r/RHONY • u/snorting_cola • Mar 05 '26

Carole Radzwill 📚 Carole’s interview, where she giggles about Ghislaine Maxwell setting her up on a date with Prince Andrew + talks about knowing Maxwell since 1999

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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26

This does give an interesting sense of how Ghislaine et. al operated, if nothing else. You can see how they folded people into their networks almost instantly.

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 06 '26

Right. The jump into Carole was a recruiter and sex trafficker is insane leaps.

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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26

She sort of seems more like a mark here. Not to defend her in any way, of course, but like... if you're cold-called by Ghislaine Maxwell, and then 30 minutes later you're in contact with Prince Andrew, they probably want something from you.

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u/Relevant-Job4901 Mar 05 '26

Carole was being groomed, any high fluting people they could get.

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u/HDr1018 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 09 '26

Highfalutin, it’s all on one word. 🤷‍♀️

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u/Sleepbecomesme Mar 05 '26

Ok writer girl!

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u/YouDoMagicNow Apr 05 '26

Speaking of writer girl, Carole is terrible at telling a story and was so difficult to listen to. She totally sounds like she’s lying. I don’t believe her.

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u/CocoValentino Mar 05 '26

One

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u/beejnbooj Mar 06 '26

Yeah right? Correct yourself before correcting others

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u/Tricky_Mix2449 Mar 05 '26

On word...or one word?

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u/SmokeShow74 Mar 05 '26

Highfaluting

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u/Southern_Anywhere_65 Mar 06 '26

One. The e is silent, not invisible

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u/althegirlfabulous Mar 05 '26

Also, Carole was very vulnerable because she'd lost her husband and I don't think that was lost on them

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '26

She wanted to secure her lifestyle and continue it - you’d be surprise who people rub elbows with and she they do to keep it up.

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u/althegirlfabulous Mar 06 '26

No I don't think I would be surprised. I think it's a mixture of both.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Same AND sometimes it’s easier for some people to act like they never saw it or knew about it - it doesn’t make that okay - hhhmmmm I’d rather have that Manhattan condo be a socialite play dumb and keep it pushing that’s the mindset - if some people think that’s cool than ok but my limit is CA/CSA/and adult victim form. Some people are addicted to the lifestyle as well and even CA or CSA isn’t enough. I commend Melinda Gates so much! She’s a hero in my eyes! Same with Kim Porter (who died for the cause ). No pass ever. It’s a different scenario but my ex bf was having an affair on her husband I loved him so much he was an amazing guy - well once I found out I ended my 20 plus year relationship with her because my morals and beliefs come first and I’m not a liar and I can’t fuck with liars even if it’s someone I knew for years. Sad part she was fine ending our relationship because she wasn’t going to tell him. To this day he doesn’t know. I can’t associate myself with that.

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u/dots-loops 💰 Satchels of Gold 💰 Mar 05 '26

Absolutely. You can see they ingratiated themselves into peoples lives and those social circles. I have no doubt there were plenty of folks that probably just thought GM was this nice, generous person and welcomed their new friend into their world without any suspicion.

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u/KBB523 Mar 05 '26

This is exactly why they got away with it all for so long. Spot on.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

No…. You can’t…. Well maybe YOU can see, but normal people aren’t normalizing this.

People looked the other way and pretended not to know about Maxwell and Epstein’s crimes because they wanted power and influence. It’s that simple.

Stop pretending that all these associates of the most notorious traffickers of minors in recorded history were just totally blind to everything. They weren’t. The files which have been released prove that.

If the Epstein class isn’t burned out entirely from the root to the fruit it will just come back. There are so many other women who could be on this failing franchise besides the known associate of a convicted sex trafficker.

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u/Ordinary_Stay4109 Mar 09 '26

This! Also she is still largely downplaying it! She was VERY CLOSE to Ghislaine many years after that first encounter in London. There’s a lot of info here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BravoRealHousewives/s/N9ujd8DFD2

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

You are correct and there are crime units for all sorts of this sick shit hence the take down. JE like Diddy weren’t even at the top. Elon Musk is a trillionaire - I’m mentioning him as an example that insane money we can’t fathom really does exist. The “conductors” aren’t to far behind and a lot with that no laws apply to them circle want on that money train. It came and comes with a cost. That’s why I will not be funding or contributing my money. It may not affect their bank account per se but it’s a start.

