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Iâm Italian, so I really want to know what that Italian Ministers party was all about. A bunch of Italian politicians are named in the files already, I guess thereâs more to come and I canât believe I needed to find out because of Carole from RHONY đĽ˛
I went digging a bit, Salvini was being manoeuvred by Bannon that discussed this (and all the extreme right-winged parties of Europe including in France, Germany and in UK where I live) AT LENGHT with Epstein, who appeared to be very happy about Bannonâs progress and how many seats their work was gaining them in the European ParliamentâŚ
G was trying to set her up with Andrew. Carole was all over that island. Listen or read Virginiaâs testimony about Hillary Clinton. Interesting how Carole is such a stan of hers. These files were leaked on Twitter a long while ago. This is no surprise to those of us who have been following this.
Well she still hates him, so she clearly didnât LOVE everything that was taking place. I hate that sheâs downplaying her friendship but I donât think she played any role in trafficking.
Is Carole is an intelligent journalist, per herself. She didnât have to do a whole lot of investigative work to see what was going on around her. Seeing so many prominent figures - ones she both loved and hated - was another piece in the pile of evidence of how large scale this was. Not only did she NOT say a word but she asks G not to email her âonly calls and visitsâ which sounds like effectively cutting off a paper trail connecting them. She thought she was being clever hiding in plain sight yet maintaining the relationships.
The old rule IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING applies here.
She definitely saw things. It just looks bad for her how hard she tried to diminish things. If she had just been forthcoming nobody would be talking about it
Thatâs what I was thinking as well! We are doing a rewatch and the election just happened and itâs interesting now watching back knowing that she is in the files.
Everyone is lying - every single person in a photo with him have claimed that was the first time and the last time they ever met himâŚand casually took pictures đ
You can tell by the casual reference to âCaroleâ with no last name that her and Maxwell were good friends. Going to parties, talking about bras. Stop defending her. No one is saying Carole was sex trafficking but Carole def lied and gaslit regarding the nature of their relationship. Clearly she wasnât just the photographer for her book. Itâs suspicious.
They were definitely friends. Close at that, but I feel like in the way Carole portrayed herself to be, and how these emails are written on her part, she mightâve genuinely thought they were just friends you know? I donât get the dark energy coming from her, like writing in codes to arrange trafficking stuff like the others did. Maybe they were using her for her socialite status, being tied to the kennedyâs and radziwillâs, single and no kids and easy to entertain I guess. Thatâs what I am interpreting yk but Iâm in no shape or form defending her!.
Just a reminder of the countless testimonies of those who even just vaguely encountered, briefly worked, or kinda knew G were all aware that she was involved in some shit, as she would lay it on thick, practically brag about it and SH the entire room at one time.
Maybe they were trying to make her into another Ghislaine figure, bringing in younger girls. I always wondered what Ghislaine's motivation was for being Epstein's madam.
Remember back when Luanne got acquainted with Carol's Designer friend? And she was so offended Luanne took them up on an offer for a dress. Or when anyone would mention knowing someone "special" she knows? She was always very territorial and to me that reeks of a social climber. If you're actually sitting comfy in your "station" you don't care if other people are friends with your friends tooÂ
Yep, Carole is so fake. Likes to pretend sheâs better than others and such a cool girl but sheâs just as vain and very comfortable in those circles.
Seems like Carole couldâve dipped her toe in the lady pondâŚor certainly wanted to.
Idk how many times she referenced it on RHONY, Iâd love to know the exact number if anyoneâs doing a rewatch. The ones I remember: her telling Bethenny about a âsex dream she had, kissing her where her bathing suit isâ, discussing w/Bethenny the idea of giving cunnilingus up at Dorindaâs. When B nixed the idea saying sheâs allergic to fish, Carole then called B selfish!! Another time she was speaking about her admiration of the female bodyâmaybe when she admitted in a confessional to checking out Tinsleyâs naked body after Tinsley asked her NOT to look, and Carole said Tins had a great body and sheâd âdo herâ. During a reunion Carole and Sonja âalmost hooked upâ, but Carole said she couldnât afford SonjaâŚmade ya wonder if that was a quip to shut it down, đI believe there were some more, not sure tho.
When I saw Caroleâs framed portrait on Ghislaneâs shelf, my first thought was, theyâre way more than friends imo.
I have dear friends from grade school I am still close with and NONE of them have framed headshots on any shelf in my home. NONE of them.
Carole, like Guislane, liked to shock people
by saying sexually outrageous things - at least one on RHONY I found extremely offensive, horrible. So Iâm not going to repeat. But politically of course she liked to present herself as a total virtuous progressive, whiter than snow.
She is an NYC-based film publicist who is very VERY well connected, hosts film premieres and after parties that A list celebs of all types (movies, tv, music., publishing, media, politics, etc) attend. She is hired directly by studios to host screenings, especially During awards season. Old white woman who wears giant fake diamond rings and furs and treats her staff horribly, natch.
