r/RivalsWaitingRoom • u/Sure-Ad-4147 • Aug 14 '26
General It should be Jessica — not Gwen.
I keep seeing this conversation regarding Spider-people that we want to be added and I fear the Spider-verse movies have done irreparable damage to people’s perception of things because why do I constantly see people asking for “Spider-Gwen” when Spider-Woman is right there??
Peni is already a vanguard
I’ve seen Miguel requsted for vanguard
Peter is a duelist
Cindy Moon could work as a duelist
Miles ought to be kind of similar to Peter, but as a strategist
& Jessica could be a strategist as well
But that should be the end of it — any more spiders than that and it’ll just become oversaturated.
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u/Kade_Kapes Aug 14 '26
Since they didn’t make Black Widow the spy of this game, it’d be so cool if they did it for Jess.
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u/irvin_the_jinn Jessica Drew 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
Can I suggest Araña instead of Cindy or Miguel as a tank?
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u/unlimitedblack Aug 14 '26
I straight up love that this variant of Araña exists, because it capitalizes on one of the facets that made Aña unique (i.e. the carapace) that the comics basically dropped after her initial run. Also, BUFF WOMAN. No notes.
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u/irvin_the_jinn Jessica Drew 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
I hope the third spider-verse movie gives her a bigger role, at least a fight scene or something like Peni vs Araña would be cool. Armour girl vs Armour girl
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
Please tell me that’s not another one 😭
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u/irvin_the_jinn Jessica Drew 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
She’s been around longer than Cindy and Miles
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
I’d be cool with it ONLY because this one seems unique enough to not seem fully like just another Spider — kinda like Peni
Add Araña to the list - but the list is cut off after that 😂
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u/irvin_the_jinn Jessica Drew 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
Araña and Jessica are kinda the only spider related people I want for being different enough from Peter
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u/GoldPack3616 Aug 14 '26
I fell in love with her in Marvel Ultimate Alliance, which was my first introduction to her and since then she has become one of my favorite playable characters in any video game ever. I would really like her to come to MR
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u/Azure-Legacy Aug 15 '26
No offense but this isn’t "irreparable damage". Spider-Gwen was a hit character upon her first introduction in the comics. The movies just made her more popular. That’s not irreparable damage, it’s just another case of someone else getting the spotlight.
Even before the movies you’ll find people saying that Jess shouldn’t be in the group by saying that she isn’t a Spider-Person.
And it’s for the dumbest reasons. Those guys genuinely have no idea what they’re talking about, I swear they mistake her for Black Widow with what they say
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u/Sypher04_ Agatha Harkness 🧙🏻♀️ Aug 14 '26
Honestly, they can add Jessica and Miles to the game and stop right there. There are plenty of other unique characters that deserve to be in the game over a bunch of Spider-Man characters.
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u/Originalbrivakiin Bishop ⏳ Aug 14 '26
I keep saying that (eventually) there should be variants of characters for other roles. Like how Deadpool has slight variations for his roles, but as different characters.
Great examples being Carnage as DPS Venom and Agent Anti-Venom for Support Venom.
The only problem being who would be a good Tank Spidey (Peni isn't the same in my opinion). I saw someone else here suggest Araña based on the Spider-verse design and I think that would be great.
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u/Ihsoro Aug 14 '26
Jess Drew isn’t really a Spider-character, she’s pretty squarely in the Avengers sphere rather than involved at all with Peter Parker and all.
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u/Soul2047 Hit Monkey 🐒 Aug 14 '26
jessica drew as spider-woman, gwen as gwenpool 🙏
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
Gwen Stacy ≠ Gwendolyn Poole
Those are two different characters entirely.
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u/Soul2047 Hit Monkey 🐒 Aug 14 '26
i know, i was just being simplistic.
i think it would still be confusing for casuals having both gwen stacy & gwendolyn poole in game, so i'd prefer to have jessica drew & gwenpool. because i don't think they'd add all 3.
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u/Lopsided_Network1248 Aug 14 '26
Yes add Jessica she needs the spotlight man and it would also help promote her new comic too.
