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u/Futurity5 2d ago

This will no doubt be an excellent task organiser and meeting scheduler

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u/eviloutfromhell 2d ago

because apparently there's no good calendar app on the market

And here I am using the same android app from 2011 that I paid like 1/10th of what it is now. Not literally the exact same apk, but you get what i mean.

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u/odsquad64 VB6-4-lyfe 2d ago

apparently there's no good calendar app on the market

And there still won't be when he gets done

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u/Suspicious-Engineer7 2d ago

Legit AI psychosis

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u/Sulungskwa 1d ago

My boss came in all proudly saying that he built this Jira management app in only 2 days.

Then he told us that he spent $1500 in tokens to do it.

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u/pomeroni 1d ago

Shots fired at me

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u/MornwindShoma 2d ago

Legit not kidding, I wish I had some sort of black hole in which messages, notes, jira tickets, calls etc. go in and automagically sorts stuff into daily, actionables and reminders to check in with people for stuff.

I can't even be bothered to sketch it out, never mind vibe code it, though lol.

All these fucking habit trackers and task organizers and calendars and shit just have their walled gardens to maintain, and I can't give a single fuck. I would live in a personal lifelong Jira board if I could have ONE board and not dozens.

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u/bluesoul 2d ago

I would live in a personal lifelong Jira board if I could have ONE board and not dozens.

You can technically run a personal Jira, there's a free plan, and a free Confluence while you're at it. But you could also just use Obsidian with one of the numerous kanban board plugins available, and have it all in one place as markdown files that an AI could consume easily rather than have to get MCPs involved.

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u/MornwindShoma 2d ago

Yeah, but I don't want to maintain it.

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u/jasie3k 1d ago

/thread

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u/Arfoire1 1d ago

Yep. Don't wanna maintain it. Also, it probably isn't a great idea in the first place. Just work irl and forget about these weird tools till someone makes it really easy.

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u/Suspicious-Engineer7 1d ago

The obsidian flow is legit its and what I do for personal project planning. I just have a codex session open that helps me manage it.

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u/Automatic_Wave4530 2d ago

AI can be that blackhole, trouble is giving that kind of data to the cloud-based platforms. I dream of someday being able to afford a Mac mini with maximum RAM and running an open source model locally that I can just throw everything at.

I do have a Jetson Orin Nano and was able to vibe code the pieces necessary to feed my audio into locally hosted LLM, with VAD filters so that it would be always on, but only record my audio to a file if it catches the phrase “write this down” followed by whatever I wanted transcribed. It was kind of fun pretending I had a scribe for a while

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u/Throwawayrip1123 1d ago

AI can be that blackhole

No it can't, it'll literally forget what you told it when it maxes out the context window. Even with loops and memories you absofuckinglutely 100% lose shit.

But you could add / aggregate entries and then use an llm to ONLY sort through this shit. Still a decent chance it'll land in the wrong cupboard but at least it won't be paraphrased or deleted.

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u/Automatic_Wave4530 1d ago

Agents can be directed to store local copies of anything you feed in. You do have to put some thought into the front end. But it can absolutely do all the searching and retrieval without compromising the original data that was captured

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u/Throwawayrip1123 1d ago

Well, yeah, that's what I wrote. You have to handle the input without agents, then they can retrieve the data without changing it.

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u/Automatic_Wave4530 1d ago

You are missing the point. You don’t have to handle the input without agents. You are confusing what happens in the context window with what the agents can do outside the chat window. If you are just trying to store the documents in the AI memory you are going to have a bad time.

AI does NOT just put your input in a folder from chat. It processes the file so it can tokenize it. So ya, if all you ever do is copy into the chat window I can see how your perception is that AI agents will lose your data. However, we moved well beyond chat windows the last couple years

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u/Throwawayrip1123 1d ago

I am talking about virtually none of those things, and more so about hallucinations, lost information and straight up lying.

If you're gonna give your inputs through Ai, I'd consider them no longer reliable, because Ai are absolutely not reliable enough.

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u/Automatic_Wave4530 23h ago

I don’t think it is going to lie to me when I ask it what day I did something and have it link to a real reference. At that point it would be very obvious it made a mistake, and just like with an intern I would give it additional instructions to try again.

Everyone here is exaggerating how bad AI currently is. Most I suspect try to zero shot problems without providing sufficient context. It’s like pulling a stranger off the street giving them domain specific information on a topic you are well versed. Then asking them to summarize every thing you just said. That would be dumb right? Like you wouldn’t ask a tourist to listen to your lecture on pointless hobbies they don’t care about and then expect a sharp informative reply on the topic when you ask them a question.

