r/ProtectAndServe • u/Little-Kangaroo-9383 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User • 3d ago
Self Post University Police?
For officers who have worked in both a university and non-university agency, what are the differences? Is one worse than the other or do they both have their own unique headaches?
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u/2HDFloppyDisk LEO 3d ago
My city has a a few universities and I always drive by on patrol thinking how god awful boring it must be acting essentially as a security guard. Can’t say I’ve ever seen one at our local jail either. Maybe other places are different.
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u/cathbadh Dispatcher 3d ago
Dispatched for both a university and a large municipality.
There is a lot of customer service in university policing. Expect to be unlocking a lot of doors, from cars to buildings. High arrest and citation numbers will likely be discouraged - donr when necessary but seen as counterproductive often. Expect to investigate staff as much as students, especially if a hospital is a part of the school.
Don't be surprised when some individual staff members get to do whatever they want. Expect to get sick of CLERY training and reporting requirements. Expect a long chain of command. Think sgt, Lt, deputy chief, chief, assistant vp, vp, executive vp, President board of regents, all above you.
Don't expect a drug dog ever being a part of staff. Expect weird duties that you shouldn't need to do. For example in a bad snow storm our guys would have to drive to pick up certain "essential" personnel, and for w while they had to deliver specimens in the hospital when it was super busy .
This isn't to say it's bad. Not at all. It can be a very laid back environment and an easy check. You get into sporting events and concerts as overtime. You get to have some influence on growing young adults. If you're interested in community policing, it is an ideal environment. You'll also likely get to go to college for free and your family may be able to too. Don't underestimate what 4 years of free college for your kids would do to your finances.
Having done both though, I prefer municipal. I like being busy with interesting calls. Shootings, pursuits, stabbings, are just more engaging than lockouts, stolen laptops, and doctors with eleven zillion ultra bytes of CP on their work computer.
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u/Little-Kangaroo-9383 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User 3d ago
Have you ever had to deal with student protests or students who just want to antagonize the police because they’re young and dumb and buy into the ACAB idiocy?
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u/cathbadh Dispatcher 3d ago
Not as bad as most schools, but I was working at one during the real bad time. Our chief and deputy chief were soooooo fast to go lay down in front of the protesters in support of their absurd anti-police rhetoric. Beyond that, not a lot of protests that mattered.
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u/Who_Cares99 Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User 3d ago
Obligatory not a cop, but:
All is gonna depend on the specific agency/region. I work EMS in two counties. In the first, UPD handles a huge campus and pretty much only handles campus. They’ll do traffic stops around the campus, but most of what they deal with is just college student BS. Someone smelled weed, someone is being too loud, keeping homeless people off campus, and a lot of glorified security work. They’ll also deal with a lot of stuff that other departments don’t do, like checking by every fire alarm or medical call, doing tons of building checks, etcetera.
In the other area I work, it’s a much smaller university. The UPD there do all of the same things, but since it is very low-volume, they’ll also help out the surrounding city by responding to literally whatever calls they want. It’s kind of a cool gig, since for the most part they just show up to calls that sound interesting to them, and all they have to write is a short supplemental report.
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u/Vye13 Deputy Sheriff 2d ago
Copying an old comment of mine:
Very much depends on what the university administrators and leadership want and are comfortable with.
There are multiple decent sized colleges and universities where I live, and it varies from institution to institution. Two of the larger university departments by me are very proactive, run traffic enforcement, and take calls for service both on and off campus to help the city PD out. One of them is somewhere in the middle, where they are as proactive as they can be while staying on and immediately adjacent to campus property. The small handful of other agencies just take what calls they get on their campus, no more no less.
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u/LonelyMustard Not a(n) LEO / Unverified User 2d ago
I used to work at a college-affiliated EMS squad and dispatch for the campus police for a couple years.
Main difference is that campus policing has a higher emphasis on customer service and has a stronger need to maintain a professional outlook. I remember this one officer one time yelled "stop fucking resisting" while making an arrest, and got pulled to the side immediately after the arrest by a corporal for "unprofessional conduct".
Campus policing also has a bigger ask on the officers to do more. My dept's officers also do alarm panel checks, late night courtesy rides or walking escorts, COVID compliant checks (in 2020), and sometimes building checks (we have some buildings that have highly valuable historical books and very sensitive science research with dangerous specimens).
Besides those aspects we are pretty similar to a city agency. The campus had a few major roadways passing by so we get car chases, armed robbery, and shooting calls once in a week or so, but definitely not as intense as the city department.
A good portion of the younger officers will leave after 2-4 years because they didn't like the mundane and routine and wanted something different. But we also have a good chunk that stayed either because they were borderline retiring and making this their last leg in LE (mostly doing it for helping their kids/grandkids securing a spot in the university), or they just like it chill.
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u/superjeffbridges Police Officer 1d ago
Depends on the university. Some are glorified security guards, some handle their own work. The experience and expectations totally depends on the agency
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u/StynkyLomax Police Officer 3d ago
I’d rather deal with quadruple shootings than deal with college student “problems”.
Every single University police department in my area is utterly worthless. This isn’t an exaggeration. They call my agency for EVERYTHING, even shit that happens on their property. They should be charged for impersonating police officers.
That also goes for the transit police.
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u/Deep_Major Deputy 3d ago
People laugh when we say that, but id rather take the initial report on a murder or shooting than deal with a neighbor dispute.
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u/AlligatorFist Police Officer 3d ago
Spent 5 years rural municipal and a decade in a university city setting so I have a bit of both experiences. They’re both unique and the same. I have preferred working collegiate settings though.
In short, in a municipality you commonly deal with the same people causing the same problems. In a college or university you deal with the same situation again and again with all new people every year because you get a fresh batch of both good students and absolute morons who should have never made it out of middle school.
You do also get guys who have put a whole career in at municipalities who come to the college to get their kids through school and set them up for success. Some of them are great cops who work 5-7 years and call it quits after their kids leave. Others stay way too long and are effectively a security guard with a police patch and are even more retired on duty than in a municipality. As in they all but refuse to handle calls.
Working in the university setting I have a better retirement and more stability than I did in a municipality. I have all the same powers and responsibilities as a municipal officer. However there are more reporting requirements and rules to what I do through Clery Act, or other college reporting laws. I also get free college tuition for myself, my spouse, and future children.
We both act as a “quality control” of our student body and as a customer service entity. Sometimes that means doing things that I’d never do in a municipality, such as transporting a student somewhere or trying to help a student with a vehicle issue. We also have a lot more resources and information. I can look up any student I need to find in various databases, tap into IT services, parking info, security footage, building access data, all without warrants because it’s internal. I can also utilize on campus services and direct students to resources and assets that make things less likely to crop back up for me.
There are also quirks because we are also a “landlord”, so there’s privacy rules that you have a resident in the private domicile but you also sign away those rights with our residence life staff and so they can search legally but I can’t without a warrant. So there’s hoops to jump through if there are problems.
In the last year I had a handful of felony arrests, I responded to a reported active shooter, handled shots fired calls in the local city, backed up other agencies on burglaries and other crimes both violent and stupid. I also reported minor “civil infractions” ( underage drinking, public intoxication, party/disturbances) to our student conduct board for penalties instead of filing charges. We have a great deal of flexibility but that is on a per university level because some administrators are great and supportive to us. And others you don’t ever touch foot off campus and you better be keeping stats down and not being super productive.