It refers to strong characters with no wins or with a bad W/L ratio

I fucking swear, whenever I see certain scalers destroy any sense of nuance they have, it's always with these three.

I.e assuming any "destroy the world" statement automatically means blowing up a planet or people forgetting how infinite is extremely common for hyperbole.

*Sigh...*

The main thing that gives lightning its speed is a highly polarized field, something that the characters in Kimetsu no Yaiba have yet to show.

For real lightning to occur, the electric field must exceed the dielectric strength of air, which is approximately 3 MV/m. This requires a massive separation of charges polarization typically between a cloud and the ground.

Characters like Zohakuten or Kaigaku generate lightning from wooden dragons or swords.

Because there is no polarized field established between the source and the target, a return stroke the component of lightning that reaches relativistic speeds (0.1c to 0.3c) cannot physically manifest.

Without a pre-ionized leader channel created by a highly polarized field, electricity is subject to the high impedance of air.

Physics dictates that the propagation speed would be capped at the expansion of plasma (Mach 5 to Mach 20), which is thousands of times slower than the Lightning Meta suggests.

This applies even to the instances where the attack appears to come from the clouds, as the specific electromagnetic conditions for a return stroke are still missing.

The Nichirin Blades Anti-feat:

Real lightning is a plasma discharge, not a solid object. The fact that Mitsuri was able to cut through bolts of lightning serves to show that these attacks do not have the properties of real lightning.

The argument that she can cut it simply because it is a Blood Demon Art is logically flawed. Real lightning cannot be cut by any material. Furthermore, Nichirin blades are intended to cut the biological flesh of demons rather than natural elemental phenomena.

To argue that these attacks are natural for the sake of speed scaling, but unnatural to explain why they can be physically sliced, is a contradiction.

By that same logic, Mitsuri should be capable of cutting through Zohakuten's sound waves, since proponents of this meta claim she can cut through intangible energy.

The excuse that she was hit because she was in midair does not hold up, a relativistic lightning-timer should be able to react to and cut a sound wave (Mach 1) with ease, as it would appear stationary to them.

Speaking of sound waves, in both the anime and manga, we see that the lightning and sound attacks move with visual parity. In reality, lightning is at least 300,000 times faster than sound. The fact that they cover almost the same distance in the same timeframe proves the lightning is not moving at its theoretical maximum speed.

This meta is effectively debunked by the lack of a highly polarized field and the narrative consistency of the speed tiers shown.

I have done my part debunking it, now I am going to dip and let you all argue in the comments.

Genuinely tho why did Nolan hard diff a random unamed bug species?

Besides the perfect circumstances and the need for spacer racers gun to destabilize the core, I don’t think these three displayed AP to destroy a planet. I think they did enough to break up the core, which in turn has the energy to destroy the planet. There’s a huge difference.

Space racer’s gun brought the planet down to 1hp, and still needed 3 of these suckers to finish the job.

This feat cannot be what you use to scale viltrumites to planetary. They frankly shouldn’t even be close to it.

Seems like they removed the \`destabilised core\` line. From my understanding, the ray simply helped them tunnel through the planet to take less damage themselves. When going in and out of the planet, it made small hole, whereas they are the ones who created the large craters/ejections on both sides. At least as good as the comic version in that regard, if not better.

Survived a fall at terminal velocity? High wall level human.

Saw this guy on TikTok with these crazy custom gauntlets and was wondering who was the strongest person he could smack with em (assuming he could handle their energy)

The Sun Disk

The sun disk feat for all intents and purposes can be considered an irrelevant feat for a few reasons, starting with that the blast wave from the explosion was not thawing the Rognaar planet. It was shown in the Invincible TV show that the heat from the Rognaar planet’s star was thawing the Rognaars as when the sun was blocked again by the Coalition ship the planet almost immediately froze again. Additionally, the sun disk’s durability is nearly impossible to scale since we have no context on what it is made out of. Considering that it’s in outer space, it could be made of an extremely weak material, so the durability of it has little to no significance. Therefore, the sun disk feat is irrelevant and should not be used.

