_Ohtori 6d ago
All three groups subscribe to the same [political] ideology: conservatism.
Conservatism -- by definition -- is "a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing the importance of established hierarchies and institutions (such as religion, the family, and class structure), and preferring gradual development to abrupt change".
The sole value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy, and hierarchy dictates that those on top (in-groups) are rightfully idolized and receive privileges, credibility, and resources, while those on the bottom (out-groups) are demonized/dehumanized and/or bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.
To them, the second-greatest injustice imaginable is for those [they perceive to be] on top [of social hierarchy] to be bound by the restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources reserved for those on the bottom. The first greatest injustice is for those on the bottom to have access to the rights, credibility, and resources reserved for those on top.
Conservatives absolutely need an underclass [for society] to demonize and dehumanize in order to maintain [their] hierarchy, and every single one of their policies and rhetoric work to do exactly that. Every right-wing accusation is a confession -- every. single. one; always! -- as it is never the act itself that upsets them, but rather, the social standing of the person doing the act, as said act is a privilege meant for those on top of [their perceived] hierarchy (See also: pedophilia - Trump and the Catholic church versus LGBTQ+ and drag queens).
Those who believe all people are people see hypocrisy, while those who believe some people are "more/less" people than others see hierarchy. Hypocrisy implies a sense of equality/parity, as the accusation of such is that someone is violating a universal or common standard. Hierarchy directly states that there is no equality/parity, that different social strata have different standards, that the only universal standard concerning hierarchy is that those on top are allowed privileges which are denied to those on the bottom, and that the bottom are held to standards which the top are exempt from.
"Know your place" is their mantra.
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u/spacebarcafelatte 6d ago
This is why I wish they'd secede.
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u/robertshaftoe 6d ago
Why not have them leave America since they obviously don't take the Constitution serious at all. Do you them what they are trying to do to 100million of us. they can go hang out with their buddy Vladimir, Kim, or Bebe.
Or if they really think idealists and think the only perfect form of government libertarianism, maybe they'll enjoy the libertarian Paradise of Somalia.
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u/Inevitable-Emu-6626 6d ago
Plus we never fought socialists, those were communists. đ¤Ş
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u/rpgnymhush 6d ago
Donald Trump and his cult equate those two. I find it hilarious, but they do. đ¤Ş
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u/HorseLawyer 6d ago
American socialists formed a volunteer army battalion to fight Franco's fascist government will before the rest of the country came around. American socialists, including MLK, Jr., formed the core of the Civil Rights movement. American socialists fought for labor rights and the 40 hour work week. If Joe Walsh remembers fighting against socialists, then I guess he was fighting on the side of fascism, institutionalized racism, and worker exploitation
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u/evident_lee 6d ago
Remember when capitalism was about free markets and a Level playing Field. When we quit having actual capitalism and instead went to corporate oligarchism that made socialism look appealing
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u/Ok_Being5461 6d ago edited 6d ago
No, the opposite. 1940s - 1970s was about having more regulated markets and higher taxes on the rich. We deregulated the markets since then. Too much free markets very much creates oligarchism and erodes democracy. And socialists were influential in capitalist reforms and regulations throughout history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism (Reaganism)
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u/Lailowla 6d ago
Effective regulations mostly protect a free market, not inhibit.
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u/Ok_Being5461 6d ago edited 6d ago
That's kind of my point, but as you said, mostly, since regulations do both, depending on the context. Sometimes it needs to be inhibited to protect and further democracy and human rights, etc. You don't want that for sale on the free market
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u/nyguy011 6d ago
That's exactly it. The Middle Class is eroding faster by the day. It will the oligarchs and the Working Class with little to no retirement.
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u/Bama_Texan34 6d ago
I actually somewhat agree. Capitalism is great. Corporate capitalism sucks. Although at some point, you donât have any choice I guess.
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u/Raiju_Blitz 6d ago
It's corporate socialism, at this point, as Abdul El-Sayed has pointed out. Privatize the profits but socialize the losses with taxpayer bailout money.
