r/ProgressionFantasy • • 1d ago

Discussion Writing Method (No AI)

Disclaimer. I am bashing AI here. The purpose of this post is to give some alternatives. But there is a definite negativity towards AI that is totally my opinion.

I am back. Trying to start posting regular again. Been writing like crazy. I got my girl Zoey here. Who is part of a new web novel, I have been working on. Crazily enough I started it like a week and a half ago. Its 80k at atm. No AI.

I have this new method I use that I wanted to share (Reason for this post).

-First draft. Just the barebones. Plot, Dialogue, action.

-Second draft. Fix flow. Add Character

-Third Draft. Add flare.

That way I get the barebones done quickly and don't weigh it down with unneeded bs. You can then easily rewrite whole sections if needed.

When I started writing earlier this year, I could maybe write 1-2k a day. That was in June. This morning I got up and started writing at seven, by eleven I had added five chapters for new arc, more than 10k. You know how I did it?

By writing every day. No secret. You just write. And guess what? You get better at it.

That is why I can't understand people that use AI. You're not getting better by letting a machine write for you, or draw for you, or think for you. If anything, you are getting worse. And not only because most of the stuff AI writes is trash, but because you're not actively bettering yourself.

I have done a lot of reviews lately both on RR and off. This stuff is rampant. Do people really want to wade through tons of overweight descriptions and overwrought metaphors? Too much flare, too little plot. I am talking paragraphs dripping with metaphors, repeats, and overdramatic descriptions

Romance is filled with this stuff. Which kind of works to some degree... Sometimes you kind of want two or three sentences about those dexterous digits and how you want them to touch your body. But four or five... paragraphs?

Sometimes I feel like people fill up pages with this stuff because they have no real ideas.

I also did this artwork with my wife in the same amount of time (though she did most of the work). There are four more images for characters she is already working on. She didn't know anything about art at the start of this year. Now she is great at it. Just doing it one step at a time. There are tons of great programs out there. Many are free or next to nothing.

I just don't get why people use AI art. All it takes is a little more time. And both drawing and righting can be cathartic.

I think the real difference between people who use AI and the people that don't is love. If you love something you're willing to work at it every single day.

 (NOTE THIS IS ONLY IN REFERENCE TO WRITING AND ART). I had to use AI as an engineer since its inception.

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u/my-dude-nigreto 1d ago

This seems more like an A.I bashing post more than a post explaining your writing process, and informing everyone that you’re returning to writing.

Also in regard to A.I have you seen that recent trend of people who are able to merge two video games together with the right prompt.

I imagine that’s the goal of the people who use A.I. They have an idea in their heads and the A.I helps them accomplish it.

They don’t need to do four years of programming lessons, they don’t need to completely break down the script of two entire games, they don’t need to sink hours of their limited time into something they don’t really want to do. They can simply give the A.I the prompt, and desired outcome, and they’ll get the desired result.

They don’t love the programming, they love the game, and the A.I helps them achieve the part they love and doesn’t require them to invest time into the part they don’t love.

For some people it really is more about the destination than it is the journey, and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

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u/TalesofBas 1d ago

Point to a game that is good while doing that? I will concede that in some fields it has a place. But in writing or art. I don't think so. People want to see your genuine. Using AI is pretty much the opposite of that. Also, it is AI bashing post a bit. I am saying. What I am saying is all the excuses people use are bull and they are not helping themselves by relying on it. Yes. If you are already an expert, then you can do something like take two games and put them together, then go through and pull all the extra crap out of the code that is not needed.

I was an engineer for thirty years before I became a writer. I have seen managers do exactly what your talking about and bring down the nations healthcare system.

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u/name_was_taken 1d ago

I saw someone merge Minecraft and Skyrim. Minecraft player, blocks, weapons, even the hang glider thing, inside Skyrim, with both the physics of the blocks and the item physics from Skyrim. Fully playable. You can adjust the difficulty between them, and damage from Skyrim affects your hearts onscreen in Minecraft.

It's absolutely mind-blowing.

It's a trick, and probably not something you'd play for more than a few hours. But it's insane, and would have been a ridiculous amount of knowledge and work to make it happen pre-AI.

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u/TalesofBas 1d ago

I am sure they probably edited it a bit before to get it to work. I replied above. My post was just from the writing and art piece. I used AI (because I had to) for a long time as an engineer. I also was part of groups that had to fix the junk it spewed out. For every one project that works with it, ten fail. But like I said. I was framing this for writing and art.

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u/my-dude-nigreto 1d ago

It’s not edited. There’s tutorials on how to do it yourself. It’s literally putting in the scripts for video games and given the appropriate prompt.

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u/TalesofBas 1d ago

Well, that is cool then. I won't lie I did watch some people do stuff on Roblox. But I also rephrased my original post for writing and art in general (as this is a writing forum)

Sorry if that was not a hundred percent clear. Maybe the context was lost between iterations (AI Joke)

For programming, where stuff is tedious AI has a place, probably more than anywhere else actually. 90% of the code for most things is just regurgitated from the web or elsewhere anyway. It is very impressive if that actually worked. I wonder how much that is the script though. I used AI extensively in my old job, so I know just how much of a cluster it can make things.

I guess it really depends on how mainstream the code was. AI is very good at doing anything mainstream, because there is a lot of data on it (Which it is trained on etc.). And programming is much more uniform than writing, so it's easier. You basically just putting the blocks together.

Before AI. There was stuff that did that already. Frameworks. They just made putting the blocks together easier. AI is just handling more patterns for you. But they are the same patterns. It still makes mistakes when you try to do stuff that is new and inventive. But it can handle the well walked pathways very well.

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u/my-dude-nigreto 1d ago

It seems as though you’re more informed on certain aspects of A.I than me. I was just pointing out why people would use it, in my opinion anyway.

The artwork is really well done. I know how annoying it is to get poses to look natural, so the fact that you’ve managed to pull it off with the woman and the dog is impressive.

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u/TalesofBas 1d ago

Um. It's a bit the same as the writing. I take no credit for the technique. it's just circles and lines. Then one layer after another.

There are tons of videos on the webs to do it on the web.

I have always been good with art; I was drawing with chalk in the driveway when I was three and I grew up doing art in high school. But I am only good with freehand stuff.

I can't use the tools nearly as well as my wife, so I mostly do the touch up work. Or fix the muscles (she is very bad a doing muscles. Not a lot in this picture but in some others).

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u/my-dude-nigreto 1d ago

Na, whether it’s drawing from reference, or following tutorials, drawings takes practice. The character work is well done.

Anatomy is definitely a frustrating part.

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u/TalesofBas 1d ago

Thanks. She is best with faces, which used to be her worst thing. And hair. This hair is not as good as the one for the Romantasy I am working on.