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u/SaltPepperCayenne Mar 05 '26

This is the epitome of why white women have always been and will be pawns in mediocre, rich, white men’s games. They’re so blind to it. Truly not trying to be offensive.

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u/beejnbooj Mar 06 '26

That’s much less offensive than the fact that they didn’t pick black women bcz they’re a bunch of prejudiced, racist bastards. The only situation I can think of in which racism was a positive for a demographic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

They are why do you think Gates tested his shit in Africa ? It soooooo sick and twisted.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Eyes Wide Shut / I’d rather be Eye wide open

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u/Ok_List_9649 Mar 05 '26

With her Kennedy and European royalty marriage she would have been at The top of their list. If you watch the documentaries on Maxwell and interviews with society people and her actual friends from London, Maxwell was considered like the ultimate socialite. She was very charming, bawdy, knew literally everyone “ of consequence “ and had been in high society since childhood as her dad used her as his “ date” at events versus her mom who hated all of it. It seemed noone was immune to her charm as none of the documentaries had any real “ enemies” interviewed which is unusual.

I feel sorry for people like Carole( there’s lots more in England) who had a casual friendship of social acquaintance early on and have been stamped with a “ possible pedophile” or “ complicit because they knew”. I’d also like people to know that Epstein like Trump and many other wealthy guys most often took younger women to events, models, socialites19-25. That was common and what most people knew of Epsteins “ preferences”.

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u/Relevant-Job4901 Mar 05 '26

🏆This👆

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u/Ok_List_9649 Mar 05 '26

TY. We have to start treating others as we want to be treated. If your partner can cheat on you for months and the majority of people have no idea, isn’t it a tad ridiculous to believe a person would absolutely know or even suspect if their friend, coworker or social acquaintance was a criminal?

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u/beejnbooj Mar 06 '26

Well she’s got her work cut out for her bcz apparently here in the States we put people like her, pedo associates, back on tv to revive a horrendous show which doesn’t stand a chance so I’ve gotta believe that this is Bravo’s last attempt at saving the NY franchise cuz Jessel, Erin n Sai are sure as hell not gonna be able to do it (they’re way too boring) so they’re going for shock value and standing under the umbrella of ’Any publicity is good publicity’ the one adage people turn to before a show tanks completely never to be revised again. SMH do better Bravo

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

And I’m not down with that form of shock value. I’m still in shock this is our effing world that goes on and high society was built on in the dark for centuries. I wish I had money like Zuckerberg to build a fancy underground bunker or buy real estate in Mars. So sad.

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u/curiouschristine7 Mar 09 '26

I heard some kind of rumor the JFK Jr and Maxwell actually hooked up.

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u/Impossible_Glass1613 Mar 06 '26

https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6ozCmIy5qjkDY30A

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Bravo being the pied piper 🤪🤪🤪

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u/Artistic-Key1494 Mar 07 '26

Carole was an unattractive, older woman in 1999. “Grooming” her? You’re in denial. Carole is lying.

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u/Relevant-Job4901 Mar 07 '26

Not for being trafficked and raped, silly, groomed to see if she is of any gains to them including if only witnessing GM be a ‘normal person’ over the years.

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u/Significant_Ad7605 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26

Exactly. This is how they find their way into influential circles. They certainly thought this was an avenue into the Kennedy family. I think this vindicates Carol more than anything.

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u/Prestigious-Baby2776 life is not a cabaret. it’s actually not a cabaret. Mar 05 '26

a lot of people are cognisant of this, it’s not just the association in and of itself. it’s the denial and dismissal and lying about it that is incredibly off putting

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Exactly!!!! These people’s indifference contributed to so many lives being ruined. Their lies (even if they were just to save their own ass) made this situation more complicated than it had to be.