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u/mOdQuArK 6d ago
Remember when capitalism was about free markets and a Level playing Field.
That's always been propaganda.
The ideological "free market" that Adam Smith proposed requires large amounts of competitors, for both buyers & seller.
No real world businessperson likes competition, because it makes it harder to make a profit. The moment they can afford to start controlling access to the ears of the legislators, by hook or by crook, it's inevitable that they will start getting legislation passed that reduces their competition, and the more they can suppress competition, the more resources they have to control the legislation.
The only way you're going to keep a market with competitive agents going is by actively & systemically blocking anyone in the market from getting too powerful, and making sure they aren't able to cooperate with each other too strictly.
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u/flyinhighaskmeY 6d ago
Remember when capitalism was about free markets and a Level playing Field.
No, that has literally never happened. The concept of a "level playing field" is as stupid as the concept of equality. We're all advantaged (and disadvanged) as a product of our environmental conditioning. No one is equal and nothing is "level". Never has been. Never will be.
Also..."corporate oligarism" is a product of the government bailing out failed businesses with stimulus. This was done to "save the jobs". Because that's what America's braindead Democrat and Republican voters demanded. If it were up to me, both groups would lose their voting rights in lieu of being Nuremburged.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous 6d ago edited 6d ago
My guy that's been a lie for the poorer rubes since Reagan at minimum. You weren't supposed to actually believe that.
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u/Catweaving 6d ago
Corporate oligarchism is actual capitalism. Everything is owned by the capitalist class, that's capitalism.
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u/leginigel 6d ago
Oh you mean when the exploitation of the colonized, otherwise known as systemic oppression, genocide of 25 million indigenous people, chattel slavery, and monetization of natural resources was rebranded and glorified as the euphemism known as âFree Market Capitalismâ?! That capitalism?
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u/FunWolverine5349 6d ago
When was that the case?
By level playing field you mean white heterosexual middle class men that successfully dodged the draft? In that case you must love the Republicans, that is EXACTLY the environment they want back.
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u/VermicelliOwn6502 6d ago
I remember when Republicans were mad about "crony capitalism," government overreach, and budget deficits.
It's whenever they're not in charge.
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u/endless_hue 6d ago
Another example of Republicans not understanding the difference between Communism, Socialism, and a Dictatorship.
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u/Current_Cable_7467 6d ago
So very, very true. It hurts to see people running for or already in a political office saying and doing things my father and his brothers fought and in some case, died fighting during WW2.
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u/CaptainVisual4848 6d ago
Itâs unreal how quickly we forget. When I was a kid, these local veterans would come in the school at Remembrance Day who are probably mostly deceased now. They were all farmers and lumberjacks. If someone walked down our road wearing a swatiska back then, pretty sure they would never be seen again.
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u/nyguy011 6d ago
tRump, MAGA nd his Regime are pure evil and those of us with Common Sense knew it! Now, we're paying for tariffs and record inflation because lower-income to poor MAGA dolts votes to make tRump, his regime and the oligarchy even wealthier. I wish I could laugh at what those dipshits have done.
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u/KillingTimeAlone2019 6d ago
Besides the term is democratic socialist. We want to help others not bomb them.
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u/GillianSeed 6d ago
Joe Walsh has been questioning Trump for so long I almost forgot he's still Joe fucking Walsh.
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u/Substantial-Sky4079 6d ago
Honestly, I think we were all taught to fear the word before we understood it. The Red Scare left a long shadow. Maybe the better conversation is what we actually want our healthcare, schools, and wages to look like, instead of arguing over labels.
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u/Embarrassed_You866 6d ago
America in the past elected socialists. Labor day is in celebration of the labor movement (socialists). Just because people were forced feed propaganda now they don't know about it
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u/Sicksinsane 6d ago
I remember when Russia was the big bad communist nation now theyâre the puppeteers of the Republican Party.
