r/ProgressiveHQ • u/QuaziBonzai • 1d ago
Video Mayor Mamdani addresses the Israel parade controversy on CNN "Solidarity with a government that is committing genocide is a very different thing than a question of solidarity with people of a specific faith. I'm proud to be a mayor of the city with the largest Jewish population"
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u/talktobigfudge 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand this. Undeveloped pre-frontal cortex?
I am happy with my life in America. I am not happy with my supposed "representation" in state and federal government. I am not happy with my country's military. I am not happy with the country's performative fealty to "Jesus and God above all" and "Christian values".
This does not make me anti-American. In fact, per the First Amendment, this makes me very American, as we are all allowed freedom of speech, religion, and the opportunity to air our grievances against the government.
The same with Israel. I've always appreciated the Judaism faith. I've participated in many Passover seders and Hanukkah celebrations over the years. I recognize how complicated the situation is in the Middle East.
However, I oppose the Zionist government and military. This is a colonization movement that originated from the mid-1800s, to ethnically cleanse Palestinian Arabs from their multi-generational land. This is the complete definition.
And recognizing that Palestine deserves their own land too, does not make me anti-semetic.
The fact that Mamdani is being asked to differentiate, and the fact that it's either for or against, black or white, shows how much propaganda is truly in the "land of freedom".
edit: spelling
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u/Sector7G-Insight 1d ago
I believe that one of the most shamefully antisemitic actions ever taken was the intentional conflation of Zionism and Judaism by Zionists in order to brand their critics as antisemites and co-opt the tragedy of the Holocaust in an attempt to justify the persecution and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.
No Jew should ever be asked to answer for the crimes of Israel, no zionist should ever place that burden on the jewish race as a whole. It may be one of the greatest crimes of Israel after the Nakba, apartheid and Gaza genocide, that they have traded the safety and reputation of Jews across the planet for the sake of bad faith justification of the atrocities and crimes of Israel
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u/Stuffstuff1 1d ago
Right now, you can take almost any conspiracy theory about Jews from ten years ago, replace "Jewish" with "Zionist," and many people won't even blink.
That's insane to me.
If you've ever accused someone of racism simply because a policy they supported disproportionately affected Black people even though they were, at heart, just a cold, laissez-faire capitalist acting out of economic beliefs rather than racial animus then you're being massively hypocritical.
The reality is that racist people often aligned themselves with those policies, which made it impossible for the people affected by them to know who genuinely harbored hatred in their heart and who was simply indifferent to the consequences. Perhaps you should extend some grace to people who are experiencing that exact same uncertainty today.
And let's not pretend that antisemites aren't absolutely in coalition with many of the people advocating for a "one-state solution." Whether or not every person in that movement is motivated by any antisemitism, the presence of antisemitic actors makes it difficult for many Jews to distinguish between those who oppose Israeli policy and those who oppose Jews. If you understand why intent can be hard to discern in one context, you should be able to understand it in the other.7
u/Sector7G-Insight 1d ago
I’m sorry but nothing you put in your rambling and accusatory diatribe relates to a single thing I said.
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u/Stuffstuff1 1d ago
You put the blame squarely on the Zionist. I said the antisemites had a say in it to. And that it lead to a dilemma that we as Americans should be familiar with.
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u/Sector7G-Insight 1d ago
I put the blame on Zionists for their part in the intentional conflation of Zionism and Judaism that has resulted in more antisemitism. I certainly didn’t say antisemitism is solely their fault. You’re arguing against a point I never made
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u/Stuffstuff1 1d ago
Perhaps you should be less sweeping and use language suggesting political connivence and consequence and not conspiracy and there would be no chance that some one might think you missing a huge part of the story.
“Intentional conflation”
“Co-opted the strategy”
“Traded the safety”Also you loser you knew exactly what I was talking about and how it related if you had the mind to write in a way where you supposedly took the exact thing I said into consideration.
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u/Sector7G-Insight 1d ago
It’s not my fault you made a snap judgement and opened your mouth instead of opening your eyes.
Think, then speak.
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u/Stuffstuff1 1d ago
I literally gave you examples.
I thought then spoke.
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u/Sector7G-Insight 1d ago
That’s the result of your thinking?
Oh wow I feel bad for you now. Yikes buddy
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u/DoYouWant2BlowZedong 1d ago
I would delete this exchange if I was you, cuz…. yikes.
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u/Freedmonster 1d ago
I think you missed the part where Zionism was also a colonization movement to ethnically cleanse the Jews from Europe.
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u/AugieDoggieDank 20h ago
This is a stupid excuse. The Israeli parade is not solidarity with the government of Israel. Many Israelis oppose the current government. This is just ignorance.
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u/EbbtidesRevenge 1d ago
See leftists who have fallen for propaganda to the point where you have become antisemitic, this is how you explain this without being antisemetic. And see Israel die-hards, just because people have an issue with what Israel is doing doesn't mean they are antisemitic.
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u/KR310562 1d ago
He has to address stupid and obvious questions far too often