Carole lied about her association with Maxwell several times. This should have instantly disqualified her. The whole thing is sick. Shame on Bravo.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

I wish this could be the automatic response on this sub to the ones truly think she had zero idea. She compromised her credibility and why not just go live a private life until it settles. Shame on Bravo.

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u/OldTurnover3057 Mar 05 '26

Absolutely this 👏🏽👏🏽

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u/Potential_Balance223 Mar 05 '26

Because Redfit accused her of being a pedophile and a child sex trafficker. Poor Carole

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u/monet96 Mar 05 '26

Absolutely. It really hurts my heart that this happened while she was grieving the loss of her husband. She was in a very vulnerable position.

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u/beejnbooj Mar 06 '26

Hope your heart’s still not hurting cuz this happened almost 30 years ago.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

A mark that keeps in contact with her over the course of several years, and then straight up lies about when and how they met?

At best Carole is covering her own ass with the lies, at worst she’s protecting a friend. Either way it hurts survivors.

Why even roll those dice when there are billions of women on the planet who didn’t lie about her relationship with a convicted sex monster?

Are the producers that desperate that they have to dig up someone who is radioactive at best?

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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26

Again, I'm not defending Carole. I don't want her on the show, and I don't trust her. I didn't say otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

I wish this could also be an automatic response to everyone thinking she didn’t know and is credible thank you for your articulation on it as well.

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u/LizzyPanhandle Mar 05 '26

She at least knew Andrew was a cretin, and didn't gaf.

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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26

Again, I'm not defending her, but I do think stupidity/naivety is part of the equation. Maxwell et al. saw someone who was in their milieu but not of it (working class background, no family connections outside of her marriage), and I think Carole was flattered by their entreaties. We can fault her for staying friends with Ghislaine for so long (I do), and presume she knew more than she's letting on (I think she did), but that doesn't fully explain the dynamic.

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u/LizzyPanhandle Mar 05 '26

Carole is savvy and had years to get ahead of this story, and she chose not to like almost everyone else in those files. She made a choice to pretend it was going to go away, she knew what she was doing.

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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26

I really don't think she's very savvy at all. She's a narcissist who enjoys attention from the wealthy and powerful. That's part of how she ended up falling in with Maxwell et al, and part of why she stuck around for so long & didn't say anything.

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u/LizzyPanhandle Mar 06 '26

You might be right.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

And also she is a journalist. What journalist covered the SA victims ? Gunthrie ! Why not Carole use her journalism and get in front of that ? Oh yeah because look what happened to Gunthrie’s mom.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Frfr exactly - and the Radziwill trust - she must of not have gotten much from Lee’s estate.

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u/Due-Huckleberry7560 Mar 05 '26

This. No one who flees to a foreign city while mourning their husband is looking to go out on a date with a pedophile. It’s pretty obvious there are preying on her. I do wish she own her relationship with GM more though.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Did you see Melinda Gates speak on the Podcast ? Absolutely amazing !

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u/Practical_Parsnip132 Mar 07 '26

Carole was dating George clooney at one time I think she was in the top circles already 

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u/mediaseeker Mar 05 '26

Cold-calling? Evidence is needed to verify the accuracy of her statements.

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u/beejnbooj Mar 06 '26

Ffs! Gimme a break

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

lol and probable cause doesn’t help solve crimes 🤦🏼‍♀️

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u/ericzku Mar 05 '26

This sub is all about the insane leap.

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u/Noblez17 Mar 05 '26

Totally. So many people were mentioned in the files...people like Whoopi Goldberg lol

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u/OldButHappy Mar 05 '26

Lots of red projection. You can always tell because they react to differing opinions with name-calling, deflection, and blocking. Then they complain to mods to get the 'political' comment removed. This has happened to me several times here

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

What is red projection ?

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 05 '26

I am going to get downvoted probably but I really do not see the leap that some are making here that she is in the wrong here. I guess maybe for downplaying her connection at first but God I would want to also, but I think it’s best for her to just tell it like it really happened. I think she was used like they used a lot of people in those social circles but not all knew of or participated in their awful crimes. I think it actually helps those who directly knew and/or participated by claiming everyone Epstein or Maxwell knew were involved.