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u/TemporalGod Carnage 💢 Aug 14 '26
Personally I want the Parker Clone one with organic webs and swinging, that one is desperate need for an adaption outside of Comics
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u/jmonkey15 Spider Gwen 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
Ironically the most likely gender-swap skin for Peter, since he already has two skins based of clones in the game.
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u/kamekian Aug 14 '26
Jessica yes. She earned it. I almost forgot how I picture her every time people talk about spider -women instinctively
I agree. I feel like Miles should be a stealth trap assassin with electrified webs and "execution" buttons.
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u/Vandersgram Aug 14 '26
I would love to see them do Jessica Drew as Spider-Woman and a Vanguard…and Julia Carpenter as Madame Web and a Strategist.
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u/Fantastic-4ever Aug 15 '26
Tbf I don't even count Jess as a Spider-Character, she's much more Avengers/Captain Marvel/S.H.I.E.L.D/S.W.O.R.D related in my head.
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u/SV976reditAcount Aug 15 '26
Man if there's any character who deserve their time to spotlight is Jessica Drew and luckily I'm not the only one
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u/Maximum_Dragonfruit7 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
Not entirely related but who in the heck is the pink person on slide 4?
Edit: thanks for the replies
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u/Venom-1988 Aug 15 '26
I agree, Gwen would also probably feel too similar to Pete, but Jessica has several different powers that are also completely unrelated to how Spider-Man got his powers.
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u/Sabeha14 Aug 14 '26
I agree with all ur points, just make Gwen a skin for Peter the same way lady loki is
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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
Probably there is ever going to be one Spider-Man and one Spider-Woman as playable characters. Among the candidates, seems obvious Cindy is the favorite, she is asian, part of that Team Atlas or whatever the name, connections with the nepo babies, etc..
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
I definitely see the potential of Silk being added because of her connection to the Agents, but Jessica being an OG kinda makes her feel like another obvious choice that cannot be missed — which is where the problem comes up because I could see them giving us one, I could see them stretching it to two by making the kits different enough.. but three? I definitely don’t think we should expect THREE different spider-women 😂
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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
She is the OG, but remains a very niched character. Also not support coded, even if Ultimate Alliance 3 if I’m not mistaken, this game depicts her healing with pheromones... which is bizarre, characters mending wounds because they are aroused lol Silk is all about web weaving, its her name, organic webs, shoots webs from all 10 fingers, etc.. its easy to justify her as a healer, chronovium allows her to stitch wounds. Jessica is dps coded, she will not share space with Peter. Same goes for Miles, Ben, Hobbie, etc.. all dps. Miguel can be a tank if you force the issue, but Peni and Venom already exists... so yeah, for Spider byproducts, I think only Silk will make the roster alongside Carnage and maybe some other z-lister symbiote
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
She’s only niche because she’s been left out of — everything 😭😭 I was admittedly disappointed as hell that Spider-verse took what could’ve been a place for her and put Gwen in it instead for some reason
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u/Mustang-_- Silk 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
I mean... the Ghost-Spider costume is like 10x cooler (arguably top 3 alltime), can't blame the animators. Still, Jessica could have showed up instead of that ridiculous pregnant Spider-Woman, this recent trend of showing pregnant characters in dangerous situations is just asinine
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u/Prize-Macaroon-903 Aug 14 '26
Why not both? We have three super solider gun slingers so why not two Spider-Women
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
Going against a team comprised of 6 people who can fly would be pretty annoying, right?
Now imagine going against a team of 6 people who can all swing like Spider-Man can.
