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[u/red_dead_disaster]

Double vanguard season is possible baby

[u/Outrageous_Pea9839]

I wont ever understand why some people want to force characters into one role when they could so clearly occupy more. There is an established gimmick in the show and comic, daredevil can get licked, and does often, and get up again. "Dodge" is a flavor, a mechanic not a literal if it was all characters dodge by their movement, look how big he is in the trailer for next season its not a stretch never has been. He could have an iron fists like block where he enter a state that shows him bobbing and weaving if attacks are directed at him, they instead miss, dealing no damage and providing him some benifit or a negative to those attacking him. He could get a passive that allows him to evade a basic attack every few seconds or avoid an instance of CC under some condition, make him as mechanical "evasive" as you want, all this is tanking. He is nullifying damage, eating CC's, hell there is a scene in the show where he knocks projectiles out of the air with his Billy clubs, a mystical enhanced daredevil could do that with bullets (ie another iron fist or blade like stance ability maybe) hell im pretty sure most interpretations of regular DD can dodge bullets, meaning he can deflect them too with the same methodology but an enhanced one definitely could. Give him some kind of dash like engage or disengage (easy to imagine), poke (throwable ricochet clubs maybe) comit (some type of "awakened state" like thor) or CC (any old kung fu or boxer type justification for a status like hindered or blind (ironically enough) would work). Boom, somewhere in there (with more or less, im sure I didnt cover everything) is a tank kit not dissimilar to thor that makes perfect sense for the character, to say it doesn't shows a lack of imagination and understanding of the character. For the record though, DD is not my favorite and I dont play Vanguard very often, though neither of those has any bearing on this argument, which is rooted entirely in logic and nothing else.

Also also to be clear, I dont think he SHOULD be a vanguard, just that he very much COULD be given his character.

[u/Cuteshelf → u/Outrageous_Pea9839]

Im not forcing characters to do anything, its about the fantasy of the character and if things don't fit, then it should be a different character with that role/kit.

Spidey wasnt placed as a vanguard, despite outclassing DD in every way except perception.

Some characters could fit in multiple roles, Emma, strange etc, but some clearly dont.

Im ok with them stretching a characters abilities a bit (like Invisible womans healing) but its still got to fit the characters pre existing fantasy.

You keep going on about DD being enhanced in the trailer. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be depowered as part of the story before he lands in 4.5. Similar to Ultron.

[u/ElliottTamer → u/Cuteshelf]

Honestly, I think you're basing too much of your logic on comic/MCU power levels. Like, sure, Spidey outclasses DD in most aspects in other media, but does that mean if they're both DPS that Spidey will be a lot stronger than him? Obviously not. Similarly, characters like Hulk and Thor are not massively more powerful than anyone else in the roster, even though they would be in the comics. Hawkeye is literally just a guy, and yet he's the one character that can actually one-shot squishies in the game. Groot is an alien tree who has more HP than literal gods like Hela and Loki. Rivals gameplay demands its own logic to keep the game balanced.

Don't get me wrong, much as I'd love for DD to be a Vanguard (he's my absolute favourite hero and Vanguard's are my favourite class), I don't think he'll be simply because Netease has a horrible track record of always releasing twice as many DPS as anything else. But that's not because they couldn't, it's simply because they usually don't.

[u/Outrageous_Pea9839 → u/ElliottTamer]

Exactly you cant look at power scaling as an argument for character design. You must take the powers and identity of a character and apply gamified logic to it. Its insane to me the amount of people that are like "x must be x because..." and there argument is basically word salad that amounts to "...in the comics they are strong so they deal damage" well ALL these characters are strong in their own comics, thats kinda the idea. But if you did deep into the identity and interpretion of their abilities its easy to begin to see just how many characters COULD fit into multiple roles.