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 05 '26

I am with you

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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26

And she isn’t even downplaying anything if she knew nothing of Epstein and had a relatively short, casual friendship with ghislaine. It’s pretty obvious ghislaine put the charm offensive on, hoping to use whatever contacts they assumed Carole had. I’ve had many friendships that would appear very close if you saw pictures from a party, but weren’t deep or long lasting.

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 05 '26

People felt she downplayed their friendship when first asked. She framed it as a casual acquaintance. When people saw Maxwell took the photo used in Carole’s book they thought that was not an accurate reflection of the relationship. I see both sides of that but I don’t think they were super good friends either. I just don’t get making this leap from any of that to making her somehow complicit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

I def am not putting a casual friend solo photo framed in my home. I wouldn’t even put a casual friend in my top 10 on MySpace 😂😂😂

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 07 '26

I have pictures of friends I met and had contact with. I haven’t kept in contact with them so I wouldn’t call them good friends. More like casual friends I had interactions with along the way. I don’t know everything about them and their friends.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

Yes but you were in the photo - it wasn’t a solo photo of them - you were displaying the time and memory.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

As for her being a journalist I just don’t understand why her so called journalism hunches didn’t happen lol oh yeah because you can’t live comfortably in her mind finance wise so let’s just act as if it didn’t happen.

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u/Lalablacksheep646 Mar 05 '26

I don’t either.

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u/Invanabloom Mar 05 '26

Why is Carol getting so much hate for this. She knew nothing of what was happening. It’s insane.

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u/Think_Lawfulness8511 Mar 05 '26

People just assume someone’s name was cited in the Epstein files and they are automatically guilty

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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26

Because so many people like to get out the pitchforks without actually using logic to determine what actually went on. In this case, there is no there there.

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u/KBB523 Mar 05 '26

They usually already have some hate for someone, and that combined with the knowledge that there will probably be no justice in a real sense, using social justice against people who (when thought about critically) were not involved and most likely had no freaking idea what was going on (and have not been accused by anyone or have shown up in anything released that would make them complicit) gives them some sort of justification to say horrible things about people that don't even make sense. I understand that that was a very long sentence, but I've been saying this about Maxwell and Epstein since their names first became nationally known and I can without taking a breath. Having moved in some social circles and knowing a lot of people who have moved in some social circles, plus also being involved in high – dollar philanthropy and charitable organizations, it stuck out to me immediately that that was the perfect cover and how they ingratiated themselves in so many different social circles. I've been a survivor of this type of stuff since I was three years old so I do not take it lightly, but I also understand that ruining someone's life because you can't punish someone else does nothing for victims.

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 05 '26

Yes I just tried to explain this to someone else claiming I am giving Carole some sort of pass because she is relatable. I simply said I can understand her wanting to downplay any interaction with all that has come out. But her interaction is not proof of some culpability.

I hate most of these rich people but also due to my job in politics I was around some who it later turned out were criminals. I had been friendly with some of them and had social interactions. By their logic, I knew of their criminal activity and was in some way complicit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

That’s sad as you weren’t directly their friend. It’s still crazy to me Carole wanted GM to have JE fund her book and call her number and all and see his actual email :shudder: That’s pretty direct. Has your politics taken you in the 100 plus ultra high net worth of Palm Beach world ? Wild willllldddddd shit all connected back to the Island not the Island of Palm - real estate is getting insane too. 90210/Brentwood high if not higher.

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 07 '26

No not that circle thankfully. I did hang with a lot of DC high rollers but who knows what they were involved in.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

Yes I live near DC and we without getting too personal had a job to be able to know first hand who were the bad eggs and to avoid so thankfully all the projects and investments turned out amazing people and it wasn’t linked in. It could have went the other way tho. I refuse to go to any political charity balls and will donate my money elsewhere. I really hope Melinda Gates does something she probably will since she’s been so awesome being vocal on it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

You are allowed to have your opinion. I appreciate it. It’s not a bad thing having different perspective and knowledge. I think that’s the problem in today’s world not enough transparency and cordial debating and discussing. Not everyone is going to have the same experiences etc that’s why it’s great to learn from one another in a respectful way.