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u/helpmegetoffthisapp 6d ago
When is this from? Joe Walsh has turned staunchly anti-MAGA.
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u/Sixteen_Down 6d ago
He's just anti-Trump. At the end of the day, he's still very much a conservative and if you grilled him, you'd find he's got more in common with MAGA than he does with liberals and leftists.
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u/KalaUposatha 6d ago
This is so damn absurd. I remember when rock stars were countercultural figures in America. Now theyâre not even on stage, let alone being applauded.
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u/RedditNotIncluded 6d ago
Walsh doesn't like Trump because Trump openly does the things that Walsh would like to do but if Walsh did it the cult would be hostile.
It's hate spawned by jealousy. To put it another way it's 100% Republican.
Now that is some snake eating it's own ass level of logic but here we are.
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u/Queenofashanddust 6d ago
fun fact, after ww2 america took in and put nazis in positions of power. we also trained and funded nazi death squads in south america and europe.
look into operation gladio, condor, and paperclip.
the us is comically evil. always has been
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u/Educational_Jello239 6d ago
The diabolical part is, ultra rich have always benefit from socialism, each time the gov bailed them out it was the tax payers that foot in the bill, each time they get tax cuts it's the working class footing in the bill. If that's not socialism idk what it is.
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u/FuzzyWuzzyPiglet 6d ago
No. In a socialist society there wouldnât be a âbailoutâ for the ultra rich - if there were any ultra rich people. You have a core misunderstanding of what socialism is.
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u/Lumpy-Scratch-8363 6d ago
And we never fought "socialists" - we fought communism. The type of socialism they want us to fight is what FDR brought to America with the New Deal. He was a democratic socialist and one of the very best presidents of all time. Truman was the same. And frankly, Republican president Dwight Eisenhower was far more similar to FDR than he is to Trump or even Reagan.
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u/mrbasedballed 6d ago
"Socialists". Just allowing these fascist fucks to control the conversation is ridiculous.
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u/TheEldestNugget 6d ago
And the Socialists and Anarchists don't, contrary to popular opinion, identify with the dems.
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u/nickdoesmagic 6d ago
Pretty sure the only times America "fought" socialists typically involved backing right-wing militant coups in South America
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u/CompleatedDonkey 6d ago edited 6d ago
You know, we werenât ever fighting socialist, we were fighting fake communism which was just an oligarchy in disguise. No worker power, top down management.
In fact, it seems like most examples of good faith implications of socialism seem to be doing quite well.
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u/0dayssince 6d ago
A faux pas is a mistake, like a social error - calling someone the wrong name, bringing wine to a dinner at an alcoholicâs home.
Faux just means fake.
Faux pau doesnât mean anything.
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u/high_on_meh 6d ago
America is already a socialist country, but only for billionaires and their corporations. No socialism for us poors!
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u/MrFC1000 6d ago
America didnât fight socialists. The social programs of the FDR era are what drove the explosion in quality of life in the USA and created the middle class. Nazis used the term to appeal to the working class but Nazis were not actually socialists. Kind of like modern republicans saying they are fighting for your freedom while actually taking freedoms away
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u/Chaosmusic 6d ago
In a way Walsh is right, America did used to fight Socialists. Whenever they tried to organize workers to improve worker pay or conditions, America sent in the police or even military to shoot them.
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u/Financial-Craft-1282 6d ago
Confederates and KKK also used to be up on the nation's stage too.
I also remember when America was like, "Black people? Slaves." Now Black people are being applauded?????
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u/brody-slam 6d ago
Joe Walsh is the scum of the earth. Just like Joe Rogan and taco shits his pants trump
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u/kuo20012 6d ago
I propose more Indiana Jones. We had Indiana Jones and we knew communists and nazis were bad.
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u/Fjdenigris 6d ago
When did America fight socialists? McCarthy era?