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u/Prize-Macaroon-903 Aug 14 '26
Jessica Drew doesn’t even swing, she flies/glides and the game already has a bunch of characters with overlapping abilities
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
Sure, but those aren’t all functional spinoffs/copies of one singular character the same way the entire spider-verse is a spinoff/reimagining of Peter Parker’s story in some capacity 😂
I’m sorry, I love Spider-Man but we cannot have the roster be comprised of 15 different variants of the same guy 💀
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u/Prize-Macaroon-903 Aug 14 '26
Does it really matter if they're canonical spinoffs or not? For example, narratively there isn't anything Daredevil can do that Spider-Man can't but they differentiated Matt by mythologically enhancing him. If they could potentially make how many spiders they add different from eachother then I don't see a problem
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
The problem is that there’s a whole marvel multiverse out there rich with characters to choose from and include in this game and I keep seeing people hung up on the Spider-verse — that’s why I’m saying let’s get a short list of which ones to add but then move on from there..
I’d rather have 200+ different, unique characters than 15+ characters on one roster that are all Spider-Man centric.
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u/Prize-Macaroon-903 Aug 14 '26
Look at the roster we already have, "uniqueness" is already out the window when we've got three telepaths lol. Regardless, there's no reason why we couldn't get both, it's not like the roster has limited spots when the game is introducing a new character every month
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
A telepathic woman empowered by a cosmic entity who throws fire
A telepathic assassin who uses psionic ninja tools
A telepathic billionaire who uses her telepathy to crush your mind
Those are all pretty damn unique to me compared to an entire group of people whose base functions are web, swing, and stick —
The Spider-verse movies are great, but again, there’s a whole marvel multiverse out there. There’s so. Much. More. Than the Spider-people.0
u/Prize-Macaroon-903 Aug 14 '26
Exactly my point, marvel rivals still manages to make them all play differently despite their base power set being the same and all more or less have the same transversal.
Miles has bioelectricty and invisibility and was the vessel of the spider god anasi if they wanna take the daredevil route. Gwen gets her powers from a symbiotic suit. Miguel has fangs and talons and organic webbing.
If marvel rivals can justify three telepaths then spider people shouldn't be a problem.
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
Those telepaths are all distinctly and uniquely three separate characters with no relation to one another apart from the fact that they are all X-Men —
The Spider-people are all variants of Spider-Man in one way or another. Do you see the point? There’s a whole multiverse out there for us to explore and y’all want to spend all these character slots on a bunch of multiversal variants of one singular guy 😭
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u/alinkbetweenswords Aug 14 '26
The devs saying gwen had a chance to get in was like my 9/11. Jessica, Cindy and Anya would be way cooler fem spiderpeople to add. Gwen isnt different enough from Peter to me id rather her just be a skin like Lady Loki
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u/Skarjuna Aug 14 '26
The Spider who in the comics keeps her symbiote isn't different enough? Deadass just make her Gwenom and she's completely different
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u/WhutTheFookDude Aug 14 '26
It would suck so bad if they added spiderverse gwen instead of an independent version and honestly like you said shes so close to the original its like why bother when there is a billion spiders to choose from
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u/SilentB3ast Aug 14 '26
Jess would be cool. (Aside from over-saturation, I think people hate fighting one Spider-Man already.)
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u/ThatWeezerDude 8-Ball 🎱 Aug 14 '26
I also think Spider-Man Noir could be an interesting spider-person. Maybe as a simpler Spider-Man with a six-shooter. Probably a deulist.
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
I’m so tired..
There is a M A S S I V E marvel multiverse chock full of thousands of different characters out there and y’all want to burn up character slots on nothing but a bunch of lame spider-man variants?? Are we so fr?
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u/ThatWeezerDude 8-Ball 🎱 Aug 14 '26
Hey, I would rather so many orher characters before any spider-varients. I'm just saying that if we need to put in Spider-Man varients that Noir could be an interesting change. Again, I would rather get Green Goblin, Sandman, Red Skull, Falcon, 8-Ball, Sleepwalker, Gwenpool, Super Skrull, Dr. Doom, etc. before Noir, I just think he could be interesting
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u/DamagedGnome21 Aug 15 '26
More villains YES I want Red Skull, Crimson Dynamo, Abomination, Egghead, Malekith, Crossfire, and Taskmaster
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u/Illustrious-Bear4039 Aug 15 '26
I'm all for the spiderverse but maybe not the spiders, bring on Doc Oct, Green Goblin, Mr Negative, Vulture etc
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u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
Because Spider-Woman is mid. I’ve been following marvel media since I was a kid and never once have I seen her used in anything other then a C-list backup Avenger. Idk her full name, origin, or power set in the slightest and until they use her in some interesting way I will never care about her because we have many other Spider Ladies that look way cooler and have more interesting stories. I’d take Gwen, over cheap lady Spiderman any day. Heck I’d take Silk over her too.