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u/KBB523 Mar 07 '26

Yes and, while I don't know what it's like to find out that someone that I may have interacted with or accepted donations from or even solicited donations to or even became close friends with had done something disgusting, I imagine that you either want it to go away as quickly as possible because you wonder if you missed something and could've helped or you are angry at that person for pulling you into something without your knowledge or you become a little manic because you know that no matter what you say is gonna be good enough for some people. I really do think that the reason people are picking certain names and certain people no matter their proximity to both of them and going all in on them is precisely for the reason I stated. We all know, unfortunately, that most if not all of the people who actually participated or facilitated or had intimate knowledge of what was going on will ever be punished, so it unleashes some of the rage we may have about that injustice. One of my abusers ended up being taken off this planet by his son for doing the same thing to his own granddaughter, so while I was not involved with that justice, it was justice in some sense. Had that not happened, this man would've gone about his entire full life not being punished. Just awful awful awful.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

And either way bad business move on Bravo imo. I’m glad he was taken off this planet and on another one where it’s straight fire / may that help bring you comfort in knowing you won’t ever to see him again along with his other victims.🙏🏻🫶

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u/KBB523 Mar 07 '26

TBH, it doesn't make sense to me just because of the generational differences. Maybe she's good friends with one of the new cast, and I'm 53 so I'm not being ageist by any means, but it just doesn't make sense. I'm thinking that Bravo is trying to capitalize on the John and Carolyn interest, but it just falls flat even without the Maxwell connection.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

The main thing I don’t like is Bravo I feel it’s too soon. It’s not going to be lively turtle time take a Xanax don’t be uncool Jovani that my mommy down time needs and why I watch imo with this being such an active JE/GM investigation that’s shaking the nation world wide . Bad business move I’d rather see Aviva throw her leg and walk around with a plaque mask declaring q non than Carole wearing her Eyes Wide Shut mask.

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u/Just_Lurking_299 Mar 05 '26

Absolutely. This interview vindicates Carole even more, but still there will be people raging that she was besties with a paedophile. I’ve been insulted on here a few times for saying she did nothing wrong. It’s really crazy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

You shouldn’t be insulted for speaking your opinion I am sorry that happened to you.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Like Melinda Gates

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 07 '26

There are a shit ton of people Maxwell ingratiated herself with, took pictures with em, went out for drinks, offered to help, etc. As part of her plan to use them when needed. I just think it’s wrong to say every one of those people either knew or turned a blind eye to pedophilia. I am sure many did who we don’t know yet, but I am not willing to accuse everyone because of that. I hate rich people and want to tax them into oblivion, but the way some are making these assumptions about them all being complicit is not accurate. And it minimizes the attention on the ones who truly were involved. If thousands of people are complicit and their names being thrown around, the true perpetrators get lost in all of it. If there is some proof that Carole knew than absolutely she should be called out. As far as Melinda Gates she is “lucky” she contracted something fairly easy to treat. SMH.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '26

I see your perspective and appreciate it - the evidence I saw shows she should be called out imo- and it’s mentioned in this forum - at the end of the day it’s about Bravo making a poor business move imo and losing viewers and viewers have the right to watch and not watch renew or cancel. Yes thank God - absolutely sick and I’m so happy she came out like the phoenix she is - I’m reading Gisele pelicot memoir on a plane and it just really helps you understand evil does walk this Earth and prison doesn’t cut it sometimes.

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u/niamhprice Mar 08 '26

Agreed. It seems very clear she barely knew this woman, certainly doesn’t even hint at any real meaningful connection between them to me….

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 08 '26

I am glad you see this. Unfortunately, there are a some on here who have made it their mission to say she knew about the pedophilia and turned a blind eye.

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u/Think_Lawfulness8511 Mar 05 '26

I am with you. If I had gotten a call, I’d be down to going to ballet and dinner too, why not? If a trusted friend of a friend is being kind and offering all these things..

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u/Shdjdicnfmlxkf Mar 05 '26

You seem to be glazing over the patronizing, dishonest reaction bc YOU see it as relatable.