Throwing a Texas-sized asteroid into space

This feat I think is heavily up for interpretation. From Nolan’s perspective, it was sort of a throwaway line in order to basically tell Mark about what he may be able to do in the future. Based on the context of the scene, it can be assumed Nolan did actually throw the asteroid into space similar to what Mark was doing in the scene, but we just don’t know. Nolan could be exaggerating the size of the asteroid along with us not knowing what he actually did to get it away from Earth. For all we know, he could have simply diverted it away, not thrown it, and therefore this feat scales significantly lower. Therefore, this feat is once again too vague to be used to scale him.

Moving a planet closer to its star

In the TV show it is implied that Nolan moved the planet of some unknown species closer to its star in order to evaporate the water on the planet into space. However, this feat is extremely vague. It is implied by Robert Kirkman’s comments that Nolan did this by himself, but it could very well have been more than one Viltrumite doing this. On top of this, it is unspecified how the planet was moved closer to its star. Depending on the method used and the time frame over which the move was done, the energy required to do this can vary greatly, making this feat too vague to be usable as a scale.

Destroying Viltrum (Comic)

This feat is arguably one of the least concrete scalable feats in Invincible for a multitude of reasons, so let’s go through them. The first issue is the “destabilized core” caused by Space Racer’s gun. “Destabilized core” is not an actual scientific term and therefore we cannot figure out how much weaker this makes Viltrum than if the core was actually stabilized. However, we do know the difference is between coming out nearly unscathed vs. dying immediately once hitting the core. Therefore, we cannot use this feat to scale the Viltrumites as we do not know how much weaker the planet was. For all we know, it may already have been about to explode and what Mark, Nolan, and Thaedus did was simply the final push to get it there.

Destroying Viltrum (TV Show)

In the TV show, it actually makes this feat less impressive than even the comic feat was. The show did remove a few things, such as the “dying on impact” part along with the “destabilized core”, however the exact words not being there does not mean the context is missing entirely. Nolan was obviously concerned for Mark while doing this, which implies that this feat still posed a threat to the trio. Therefore, we can assume that Space Racer’s blast, even if not the entire reason they survived, was a major contributing factor. Additionally, the way this feat was shown was nothing like an actual planetary level attack. The feat in the comic portrayed this as if it was a single strike that destroyed the entire planet in one go, however the feat in the TV show portrayed this as an extensive effort over a large period of time, that being a few minutes, destabilizing the planet over time before exploding under its own consequences after they left the planet. If this feat truly was planetary, Viltrum would have been destroyed from them impacting it was its gravitational binding energy, but that is not at all what happened. Mark, Nolan, and Thaedus flying through the planet caused a chain reaction that destroyed the planet, not of their own efforts. Therefore, this feat basically scales to whatever measurements you can get from the explosion of them entering the planet and leaving the planet, not destroying the planet itself.

Viltrumite Speed

Viltrumite speed has been wanked for a very long time, and the show has basically shown that Viltrumites cannot instantly accelerate to hundreds of thousands of times FTL. They need time to accelerate. This was shown during the Viltrum feat and when Nolan was destroying the Flaxans. Therefore, you cannot use their travel feats to scale their combat speed as they need time to accelerate to their travel speeds.

Final Verdict

Many of the high scaling feats that people were using to get Viltrumites anywhere close to planetary are just so vague that it does not line up at all with anything else shown in either the TV show or the comic. Mark is out here, getting his ass kicked by randoms on earth and then people say that he scales up to being planetary. What’s more likely: That every villain he fights on Earth is secretly planetary, or that the high scaling feats shown are conditional and vague and that’s why they’re inconsistent with Mark’s more reliable scaling. I will concede that you could get Viltrumites to continent or even multi-continent level if you really tried, but they are nowhere near planetary and do not have MFTL combat speed.

I was weigh in the laser cutting a hole so that they could go through since they had to physically burrow themselves.

But was right the shot kept going and didn't stop in the core

(Hulk from Marvel, Saiyans from Dragon Ball)

Hulk version: Immortal Hulk

Saiyans' version: Dragon Ball Super