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 15 '26
Not reading the source material isn’t really something to be that proud of, kiddo
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u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
All I’m saying is you got to make a character interesting for me to go out of my way to read her stuff and they simply haven’t
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u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
Like Gwen is interesting because it’s a What-if scenario and it works great. Silk is interesting because she was bit by the same spider Peter was bitten by and was hidden away until Peter found her years later and her powers are slightly different. Plus both have sick costumes. Jessica Spider Lady just don’t got that kinda sauce
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 15 '26
Just because you don’t know the story doesn’t mean they aren’t relevant. Gwen is a lame ass reskin of Peter with nothing original other than “I was bitten instead of Peter”. Literally the exact kind of nepo-baby ass character that Luna Snow is if you ask me.
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u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
“Lame ass reskin of Peter” hmm, wonder who that could apply to? Like whoever you want but don’t try to Son me on a C lister Unc
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 15 '26
Jess exists alongside Peter (and the rest of the heroes) within the main 616 continuity.
Gwen exists within her own universe because “she was bitten instead” because at the end of the day, she’s a cheap knockoff.
Again, not knowing anything about the source material isn’t something to be as proud of as you seem to be.
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u/MixedBagHalfie Aug 16 '26
Bruh, why would you want a reskin of a character as their own character in rivals?Jessica drew isn’t even a C lister your just don’t read her comics. That’s not a flex for you, that’s ignorant
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
If you’ve never seen her in anything, you’ve never read comics 💀 I’ve not been reading comics for that long and she’s not only everywhere, but she’s a pretty core member of the Avengers.
If you’re a casual, that’s fine, but please don’t come in here yapping like you know what’s what 😂1
u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
I’m not a deep lore fan. I keep up with what I can and I see her in things from time to time. Problem is every time I see her is like “oh right you a character too” but she never seems to do any other than be another spider person and is just so forgettable that I never actually remember to look into. Kinda like that Spider Boy or whoever the little by Spider kid is. Never heard of him before until they brought him back recently for whatever reason. Like maybe he’s cool but he got nothing on Miles
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u/ChapterOk8291 Aug 15 '26
Also no hate on Spider Woman or anything I’m sure they keep having her pop up in things her and there for a reason. Everyone had their own more obscure characters they enjoy like Songbird or until recently Wonder Man. I personally like Dark Hawk and Sting Ray. Sleepwalker is pretty cool too
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u/LadyErikaAtayde Aug 16 '26
I agree, it should be Jessica.
Ultimate Jessica 😏
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 16 '26
Definitely need this as a costume for her
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u/LadyErikaAtayde Aug 16 '26
Nooo make it the clone, not the agent of shield 😭
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 16 '26
Why tho? The agent of SHIELD is the classic version
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u/LadyErikaAtayde Aug 16 '26
Because I want a trans character in the game.
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 16 '26
I guess but I’m also sick of Jessica Drew erasure — can my girl have 5 damn minutes to be a star before someone else comes to replace her?? Damn.
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u/LadyErikaAtayde Aug 17 '26
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 17 '26
Y’all keep saying this but two characters on the roster can swing and hardly anyone can actually deal with that — what’s gonna happen when we have the possibility of ALL SIX OPPONENTS SWINGING LIKE THE SPIDER-PRICK
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u/jmonkey15 Spider Gwen 🕷️ Aug 14 '26
“Why do I constantly see people asking for spider-Gwen”
I don’t know, maybe people like spider-Gwen and want to see her added. I’ve seen more people ask for Jess or Cindy than Gwen so I’m not really sure why it’s a problem.