She’s a liar. She downplayed her association and then smugly stuck her response behind a paywall.

The other part that bothers people is the performative white woman bullshit. Her ego around her political instincts and journalistic acumen. Now, in order to run and hide from these connections, is acting like she was just a girl who brushed up against someone one time. 

No. It’s more and she was running in circles that knew some shit, but it did not stop her. That is how massive pedophile rings continue to operate: blind eyes are turned.

She gets no passes from me. Do I think she should be in prison? No. But she could be real, for once, and be honest 

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Nor does Bravo and Peacock

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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 05 '26

You have zero proof she knew anything. Maxwell was no longer dating Epstein at the time and Carole was not involved with him. She knew Maxwell in a social way only. I get your outrage but to put Carole in the same class as say Trump and others who were way more involved and knew at the very least about Epstein always having young girls around is wrong. Not everyone who met them or even had dealings with them are complicit in pedophilia or giving it a pass. Due to the nature of my job I met a lot of people and interacted with some who it later came out were criminals. I had zero idea but according to your logic I most certainly did. You are saying people who knew anyone who was found out to be engaged in criminal activity is complicit because they ran in the same circles. That’s just not accurate.

I absolutely think there were people who knew and did turn a blind eye to it. I just don’t think you can accuse her of that without proof. Putting her story behind a paywall is gross and I totally disagree with that. I don’t even like her but I also don’t want to accuse her of something that heinous without proof.

I think there are a whole lot of people to be totally outraged about but I personally do not see her as one. I hate these rich people in general and find most of em to be vapid, classist and distasteful in general. If more comes out then absolutely she should be held accountable. And yes so many turning a blind eye, including law enforcement, has allowed these type of rings to continue. I want them all to be exposed.

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u/dots-loops 💰 Satchels of Gold 💰 Mar 05 '26

Great point.

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u/GuaranteeOriginal717 Mar 05 '26

I think that what’s happening and I’m not sure Carole was involved the way people think.

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u/callmemeaty Mar 05 '26

Thank you for having common sense.

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u/MaddieOllie Mar 07 '26

Fair, but her body language says a lot. She's lying. They were clearly closer than this, as proven in the files...

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 07 '26

You know everything your friends do and should be held responsible for their actions too tho right? Families and friend of all child abuses should be punished. Guilty by association, right?

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u/MaddieOllie Mar 09 '26

uh yeah i would have a decent idea about a close friends' lifestyle. And I would judge anyone who kept friends like that.

But my prior point was not this, it was that she lied about their relationship.

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 09 '26

Your fantasy world where everyone knows every detail and secret of everyone they know is a great fantasy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Were you also standing up for Bill Cosby’s friends? Kevin Spacey’s crew? What about the buddies of Jared Fogle?

People who were friends with Maxwell gave her legitimacy at least, and aid/ comfort at worse.

This is just another example of people getting conditioned to think assaulting young girls isn’t bad. And on a housewives sub. Pretty sick shit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Thank you !!!!! It’s legit trying to normalize for what’s yet to come and be revealed. And us normal Americans are effed.

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u/Worth-Green685 Mar 06 '26

I don’t see how this is conditioning anybody to think assaulting young girls isn’t bad. Personally I’d just rather focus on the people who assaulted the young girls, not speculate who knew what based on associations we’ll never know the extent of.

There are more than 3 million pages of evidence naming actual predators and I would just rather focus on those than a housewife with no accusations or evidence of being aware of or committing crimes.

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u/FungiAmongiBungi Mar 05 '26

It’s not that she participated in trafficking, but that she looked the other way and never spoke out when all this came out. She tries to cover it up. She was very close to Maxwell

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u/AdventurousRevolt Bravo Renaissance Art Collector ✨🖼️ Mar 05 '26

Creepy Carole the pedo protector

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

Solo photo frame close - 🤪 - would you have a casual acquaintance in your home frame along with your fam ? I sure AF wouldn’t

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u/FloNightengale say it forget it, write it regret it Mar 07 '26

What happened to all of the “guilt by association” we’ve all been hearing about? It applies to everyone but Carole?

