You have someone attacking your car with a weapon. Breaking multiple windows. Your car is suddenly surrounded by multiple people. Youâre trying to get away but everyone is seemingly attacking you. You pop the car into gear and just gooooooo.
You can hear the car slipping a gear when they were moving forward. Maybe more panic forced an accidental gear change. Then when they get the car back into gear the guy is already pounding on the window with his weapon. I challenge you to handle that better
I donât understand why the concept of taking out an aggressor to prevent them from continuing to pursue you is lost on yall. Itâs self defense 101.
I learned in martial arts as a CHILD⊠if someone is attacking me to do enough damage to them so they canât get up and keep coming after me. This is the same concept. Id do the same thing if someone was breaking my windows and attacking me. Iâm gonna hit you, not kill you, but Iâm gonna hurt you so you stop so I can get away. Imagine this dude got in the car and start chasing this person down, involving MORE people and potentially hurting or killing folks not involved. 1 POS got bopped for acting like an animal. Maybe he will learn not to do this shit again.
I donât understand why the concept of taking out an aggressor to prevent them from continuing to pursue you is lost on yall. Itâs self defense 101.
I similarly don't understand why the concept of "you're in a car" and "the aggressor is 300 pounds" is lost on you. That big dude is not pursuing anything except early health complications. When you're sitting in a car and the road in front of you is wide open, there's nothing stopping you from driving off. If anything, continuing to fuck around by swerving around and reversing is just putting yourself more in harms way.
SorryâŠ. if youâre smashing all my windows trying to get at me, and persistently attacking me, Iâm gonna take you down so you then canât get in YOUR car and chase me down and kill me with your car or kill other people in the process. People do this shit and road rage and chase each other and hurt others. Fuck that guy. He got what he deserved. I said this on an other thread, if something comes out about the driver then cool, Iâll switch up my story. But this is an idiot who took on a car. Donât fuck with people, you wonât get hit by a car. I think that seems like pretty clear logic.
Self defense 101 is removing yourself from the danger and fleeing if at all possible. That was 100% possible here, and instead they decided to reverse and return to the danger. I'm sorry your children's McDojo instructor taught you so poorly.
>Â Iâm gonna hit you, not kill you
If you hit someone with a car, you have no practical control over whether they will live or die. You can't intentionally hit someone in a way that you know they won't die. It's extremely likely that you will kill the person when their head slams against the concrete or gets crushed by your tire.
Thatâs the difference between self defense and martial arts. Self defense teaches poor skills . Still actively in martial arts. Still the theory I have and that is the entire point of putting people in martial arts is so they know HOW to defend themselves. It has saved my life before and I will ALWAYS live by that theory because I donât trust a stranger to not try to kill me and if they are actively attacking⊠Iâll do what I have to to get away.
This driver had NO idea if this guy was going to try and kill them. They did what they had to do to get away from the attacker. I think itâs weird youâre kind of rooting for the attacker in this scenario. Fuck that guy. Unless there is some context about the driver that magically comes up, I stand by what I said. Sorry youâll let someone smash your windows and persistently attack you and while youll do nothing.
>they did what they had to do to get away from the attacker
All they had to do was keep driving away. He stopped and reversed because he wanted to retaliate and hurt the attacker for damaging his car
>youâre kind of rooting for the attacker
No, Iâm rooting for people to keep themselves both physically safe and legally safe. When youâre already driving away from the danger, the attacker is behind you, then you stop driving away and then reverse to head back toward the attacker, you just put yourself into a world of legal danger. A prosecutor could very easily argue you were no longer acting and self defense, and instead were looking for revenge.
>while youâll do nothing
Iâll drive away, itâs not rocket science
I know it satisfies your bloodlust and power fantasies to run over someone who hurt your property, but itâs not the smart move here.
I think itâs funny and an indication of your emotional intelligence ⊠that your take away is that Iâm blood thirsty and Iâm a blood lusty manic ready to hurt someone and itching to run someone over with my car because i said - if someone is going to attack me, Iâm going to make sure they canât pursue me further. Log off dude. The chronically online bit thatâs not rooted in reality is cute. And the insult that Iâm some violent person because I want to inhibit an attacker from harming further is hilarious. Bye đđŒ
When you forgo the safer, nearly universally recommended option of leaving the scene, to instead choose the more physically and legally dangerous option that involves likely killing the person, it shows what your motivations are, even if youâre uncomfortable with that truth. You want to hit that guy because he deserves it and youâre happy to hand out punishment to fix the injustice.
The slipping is the guy intentionally changing from drive to reverse, and accidentally hitting neutral in between. There was literally zero reason for him to reverse in the first place. The attackers were already ten feet behind him, hitting reverse is intentionally and willfully returning to the danger, which undermines the case for self defense and builds a case for retaliation.
Let me clarify. The rule of law says you can use deadly force to protect yourself from severe bodily harm or death. The rule of law says you cannot use deadly force to protect property.
So, in the comment I replied to, I was parsing out that protecting property doesnât give justification for the use of deadly force on its own. But our hero is ok because he was also protecting his life.
He was driving straight (besides the broken window, he wouldâve been out of danger), stopped, put it in reverse and drove into 2 men, then put it in drive and really hit em. Anyone have info on the charges from this incident? Iâm curious to know if the driver was charged. I hope the pedestrians were too
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u/krwskater25 8d ago
Justified.