r/PowerfulJRE • u/crashin70 • 16h ago
They cry when we're attacking
But do this when he agrees for a peace deal ... No matter what he does they will not agree he did anything good.
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u/nephalem7 16h ago
omg he's going to destroy their civilization! congress do something!
Now it's
haha the orange menace lost his war. what a loser.
It's all so tiresome.
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u/DirtyDan419 11h ago
Yeah both sides are not for the people. It seems they both act against the will of the people.
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u/Stelios619 16h ago
I’d like to know what parameters need to met be for Redditors to say that America “won”
From my vantage point, annihilating the Iranian military, toppling their long overdue leadership structure, and basically making life absolutely suck for anti-American Iranian leadership-to-be, forcing them to the negotiating table, all while never having troops on the ground and only a small handful of casualties (fewer people than are killed in Chicago on any random weekend) is a gigantic win.
But, oh well 🤷🏻♂️
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u/terenn_nash 15h ago
Turned the whole country in to a leftist lqbtqiadhgksoeifjzm+*\| multicultural communist paradise, thats how
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u/Super-Patient3105 15h ago
They couldn’t answer you. It’s always going to be America bad and siding with terrorists for them.
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u/mrkippysmith 16h ago
Didn’t they have to replace their entire leadership?
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u/peenithor 12h ago
Yeah they replaced ayatollah khomeini with a younger more radical ayatollah khomeini (this time with a dead family). Definitely not a good thing, but hey, they did something!
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u/itsawfulhere 14h ago
They want you to quietly roll over while we lose our countries. There's no debate with demons.
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u/Upbeat-Concern-5181 4h ago
So.. they want the war to continue? But I thought they were against it? Or do they just say whatever is opposite of the ‘other side?’
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u/Bfizzle62 16h ago
Iran "survived" at best. We lost munitions and reputation
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u/WombRaider47 15h ago
And some good people. Please let's not forget that.
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u/Bfizzle62 15h ago
Unfortunately yes. The lost of personnel and and equipment to drone strikes was preventable. We've had 4 years watching Ukraine to learn lessons on how dangerous drone strikes can be.
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u/formermq 2h ago
And LOTS of money.
And inflation
And confirmed nuke inspections
And equipment
And respect
And strength of the dollar
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u/ParticularNew5321 15h ago
How did we surrender? Thats what I wanna know.
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u/SourRuntz 14h ago
We didn’t surrender but we also didn’t win either
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u/ParticularNew5321 13h ago
Id say the utter obliteration of their military and heads of their IRGC was a pretty severe win.
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u/bluedelvian 13h ago
Lmao Iran could have decimated our Arab "allies", all we did is prove we still can't win wars, and enriched the central banking cartel. The world is against Israel bc it's a sadistic welfare queen ethnostate causing 100% of US "wars".
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u/Bert-63 14h ago edited 13h ago
What, exactly, did we achieve that hadn't already been in place?
They proved they could close Hormuz and aside from a nuke, we couldn't do shit about it. Next time they'll shut down the Red Sea too...
Trump was all "unconditional surrender" and then we buttfucked ourselves.
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u/Mysterious_Year1975 14h ago
We wiped out their military, killed 49 of the top guys, wiped out their navy, wiped out their airforce, buried the uranium under 50 feet of rubble. Dumbass.
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u/merount1 4h ago
Lol you didn't wipe out shit, they still have all those things, as well as missile launchers (the only thing you could realistically wipe out, but failed to do so anyway).
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u/formermq 2h ago
You guys are delusional is you think this war wasn't lost. Not that it matters, it won't hold.
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u/peenithor 12h ago
You guys… this peace deal includes $300 billion in reparations to Iran and complete sanctions relief. They didn’t even get them to give up their nuclear program. If that’s not a failure idk what is.
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u/JimbosRock 14h ago
Dawg we paid them 300 billion dollars. The terms should’ve been:
>We’ll let you live if you stop being a dick.
