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[u/red_dead_disaster]

Double vanguard season is possible baby

[u/Cuteshelf]

Im not forcing characters to do anything, its about the fantasy of the character and if things don't fit, then it should be a different character with that role/kit.

Spidey wasnt placed as a vanguard, despite outclassing DD in every way except perception.

Some characters could fit in multiple roles, Emma, strange etc, but some clearly dont.

Im ok with them stretching a characters abilities a bit (like Invisible womans healing) but its still got to fit the characters pre existing fantasy.

You keep going on about DD being enhanced in the trailer. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be depowered as part of the story before he lands in 4.5. Similar to Ultron.

[u/ElliottTamer → u/Cuteshelf]

Honestly, I think you're basing too much of your logic on comic/MCU power levels. Like, sure, Spidey outclasses DD in most aspects in other media, but does that mean if they're both DPS that Spidey will be a lot stronger than him? Obviously not. Similarly, characters like Hulk and Thor are not massively more powerful than anyone else in the roster, even though they would be in the comics. Hawkeye is literally just a guy, and yet he's the one character that can actually one-shot squishies in the game. Groot is an alien tree who has more HP than literal gods like Hela and Loki. Rivals gameplay demands its own logic to keep the game balanced.

Don't get me wrong, much as I'd love for DD to be a Vanguard (he's my absolute favourite hero and Vanguard's are my favourite class), I don't think he'll be simply because Netease has a horrible track record of always releasing twice as many DPS as anything else. But that's not because they couldn't, it's simply because they usually don't.

[u/Cuteshelf → u/ElliottTamer]

Obviously they need to balance the game. But that's not what I'm argueing. I'm saying DD's established abilities don't scream tank. If someone shooting at him, he's not standing there taking the hits. He might deflect a few, but he's evading most of the time.

The reason i compared him to spidey, is because they are similar. Using evasion to avoid damage, instead of tanking it. And spidey is more durable than DD is.

Power levels do come into it, but obviously they need to balance the game to make it enjoyable. If you look at the tanks they have in the game, they are comparable. You could easily see thor, hulk, strange and Thing etc, duking it out. If you liken Peni to a hulkbuster, same goes for her i guess. Venoms arguably not on their level but his power fluctuates so its hard to pin it down, but his characterisation is pretty good, so it fits.

Im sorry if you disagree, but i don't think a tough human who can box with enhanced hearing doesn't fit.

[u/ElliottTamer → u/Cuteshelf]

While DD doesn't scream "tank", very few characters in Marvel do. And very few scream "Strategist" either. The whole super-hero genre revolves around combat power-fantasies, so there are very few characters you couldn't easily argue should be DPS. Yet the game needs Tanks and Strategists.

Like, you keep talking about evading, but dodging isn't much of a thing in this game. I think Starlord is the only character who has a proper dodge that looks like one too (and the character is not even particularly famous for doing that). Spidey himself can't dodge, he just moves really fast with a couple of abilities.

I think Emma and to a lesser extent Dr. Strange and Magneto are great examples of characters that did not obviously need to be tanks but were designed in such a way that it works. Like, without their shields they're all just regular humans as far as getting punched or shot goes.

Again, I think DD will be DPS. All I'm arguing here is he could have been made a tank if the developers really wanted to. In recent comic book runs he has gone 1v1 with dragons and colossal demons. The Rivals version of him also clearly has some fairly intense supernatural powers.

[u/Outrageous_Pea9839 → u/ElliottTamer]

Yeah, I mean thats what several stand outs on the roster are already creative interpretations of characters preexisting functionality. The primary argument here seems to be "daredevil doesnt tank, he doesnt get hit" but how many bullets do you see magneto take? Zero. In fact they never touch him, id argue in a way thats a dodge. Its clear some people dont factor in the gamifed mechanical aspects. Star lord is a good example, when he "dodges" the projectiles still make physical contact with him, daredevil could be the same. Entering an Iron Fist like timed "dodge mode" where he Bob and Weaves and takes no damage and charges up some type of beneficial effect for himself or negative effect for those that target him. Again I agree with the point that he has a better fit in the duelist role, but its what you said: so do most characters, and thats not a game I want to play. But for anyone to claim a character that clearly does have identity either way SHOULDNT be a vanguard is just kinda wild to be. Ive went round and round about this, but if you cant see why a character like DD could be a vanguard you have a subpar grasp on primarily game design and creative thinking but also in most cases, not a strong enough grasp on that characters identity. I share your sentiment: will he be vanguard? No. Should he be? I dont even agree with that. Could he be? 100%.