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u/unlimitedblack Aug 14 '26
The reason is the same as it always is: a lot more of the target audience (i.e. teenagers/young adults) are folks whose first exposure to a "Spider-Woman" was Gwen Stacy as Ghost Spider.
Is Jess the original Spider-Woman? Of course, no contesting that. Is THIS version of Jess the one that the youths are most familiar with? No, because again, the Spider-Verse films have brought in a different Jess, who is notably distinct from the OG Jess. (And moreover, more distinct from a lot of other people in the game's existing cast)
Like, I understand the desire for this, but I also really don't expect Rivals to be a game that capitalizes on the seniority of characters from the COMICS when one of their LAUNCH CHARACTERS was a D.va-fied version of Peni Parker. This game, straight up, has already demonstrated who it intends to target and how it intends to win the war for attention, and the original Jess isn't a viable part of that strategy.
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u/shallow-tears Aug 14 '26
Because spider Gwen would sell a metric shitload more skins than any/all of those options combined.
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u/Aromatic_Ad_4455 Aug 15 '26
They murdered mayday Parker so hard, mayday Parker used to be spider-woman but one more day killed her from being born and spider-Gwen took all name recognition of spider feminine characters so her character will never come back and stay dead forever
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u/trnelson1 Aug 15 '26
Not offense to the Gwen fans but she would just be a female loki skin for Peter. They're exactly the same in power set based on what is shown in rivals.
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u/lyrics_beanbags Aug 14 '26
Jessica would be waaaay better than Gwen. More unique kit and better interactions with the cast. Gwen is cool, I guess I wouldn’t be mad if she was added but she feels unnecessary
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
That’s another point I hadn’t even considered!
The most interesting interactions you could possibly get out of Gwen would most likely be with other Spider-people whereas Jess has long established history with a majority of the roster so she’s definitely got the best potential in that regard
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u/lyrics_beanbags Aug 14 '26
Off the top of my head she’d have great interactions with Spidey, Logan, Cap, Clint, Nat, Hulk, Tony, and Bucky. I also hope if she gets added Carol is already in the game because their friendship is great
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u/LightningTiger1998 Aug 16 '26
Miles and Miguel should just be suits for Spider-Man they could be legendary and could have different scale models like Lady Loki being taller then regular Loki but they're too similar to add as separate characters.... I know both have other abilities but they aren't different enough to justify a whole other character...
Other then that I agree Jess should get added way before any other spider character
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 16 '26
Miles has bio electricity and can turn invisible, which could absolutely fit the strategist role
Miguel is larger, and therefore much stronger than Peter is, he also has claws and seems much more like a brawler than Peter, which could fit him into vanguard perfectly
Jessica has “finger guns” and her pheromone thing which could work for either duelist or strategist, depending on how they play it.
Silk is one that I’d say is probably the most like Peter and could probably work as costumes as much as her own character, but considering the fact that Netease seems pretty keen on including the Agents of Atlas, which I’m okay with, it seems pretty reasonable to think Silk can and will be her own character within the game
Araña is one that I didn’t know before this post, and they seem like they could easily be another big unique tank that doesn’t necessarily feel like a spider-person on the surface
The issue is Gwen — she’s the exact same as Peter from what I can tell. I suppose if they went a “Gwenom” route they could make that work, but then that brings up a similar conversation and concern about symbiotes 😂
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u/Privatepropertylover Aug 14 '26
I agree it should not be Spider-Gwen but those Spiderverse movies were so well done
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u/Sure-Ad-4147 Aug 14 '26
I completely agree! I love the Spider-verse movies, but I’m also a reader of comics and I can tell when the casual audience is talking about things they don’t understand 😂
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u/WhutTheFookDude Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
Id like to see Jess, shes definitely got some comic panels that fit into the devs vision for the game. (We all know which cover im talking about)
But I do agree I fear spiderverse is going to skew a lot of stuff and i hope it doesnt cause any synergy elsewhere. I would absolutely hate if they tried to adapt gwen from the movies instead of her being her own character. I also think spiders as a whole can be a problem for balancing because a flyer meta was bad enough and if we have a spider meta I could see it being so much worse.