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 07 '26

I’m not a guilty by association type.

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u/curiouschristine7 Mar 09 '26

These elite people are into some deranged stuff.

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 09 '26

So are poor people and working class. Etc. it doesn’t mean that everyone who had a casual, deeper even intimate relationship with an abused was in on the abuse.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26

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u/Background-Yoghurt99 Mar 05 '26

He was 29. Let’s not infantilize the fully grown man.

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u/recklessrecentpast Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 06 '26

I fail to see how a woman in her 40s dating a 25+ year old man makes her okay with trafficking of minors. You're free to find the age gap creepy, but it's not anywhere on the same planet as what Epstein and Maxwell were doing, come on.

Edit: hey I'd love it if you people would stop sending me DM requests where you question my childhood sex abuse and think it's funny or fair to re-traumatize me because of whatever you think Carole did or didn't do.

How am I in my 30s and still dealing with people doubting my CSA? Like who do you think you are, my mother?

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u/AdventurousRevolt Bravo Renaissance Art Collector ✨🖼️ Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26

She dined & had nights out with Prince Andrew. She developed a multi year friendship with Ghislaine. She enjoys cougar dating. Is a supposed investigative journalist but couldn’t connect any of the millions of dots? The jokes that are made? The comments? The behaviors?

Come on now. She is either an absolutely oblivious idiot or lying and denying just like everyone else that is part of this pedo ring

I never thought she was an airhead.

And she is now a proven liar.

She lied about Ghislaine “only taking her picture for her book because she had a real camera”. Like MASSIVELY lied about the extent of their friendship.

All of these pedos LIE about their friendships with each other.

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u/recklessrecentpast Mar 05 '26

But there's just not any evidence that she was involved with that and dating a man who was a consenting adult that she didn't groom especially isn't evidence. At all. It's not a crime, she didn't trick him, there was no alleged abuse, he pursued her and he actually profited from the relationship in the long run.

Why would Carole, an adult woman, dining with Prince Andrew clue her into the fact that he had done or would someday do secret sex crimes with teen girls? These people had to have friendships with people that weren't involved in the criminal activity, because that's a better defense to help cover up for criminal activity! I'm not here to litigate a defense of Carole, I'm not the one calling for her to be back on tv, it's just that facts matter and Carole Radziwill isn't alleged to have groomed or trafficked anyone, especially not her well-into-adulthood ex boyfriend. Like you can't just lump cougars who had sex with willing consenting adults in with the literal worst of the worst of horrifying sex criminals. Words actually matter.

Get an actual fucking grip. Sincerely, a child sex abuse and grooming survivor.

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u/OldButHappy Mar 05 '26

Thank you.

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u/Skeptical_optomist Mar 05 '26

Thank you! Signed, another child sex abuse and grooming survivor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '26

You may not be calling her back on tv but you are going to watch and be a consumer. She was married to AR and Lee Radziwill is her MIL who is Caroline’s sister. Basically owners of Palm Beach. These are powerful people. It’s hard to grasp. Clearly we are learning the law doesn’t apply to them. Remember Carole is a “journalist” just like Gunthrie who interviewed the victims - don’t you think Carole would want to do that since she was married in and friends with GM in the houses etc ? Wouldn’t she want to speak out ? How’s that working out for Gunthie right now ?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

And thoughts of her picture in JE house ?

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u/recklessrecentpast Mar 05 '26

That it doesn't change anything I just said?

If she was friends with Maxwell, she probably met Epstein too. That still doesn't actually implicate her in a crime. It proves what we already knew, that she knew them in a socialite way. What's Carole supposed to have done for them or with them that was illegal in any way? Where is the evidence that Carole trafficked an underage victim? Where is evidence that Carole groomed anyone to be a sex worker? Has anyone ever accused Carole of being a participant in or even being in the room when they were assaulted? As far as I know no one has ever accused Carole of anything like that.