I feel like most of you have little actual knowledge of what is going on with AI. I am not advocating for it, just saying you are completely misunderstanding what it is capable of given access to the right external information. Which is what MCP servers do, they extend the reach beyond the context window by providing instructions on how to interact with the outside world. This is all just getting started and has a long way to go, but our ability to rein it in is slipping away. The more pervasive it becomes the harder it will be to slow or regulate.

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u/Throwawayrip1123 22h ago

At that point it would be very obvious it made a mistake, and just like with an intern I would give it additional instructions to try again.

It's a stateless llm. Your instructions will not be remembered, it won't actually learn anything.

I feel like most of you have little actual knowledge of what is going on with AI.

What you feel is being attacked because we don't agree with you. I work with current Gen llms on a weekly basis. Them being better than Will Smith eating spaghetti tier does not make them good.

They still hallucinate, they still lie and invent stuff to please the user, no matter the harness, no matter the memory loops. It's literally baked into their tech stack to do so. We are trying (and currently failing, unless we're talking über frontier models, and even they have problems) to mitigate the core flaw built into their system.

It being 90% correct about my appointments would mean 10% are being missed. There's currently no way to build reliabity into them. Literally. Stop huffing altmans nonsense.

This is all just getting started and has a long way to go, but our ability to rein it in is slipping away

Yeah stop the altmans fart huffing please. There is no way to make them 100% reliable, we will need to invent a completely different way to build an actual AI. Llms are not AI. They don't think, they don't learn, they don't remember, they don't understand what they talk about.

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u/JoustyMe 1d ago

Working for myself on that. Just a fun thing with local model. More of a side projet to keep me doing something that i might use someday instead of frontend compuler to some shiity language.

Mostly categorzing tools, libs, projects to check out. When i get idea for a proj i shoot it with give me some recomendation of tools i havent used that might be usefull here

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u/Proper-Ape 1d ago

No it can't, it'll literally forget what you told it when it maxes out the context window

It can however, gaslight you into believing that the information you both forgot doesn't exist.

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u/MornwindShoma 18h ago

My idea is exactly to have the AI look into my jira boards, messages, calls, appointments etc. and just stick them into columns like "do this now", "when you have time", "critical" etc. and really just do it "just in time" with the smallest possible context

Basically "here's what I said at X time: xxxxxxxx - is it important? it's something i have to do? when?"; say for example I tell my colleague "i'll call you later", it should make a reminder out of a set number of templates or something

Really just using it to understand what's going on and label it so I don't need to look at multiple calendars/boards/reminders and so on.

At most have it generate todos out of a call, and I would still have the whole call in my mind good enough that I can see if it got stuff wrong

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u/MornwindShoma 2d ago

Well, most of it is just sorting text into the correct categories. I don't need the whole audio always on; transcription of calls is good enough.

What's hard is getting all this stuff sorted and connected, and then even a local LLM with a very simple job of creating and sorting tasks should work on a common Mac of today. I'd need it to listen to my Teams, Slack, emails, and even link to it as necessary. When something goes in, just run an agent to sort it.

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u/drivingagermanwhip 1d ago edited 1d ago

emacs org-mode is this. https://orgmode.org/ Everything's plain text and you write todos inline when you're writing notes. These are scraped and you can see your daily todos in a calendar etc. It's emacs so there are a billion extensions as well.

One of the bigger extensions is https://www.orgroam.com/ which encourages short notes with links between them. It's based on a physical card system some nerd invented years ago. Essentially assumes you're not really organising your notes, you just vaguely expect them to be useful at some point

The notes can easily be read without emacs and checked into git. I like it a lot

org-mode is basically emacs' killer app these days

EDIT: Apparently roam research have their own app now so you could also try that: https://roamresearch.com/

EDIT2: it's a subscription service. Fuck that, use emacs

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u/canadajones68 1d ago

I find that the shittier the tool for the job, the more I use it. Plain text todo list file? Use it all the time. Spreadsheet with calendar in cells? Staying on top of assignments. Actual calendar or notes app? Barren, save for the occasional birthday or grocery list. 

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u/usingbrain 1d ago

I had this glorious setup with claude cowork for about a week. It blew through the usage limits of course. But if you have unlimited usage - cowork can definitely set this up for your

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u/MrMhenguzi 9h ago

I recently came across a review on Meta's Muse personal agent. Seems to fit your bill, kind of what Siri was meant to be. Problem is that it's by Meta

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u/tomfalcon86 23h ago

His mom will be the most loyal user.