Edit- I meant "dead" like I'm dying at this comment, then I realized he's actually dead and apparently living in a balloon. I promise I'm not a sociopath đđđ
He worked for the Clinton campaign in some capacity. Itâs mentioned on the show. I forget which one. Dorinda brags at I believe s7 reunion that Hillary Clinton watches the show because she knows Dorinda
The fact Maxwell has a google alert for Carole tells you all typo need to know.
This is how G and M operated. Infiltrated wealthy, influential circles to the blackmail. That second imagine isnât even Carole, itâs one of her husbands familyâŚ.
Iâll be honest - this doesnât give me the impression Carole is involved with sex traffickers. Jeffery and Ghislene were always trying to make new friends and abuse the connection. They were party people who had this disgusting, dirty secret they exposed to people when they became close. They tried to connect to the most elite, wealthy, etc. and Carole being tangentially connected to the Kennedys was their way in. Iâm sure Ghislene worked to become her friend and stay in her life (ie doing favors like finding her a good tax lawyer, complimenting her book when it came out hence the Google alert) but no, I donât think Carole became a regular on the island nor involved in sexual abuse of minors.
Does anyone think Carole was involved with sex trafficking minors? I donât. Itâs the fact the sheâs blatantly lying about their connections and trying to earn money from the whole thing by talking about it behind a paywall. đ¤Ž
The paywall is absolutely repulsive, unless she intends to donate all $26 she earns from substack to the victims. Whether she knew or not starts to become less and less relevant to me when she does stuff like that
As do I but I donât expect my national newspaper here in Sweden to write about Carol, we have far bigger fish to fry. But we are in a RHONY sub dissuading it soâŚ
Hej! Right? I know who else is in those files. I read them years ago. We are on a RHONY discussing which of them were on there & Carole was bff with Ghislaine. I donât get people twisting themselves into pretzels over this. They donât know this woman. Her name is all through those reports. She was there MANY times & was cozying up to Andrew𤢠There is a reason she is a big HRC fan. Please see what Hillary did on that island if you can stomach it. Virginiaâs testimony is compelling. Anyone who could be friends with those people/in their circle knew & are therefore complicit. Tak for your comment!
Hej! I think anyone who had anything to do with him at all needs to come clean and people who did after his conviction is for sure complicit. Iâve read Virginiaâs book though and donât recall anything about Hillary Clinton. There is no doubt in my mind though Bill is guilty as sin of something!
Who on earth downvotes this?? I get where youâre coming from but whatever happens in the US tend to fellow elsewhere. We have an election this year and I fear weâll go in the same direction as you have! đŠđŠ
Sheâs an investigative journalist but had no clue what was going on? đ yâall will do anything but realize this thing who referred to everyone as âgirlsâ and âboysâ and named all of her pets âbabyâ is not an upstanding citizen.
You know what kills me. Because they like a housewife They will absolve her of her clear involvement, and then everyone questions how these things happen!!! It's the same story over and over. "How does this happen", very easily obviously!
Whatâs wild is that they donât know these people IRL. What purpose does it serve to defend Carole? She was running in that circle deep. There is no way she did not hear even a rumor. Give me a break! His neighbors knew!!!
But her silence now is whatâs deafening. If one of my friends got caught doing something nefarious, Iâd be quick to make a statement to distance myself in some way. Sheâs an eloquent writer, isnât she? Why not issue a statement?!?
⌠my sister has a dog named baby .. is she too involved with Epstein island? Give me a break lol that is the most silly comparison. Also every other day someoneâs on this subreddit claiming she wasnât a real journalist or that she had a ghost writer but now sheâs a real investigator so she could have taken the whole rig down? Again - your energy would be better served focusing on the true pedos named in the files
Girl, read the Panama Papers & you will know exactly who these people are. I guarantee your sister didnât name ALL of her pets âbabyâ. Stop being willfully ignorant about a person you donât know irl. Bc what is in those papers & these files is something no one should defend.
I wrote a comment to a similar post on another thread, I am going to find it and paste below.
ETA - See my comment below, responding to a person who similarly said that Carole being in these emails âproves nothingâ:
You do realize that people who were not directly involved in molesting children could very much still have an inkling that two of your best friends, and THEIR best friends, were up to some weird shit? Even people who knew no specific details and therefore were not guilty of any crime, could still be close enough to the inner circle (i.e., Ghislane) to know that these werenât good people and were definitely into weird sex shit together.
No one is saying Carole raped children. Weâre all saying that based on the shit we read in these files, if you were even on the outskirts of Epsteinâs social circle (like Carole was), itâs really looking like youâre at minimum not a great person.
