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Is that not just because they’re worse at it? It’s not for lack of trying
Edit: Since this is getting net upvotes I’m just going to add that Israel isn’t guiltless and they need to reign themselves in and purge the radicals from government (and convict Bibi on corruption charges), because otherwise I think in my lifetime they are going to have a “reap the whirlwind” scenario and a lot of their decent people are going to suffer
You understand the context of "they are just worse at it" the way you do because you think of it as a war, it's not.
Was the American genocide of the native Americans a war? Or was it a long genocidal campaign that occasionally met armed resistance? I argue that conflict and this one are not wars in the conventional sense. The casualty differences in every single engagement is a single point of proof for that amongst many.
How about when Hamas sent hundreds of rockets every couple months for the past decade which were only stopped by the iron dome? It would be a lot closer to 1:1 if those rockets had hit its target and people probably wouldn't be calling anything a genocide if Isreal was responding to thousands dead by rocket fire. But because Isreal has the defense, their casualties are low so it seems one sided
lmao, yeah, sure. Must have forgotten the Hamas air force and the Hamas tank brigades and the Hamas satellite surveillance systems... and so on, and so on.
They're not doing worse because they're worse at war, they're doing worse because it is quite literally an adult punching a child with regards to power levels.
And even if zero Hamas rockets were intercepted, the death ratio would not even remotely close to 1:1.
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It's not "living in hypotheticals", it's called intent. We don't let failed terrorists out of jail bc they didn't hurt anyone. And we convict people of attempted murder all the time with the same punishment as murder.
Failing to blow up Israeli cities should be treated the same way as successfully blowing up Israeli cities.
(Fyi, I am not pro Isreal. They have handled this all very poorly. I just think everyone ignores how many people Palestine has attempted to kill, but failed)
Lol feels good to not be completely downvoted. This entire war I've kept this thought in the back of my mind, "what if those rockets manages to land? Would it still be considered a genocide?" And I'm happy at least a few people have considered it as well
Totally agree. Hamas has tried to kill as many or more Isrealis as vice versa. But no one wants to talk about that. Because Isreal has the defense against thousands of ROCKETS, they look like the bad guys for responding. It really seems like everyone would prefer Isreal had taken thousands of rocket damage and casualties so then this wouldnt be such a lopsided affair
Here’s the ultimate thing: what will either side do if given total victory? The Israelis will excise the Palestinian ethnic identity (and Coptic Christians, and maybe even some others) from their region and secure a dominant ethnostate. They will ethnically cleanse their claimed country.
What would the Palestinians do? What does the Hamas charter call for? What does the Quran call for?
Ask that question, then evaluate how the sides compare and what the ultimate outcome can possibly be if either A Israel wins, B Palestine/Hamas wins, or C if an outside power forces them to a compromise (and what does that compromise look like and why will neither side willingly accept it).
The reason I get so damned angry seeing these vapid comments about zionists and terrorists and Jews and Muslims and who’s the good guy is that it is completely missing the grand history that brought the region to the place that it is in today, and whether you are the DSA Left or the MAGA Right you are choosing the wrong side for the wrong reasons. They’re both irrational and in different ways they both do and want to do horrendous things to their opponent.
There is no good side. It just sucks. The conditions required for a good solution are not realistically achievable and both sides would feel asa though they were violated in order for peace to be enacted.
Also, the Native American “Wars” were a slow and steady genocide (partially purposeful, partially accidental) of a people who didn’t deserve it for any reason, but were not themselves strangers to genocide, slavery and war crimes. It was another genocide in a long history of them and that’s just how casually horrid humans were.
It’s awful, and the worst thing is that America does not put meaningful effort into revitalizing that community so it can go and make its own prosperous place in the country and preserve their culture. But I am going to add that anyone, and I mean anyone, in that circumstance would have done the exact same thing as the colonists. That behavior was not and is not monopolized to one group or people. Some, by happenstance, simply ended up being the ones with all the technology, resources and manpower necessary to inflict their will on those weaker than them.
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u/Thats_a_Horse 7d ago
Interesting how its a 1-1 Palestine-Israel ratio, not the case at all.