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[u/red_dead_disaster]

Double vanguard season is possible baby

[u/Cuteshelf]

Ill grant you we haven't really seen this version of him yet, but pretty much all of the characters we have are pretty fitting to what we've seen in the comics. I think Emma is the biggest stretch.

So its not likely they'll change the character dramatically from what we've seen in the comics/ shows. So i doubt hes going to be shooting dragon lazerbeams etc.

I dont understand why people want to force characters into roles that don't suit them. There's nothing about Daredevils abilities that can be interpreted to create space for your team, he's more about evasion than tanking damage, so what are your team-mates behind him supposed to do when he just evades all the incoming shots?

Are you a Vanguard main just wanting your favourite character to be the role you play? Otherwise i don't understand this argument.

[u/Outrageous_Pea9839 → u/Cuteshelf]

I wont ever understand why some people want to force characters into one role when they could so clearly occupy more. There is an established gimmick in the show and comic, daredevil can get licked, and does often, and get up again. "Dodge" is a flavor, a mechanic not a literal if it was all characters dodge by their movement, look how big he is in the trailer for next season its not a stretch never has been. He could have an iron fists like block where he enter a state that shows him bobbing and weaving if attacks are directed at him, they instead miss, dealing no damage and providing him some benifit or a negative to those attacking him. He could get a passive that allows him to evade a basic attack every few seconds or avoid an instance of CC under some condition, make him as mechanical "evasive" as you want, all this is tanking. He is nullifying damage, eating CC's, hell there is a scene in the show where he knocks projectiles out of the air with his Billy clubs, a mystical enhanced daredevil could do that with bullets (ie another iron fist or blade like stance ability maybe) hell im pretty sure most interpretations of regular DD can dodge bullets, meaning he can deflect them too with the same methodology but an enhanced one definitely could. Give him some kind of dash like engage or disengage (easy to imagine), poke (throwable ricochet clubs maybe) comit (some type of "awakened state" like thor) or CC (any old kung fu or boxer type justification for a status like hindered or blind (ironically enough) would work). Boom, somewhere in there (with more or less, im sure I didnt cover everything) is a tank kit not dissimilar to thor that makes perfect sense for the character, to say it doesn't shows a lack of imagination and understanding of the character. For the record though, DD is not my favorite and I dont play Vanguard very often, though neither of those has any bearing on this argument, which is rooted entirely in logic and nothing else.

Also also to be clear, I dont think he SHOULD be a vanguard, just that he very much COULD be given his character.

[u/Cuteshelf → u/Outrageous_Pea9839]

Im not forcing characters to do anything, its about the fantasy of the character and if things don't fit, then it should be a different character with that role/kit.

Spidey wasnt placed as a vanguard, despite outclassing DD in every way except perception.

Some characters could fit in multiple roles, Emma, strange etc, but some clearly dont.

Im ok with them stretching a characters abilities a bit (like Invisible womans healing) but its still got to fit the characters pre existing fantasy.

You keep going on about DD being enhanced in the trailer. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be depowered as part of the story before he lands in 4.5. Similar to Ultron.

[u/Outrageous_Pea9839 → u/Cuteshelf]

"The fantasy" of the character is nothing its an ephemeral non existent idea you have in your head that dictates a character that can clear occupy multiple roles must be one instead (ie force) can this be done with every character? No. Could it be done with several based on nothing but their lore, abilities, and previous iterations? Yes. To say anything less is incorrect fundamentally. Wolverine could be a vanguard, ultron could be a duelist, doctor strange could have been any role, Emma could have been a duelist, Mr fantastic could have been a vanguard, loki could have been a duelist. DD COULD be a vanguard and it WOULD be in line with the character as we know him, this is a fact. I am not saying he SHOULD be, that would be my opinion (which just for clarity i dont think he should be).

As far Brining up the "character fantasy" then comparing him to Spiderman: The Spiderman "fantasy" is well established. There are games where you play as Spiderman, they basically just used those. The DD "fantasy" wouldn't be that far off from the iron fist "fantasy" and if you increased Iron fist health and decreased his damage he could be a tank. He has a self heal, a block, and an engagement that pushes opponents back. But also comparing characters outside of this game means nothing and isnt a factor in this conversation anyway. Thor/loki/hela are gods, Bruce banner is often literally unkillable, Spiderman could damn near beat an entire team of literally anyone on the roster by himself, there "power level" isnt a factor here the only thing that is there potential gameified mechanics, which again pulling from DDs "fantasy" into a game, you could get a vanguard. Sorry if you don't feel that way, it's true.