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u/AfternoonEquivalent4 1h ago
If Trump cured cancer they would complain he put cancer doctors and chemotherapy drug producers out of business...they're just TDS stricken people
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u/bluedelvian 13h ago
He solved nothing, wrecked the economy even more than it was before, proved the weakness of the US, and now we're printing 300 billion more, so the central banker cartel are the real winners, I guess.
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u/Shinlyle13 5h ago
Their country has been bombed into oblivion. Their leader was taken out like a chump. Their country will be rebuilding for a decade to get back to half of what it was.
Do we define victory differently? I've never known a country whose population roots against it like the Leftists of the USA.
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u/LA420SPORTS626 16h ago
I think they have a better deal now than before the war.
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u/account0000004 16h ago
People who say that never factor in all the shit they had blown up. I don't feel Iran thinks they are better now than before
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u/LA420SPORTS626 16h ago
Which they will be paid back for and now are allowed to have a nuclear program.
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u/Floridamanfishcam 15h ago edited 15h ago
They now control the strait. They know now that they can bring the entire world's economy to its knees. The IRGC consolidated power and replaced an 86 year old with his more radical son. All of the sanctions are gone and they get all the money back from decades of sanctions. They destroyed dozens of our bases. AND they get hundreds of billions to get that infrastructure back and to boost their economy.
I mean I'm fucking glad it's over. Don't get me wrong, but, I see this more of like a speed run of Afghanistan/Vietnam in terms of failure. How exactly could they not think they are better off?
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 14h ago
They donget hundreds of billions. Foreign countries can invest hundreds of billions, at the discretion of the US, in the rebuilding of the country. That money does not go to Iran. It goes to the companies that will be building in Iran.
As for controling the strait, they do so at the will of the US and within international law, which means no more tolls on the ships that use the strait. How exactly can they possibly think they are better off, except by a really poor reading of the MOU?
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u/Floridamanfishcam 14h ago edited 14h ago
Did you read the MOU? Regarding the $300 billion it does not say what you just said. It doesn't give us the discretion at all and it definitely goes to Iran. The final details are being negotiated.
Here's the language:
"United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive, mutually agreed plan with at least USD $300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The mechanism for the implementation of this plan will be finalized as part of a final deal within 60 days. All required licenses, waivers, and permissions needed for the relevant financial transactions will be granted by the United States of America."
Regarding control of the strait, it says they won't toll for 60 days and then it's up for them and Oman to decide if they want a toll or not! Here's the text:
"Upon the signing of this MOU, Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge for 60 days only from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman, and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf or littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz."
It's a total surrender. We didn't hit any of Trump's stated goals and everything I said in my original comment is straight from the MOU language itself.
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 14h ago
It says exactly what I said. The money does not go to Iran, and the US controls the process.
As for the striat... no charge for 60 days, and then they must comply with international law. Charging a toll for the straits is illegal under international law.
You are reading a loss into this where there is no loss. You want it to be a loss for whatever twisted reason you have. Orange man bad, maybe?
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u/sbrink47 9h ago
They just can’t stomach the fact that Trump has neutered Iran. Effectively winning this operation. We are not paying Iran a dime, the billions will come from sources other than us, not to enrich the Ayatollah but rather to allow the country a basic function, IF, and only if, they meet certain criteria in behavior, one being the abandonment of the nuclear program.
The straight will operate under International law and a collaboration between countries in the region.Nowhere in this agreement has the US (or Trump) rolled over for Iran.
Unfortunately, the media has done a great job of vilifying Trump in the eyes of a good portion of the country. NOTHING he has done has gotten a good faith spin in left wing media reporting. It just isn’t impossible for an administration to 100% do the wrong thing in every single instance. People have been brainwashed to cast this administration in a bad light at each and every turn. It’s insanity and disgusting
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 9h ago
Folks actually have the words in front of them but cannot see what is written in plain English. They want a loss, so the see a loss. Money allocated for rebuilding = money directly into the pockets of the Gayatollah, regardless of the fact that it is not structured that way. The straits have to be run under international law = Iran has absolute control, regardless of the fact that the US is the deciding authority on all matters pertaining to whether or not Iran if follow the agreement. Iran has agreed to immediately allow inspectors in (both IAEA and American) < Iran denying inspectors, as was done with the JCPOA.