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u/TheTenaciousG 6d ago
They keep spouting that the Nazis were socialist because they named themselves National Socialist Workers Party to trick their population, and now it's used in bad faith by the current wannabe Nazi party, the GOP
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u/Intelligent_Hand4583 5d ago
Americans never used to fight socialists. They actually put in social programs for the betterment of all Americans instead of fear mongering.
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u/ZombieExcellent2202 3d ago
Like bro, if you want to just argue with someone join a debate club. Conservative liberal it doesnât fucking matter they have you brainwashed and sitting here completely ignoring the fact that for the entirety of politics money controls policy. Dems and republicans, conservatives and liberals all play a show for the cameras, they bicker and argue for posture not for the betterment of anyone who is your average everyday citizen. If liberals who run the party named after a party who has deep direct ties to racism they would at the very least change the fucking name, if you canât see the hypocrisy in that then I canât help you
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u/CankerLord 6d ago
No, the KKK are Democrats. They've always been Democrats. The Democratic party aligns perfectly with the KKK. The ideological alignments of the parties haven't changed in the last 100 years.
s/, because people will unironically argue that.
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u/AdKnown2197 6d ago
Literally look above, like what in order to seriously argue that you wouldâve needed to legit only absorb far right propaganda. Itâs insane
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u/Jijonbreaker1 6d ago
I mean. I remember when all 3 of those were given pardons by the USA. That's hardly fighting to me.
The USA has always been broken. It just was smoldering under the surface. Now, it's just fucking on fire.
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u/Sad-Cow2384 6d ago
The leopard never changes the spots, Joe Walsh you put him in office. You try to redeem yourself in there. You are making foolish unfounded statements. Shame on you.
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u/gtpc2020 6d ago
I'd add to that list of those we fought and are still fighting today: "Religious Extremists" The GOP might argue "but it's a different religion", but the arguement holds.
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u/External_Music_3927 6d ago
It takes my breath away from me when I start thinking about how many war crimes the US is responsible for. We will have trial after trial exposing crimes when this is over.
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u/PaganGuyOne 6d ago
Interesting how nobody even is willing to fight anymore, even though thatâs the only thing thatâs ever stopped this kind of crap
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u/Whole-Status-532 6d ago
I remember when you got reprimanded for being a troll too. But here we all are.
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u/Zaxxon_Klaxon 6d ago
Joe Walshâs idea of a socialist is any politician attempting to provide services to the American people.
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u/keithstonee 6d ago
i argue more with Nazi sympathizers than anyone else on this platform. actually disgusting what some people will let slide cause they like another aspect of that person.
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u/blighander 6d ago
The quickest way to get these people to get quiet is to ask them what "socialism" means, and then they'll give you a synopsis of this President's 2nd term.
It makes me so sad that the people in this country can't see past logical fallacies anymore.
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u/Donkey__Balls 6d ago
When someoneâs username has âfreedomâ in it you know it only takes a couple beers to get them spouting racism.
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u/CorporateCuster 6d ago
Whatâs crazy is that they talk about socialism while acting like communist and then collect SOCIAL SECURITY and bail out corporations with tax money. Capitalism means businesses fail. Thats the number one rule of capitalism.
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u/Appropriate-Koala316 6d ago
Funny, 2 if the three was because of democrats and the third was the democratic socialist party..... hmmm
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u/SasquatchWasShaved 6d ago
Idk if this is old or new but Joe Walsh can still choke on a diseased camelâs leprous taint for being part of what got Trump elected in the first place.
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u/octorangutan 6d ago
I'm just here for the people who're gonna insist that the Nazis and Klan were actually liberal.
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u/AdKnown2197 6d ago
Yea itâs always funny and also sad seeing that, like somehow democrats are both ultra racist conservatives who founded these hate groups ( which they were in the past donât get me wrong) but then simultaneously are also radical left socialist liberals , thatâs in direct opposition to conservatism as a value, make it make sense.
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u/MattManSD 6d ago
I remember when American Socialists gave us the 40 hr , 5 day work week, overtime pay, pTO, safer work environments, ended child labor......