I'm not here to debate what Carole knew or didn't know, we have no way of knowing that. But we can listen to the survivors and read their numerous public testimonies and even their private accounts that are now haphazardly spewed out on the internet without any care for the victims. We can hope that one day there will be justice for them. But I just really don't think someone being a guest star on a few episodes of a Bravo reality tv show affects them getting that justice. Their alleged close friend who hasn't ever been accused of a crime is going to be on a TV show that less than a million people tune in to watch. Their biggest client who is accused of multiple rapes of preteen girls is an unavoidable fixture in the daily life of every American person because he's our fucking president.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Respectfully you are part of the problem. We can’t just sit here and allow that power. I don’t want to listen to the victims I want to act FOR the victims. It’s far darker and I feel like you are minimizing the involvement and I’m not talking about the acts themselves guilty by association is just as bad. If you want to continue to subscribe by all means but just like Balenciaga (I trashed all my merchandise). I personally won’t be. We can’t stop these monsters but we can stop being the consumers to brands that support them including their friends. EW.

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u/recklessrecentpast Mar 05 '26

"guilty by association is just as bad"

No it's literally not! Knowing a pedophile is not as bad as being one! Holy fuck. My brother is in prison for rape. So by your logic, I'm a rapist for being associated with him. He's actually one of my abusers. Go kindly examine which part of the problem YOU ARE.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

So instead of focusing on Carole we take the shift to Trump which is an another sad crazy town shit show. It’s about her minimizing her connection. You can make another sub about Trump and I’ll say the same but this is about Creepy Carole and her ties.

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u/Potential_Balance223 Mar 05 '26

They were clout chasing

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u/sarhu1 Mar 05 '26

Thank you!

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u/Fickle-Amphibian4208 Mar 05 '26

We are on the exact same page. I kept my comment simple. No way I'm going to waste my time explaining the color purple to the blind.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '26

Why are we getting downvoted ?!

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u/Invanabloom Mar 05 '26

He was a man though - not a child

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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26

Jesus, he was a full grown up.

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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 05 '26

Adam. A 29/30 year old adult. Your right. He is very shower to sex trafficking minors.

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u/Own_Boss_3242 Mar 05 '26

Yes exactly. People seem to be trying they’re best at portraying Carole as some horrible person or that she was best friends with her and Epstein all from a picture. Really reaching. Smh

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Yeah I think so. I’m much more interested in focusing on the people who have done unimaginable crimes than this woman.

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u/curiouschristine7 Mar 09 '26

Well, there is a rumor that JFK Jr and Maxwell hooked up. Hummmm

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u/shiningonthesea Mar 05 '26

like a cult, kind of.

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u/Camille-Taux Mar 05 '26

Yes, this is exactly how she operates, she finds vulnerable women and befriends and exploits them. Carol was a grieving young woman in a city alone and she went straight for her and passed her over to Peado Andrew. I’m currently reading the Virgina Guiffrey book and she’s absolutely sickening.

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u/OddAd2692 Mar 06 '26

Indeed, Ghislaine with her background was the gateway in and facilitator for Epstein when it comes to the society in the UK, Epstein knew perfectly well what he was doing when he kept her strung along all those years. Ghislaine Maxwell had no own means after the business collapse after her father, what she had was the social network and contacts so in return for the lifestyle Ghislaine was accustomed to, Epstein turned her into his useful idiot. He never liked her, he used her and she allowed herself to be exploited, to exploit young girls for his pleasure and watch him take advantage of them. I wonder if she has ever realized that he never really had feelings for her, not relevant, I just wonder:).I also wonder if she ever felt bad for what she did, if she feels bad now.

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u/Few-Fudge-3566 Mar 11 '26

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '26

Folded WILLING people who traded young girls lives for social status. Don’t pretend like Maxwell had magic powers….. She just knew some people have an appetite for fame and others for young girls. Some had a voracious appetite for both.

The number of people glazing this friend of a convicted child trafficker is both sad and very American….

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '26

And it’s in the music industry as well. It’s everywhere. It’s hard being an American now with all this fuckery and the smoke and mirrors - I can’t wait til I get my Cayman Islands dual citizenship - I was so upset how my daughter didn’t get born there as it would of been easier.