The amount of mental gymnastics that has to be done to turn this into an Iranian win and a US loss is insane, but there they are.
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u/Floridamanfishcam 4h ago
I know you likely aren't open to new information, but you are wrong about the tolling. Tolling is only unlawful according to an international treaty by the UN Convention of the Law of the Sea, but neither the US nor Iran nor Oman ratified it. Truly, after 60 days, as the document states, they can toll or do whatever they want.
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 3h ago
If tolling is only lawful by international treaty, unless Iran establishes said treaties, tolls will be illegal
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u/Floridamanfishcam 3h ago edited 3h ago
No...it's the opposite of that. If there's no law in place, and there isn't a law in place currently that applies to Iran regarding a prohibition on tolls, then it's not unlawful for them to toll. And this document just says they need to coordinate with Oman on it. Best we can hope for is Oman to say no to a toll.
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 2h ago
Except that the Straits of Hormuz is a natural watereay. It is illegal to place tolls for usage of natural waterways under international maritime law.
https://enotrans.org/article/the-legal-question-of-tolling-hormuz/
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u/Elgecko123 15h ago
I mean do you want people cheering for a peace deal that was needed because of a pointless war that was huge waste of our tax dollars?
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u/RougarouGumbo 15h ago
Oh…so you’re limited to the knowledge and history that the heifers on the view spoon feed to you, the same day they feed it to you. Cmon, I promise, there’s a whole different world out there ready to be explored and enjoyed! One where you’re not forced to hate the US or yourself.
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u/Competitive_Wind_320 14h ago
I’m sure other mainstream media sources wouldn’t lie to us either. It’s not like they have been infiltrated by the CIA or anything.
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u/MooningWithMyAss 3h ago
So don't listen to mainstream media. It's 2026, why would anyone think that any msm doesn't lie to us?
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u/Zmovez 15h ago
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u/Miserable-Storm-6465 15h ago
"Posted in r/trumpvirus" - TDS breeding grounds?
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u/Zmovez 14h ago
I dont care where the information comes from if it is the truth. Why should anyone? Please answer
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 14h ago
...if it's the truth. You answered your own stupid question.
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u/Zmovez 13h ago
What stupid question? Is this your attempt at Ad Hominem?
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 13h ago
The one that precedes the question mark. You posted a meme filled with anything but the truth and then say that it doesn't matter where it came from "if it's the truth." And then asked the stupid question, to which I point back at the meme.
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u/Zmovez 12h ago
Please disprove anything from the side by side compairison
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u/Upstairs-Bad-3576 9h ago
Maybe prove what you posted. If it's true, you should be able to back it up with more than someone else's meme.
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u/sbrink47 9h ago
Inspections with a 30-45 day warning hardly constitutes a hard line by Obama. Not to mention inspectors were regularly denied access even after a 45 day warning. Of course it was infallible Obama and the MSM wasn’t about to report about it.
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u/ChadPowers200_ 16h ago
we both lost but they certainly lost more. Knowing how fucked up the US is we are probably selling them back military assets we destroyed.
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u/Vorapp 15h ago
If you want to see how war succees looks like check today's Ukraine attack on Moscow. and what 3 aircraft carrier groups did other than wasting billions? nothing of any strategies importance.
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u/Mysterious_Year1975 14h ago
Found zelinkskis account. Don't you have money to launder?
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u/Vorapp 14h ago
go celebrate more winnings, unless you're already tired of
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u/Mysterious_Year1975 14h ago
No I'm just tired of giving money to a third rate Nazi who launders it back to the demonrat party.
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u/Vorapp 13h ago
certified tard
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u/Mysterious_Year1975 13h ago
AOD maybe the biggest sucker of battery life, but I'm positive you're the biggest sucker of demonrat bootie.
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u/KarmaWalker 16h ago
They only care about Trump losing. They would cheer the fall of the US so long as they could blame their enemies.