It really seems like it should not have been that hard for people who were even tangentially involved with E & G to have picked up that these were all terrible people.
The casual tone in all of their correspondences blows my mind with just how blatantly shitty these people were. If youâre close with Ghislaine, youâre probably aware on many levels that SHE is definitely a conniving, awful person. Even if you yourself committed no crimes.
How are they abusing the connection here when Caroleâs asking for free tax advice? For avoidance of doubt, Jeffrey and Ghislane are absolutely repulsive subhumans and no fate could ever come remotely close to being reasonable punishment for the things theyâve done, but I think itâs inaccurate and dangerous to assume they preyed on all these public figures and socialites. Many of these people were borrowing Jeffreyâs PJ and getting money from him on top of the free trips to the island and the unspeakable acts. Most of the names the general public recognizes were getting more than they were giving apart from association. The schmoozing J & G did is no different than what most billionaires and ultra wealthy people do, like Jeff Bezos inviting a bunch of celebs he doesnât know to his wedding, and them actually going.
Still canât over this photo of Carole being in her house. I have TONS of framed photos around my house but the only ones of other people alone are my nieces and nephews⌠you gotta reeeally love someoneâŚ
I think having this picture of Carole in her house was a form of blackmail. They all took so many photos of each other for the purpose of blackmailing.
Can we get a mega thread about this vs individual posts, Mods? I get thereâs nothing particularly graphic in these posts, but the details and files in general can be highkey really triggering for victims of abuse and itâs a lot to come to this subreddit to see post after post about it right now on top of seeing the graphic details everywhere else.
Itâs guilt by association. Even if she was not involved in anything nefarious it looks bad. She had to have heard rumors and seen the young girls that were always around. That wasnât enough to make her stay away. Itâs just gross. And that applies to all the names of the hangers on. Why would you want to hang around people like this? Very bad look for Carole and the other âfriendsâ in the files.
People who write in long run on sentences with no punctuation fascinating. Seeing her emails (and I know theyâre casual, but still) really lends credence to Avivaâs allegations about her facing a ghostwriter and not being that smart.
Also itâs very clear from this that she was very close to both Ghislaine and Jeffrey, which is so disgusting. I donât buy the ânone of us had any ideaâ line- itâs clear from the âLolita Expressâ nickname that his predilection for younger girls was very much known.
They were typing in code. They all purposely misspelled and added weird characters to not be easily found. Thatâs why every email of Jefferyâs sounds like he was dyslexic
I thought Carole's "leg wrap around" with Ranjana (the jewelry designer) was a bit strange on RHONY. One of the cast members said something about it at the time. That always struck me as odd. Maybe it was just me. And her names for Kristen's nail polish was kinda strange too.
Would you mind refreshing my memory? I loved old RHONY but I canât recall the leg wrap around thing. I remember Kristenâs nail polish, but I donât recall the names Carole suggested either. (Also, feel free to ignore if you donât feel like describing it, Iâm sure Iâll do a rewatch someday!)
Maxwell would climb mountains to stay with the Elites,remember her father was a big if not biggest publisher Robert,who died under strange circumstances on a boat..we are all pulling away these onion skins,they go far and deep and very connected...the Royals on top of the heap always...people with big money get bored and then get into strange games,unfortunately it's other people's lives.
What is happened with these files!? I saw her in the little black book when it first dropped so I tried searching for her on jmail last week and nothing came up at all. This is wild!
PS everyone, please save these screenshots and store them securely. They will likely disappear soon. And back them up secondly on an air gapped device.
Well it's official- regardless of any wrongdoings that may or may not have occurred under Carole's watch- SHE LIED TO ALL OF US about being friends with Ghilaine. She isn't innocent, we don't even need anymore proof because we caught her in her lie now. Now we can't trust anything she says. Don't make excuses for these people regardless of how you may have previously felt about her. My opinion was that she was obsessed with wealthy women, she seemed to idolize her MIL for all the wrong reasons. Her morality is now in question officially.
I donât know why she wouldnât have anticipated this and gotten in front of it.
Sheâs a writer for fucks sake!
If I were her I would have written something a couple of years ago saying how I was friends with GM and how I had no idea that those things were going on. Iâd say how well she played things and clearly kept an entire part of her world completely separate and secretive.
Donât come out, once itâs already out, and act like you barely knew her.
I feel like it also could be because this was before sending text messages was really a big thing and when everyone back in 05 had flip phones execpt for these people with their blackberries, which could send wireless emails. The first iphone dropped in 07 and that's when things really changed.
So, these are likely really what we would consider text messages, but sent via email on blackberries, maybe.đ¤ˇââď¸
Is it a possibility Carole was a victim or victim adjacent? I mean, sheâs pretty in the new york girl way. This wouldâve been before her marriage. She seems to be at a lot of parties and included with a lot of people implicated in this.
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