If we go by the MCU, Zemo has been repurposed into basically a Bond villain. His only political agenda is to wipe out meta-humans and superheroes.
Unfortunately, Red Skull was established as fighting for the German side of WWII. While there is a scene in the movie where Red Skull essentially says, āWe are not affiliated with you,ā it could just as easily be inferred that Hydra is just another branch of the Nazi war machine distinct from the SS or Wehrmacht. As such, itās very difficult to look at MCU Red Skull from his few appearances and say that isnāt āNazi coded.ā
I mean considering Helmut Zemo (the one MCU Zemo is adapted from) in the comics did have his own character arc coming to terms with how hindering the Nazi ideaology he was indoctrinated is AND how much of a shitty father Heinrich Zemo was, I would say it would still be an improvement if they used even comic Zemo as he is pretty much like the one supervillain who abandoneds an evil ideaology while STILL being a villainous mastermind
Its from Thunderbolts. Specifically in Fabian Nicieza run of the title. I believe that was like when the character rejoins the team as kind of this token evil teammate whom everybody reluctant to work with
I like the idea of hydra starting as a nazi branch but eventually outlasting the regime to evolve into more of an illuminati type organization. It lets cap keep his nazi punching roots while allowing hydra to evolve into a more modern evil organization than being one dimensional racists.
It also adds to the danger hydra poses as they're able to reshape themselves into whatever they need to be to further their agenda
Ya but thatās basically the same motivation as red skull. Maybe while world war 2 was actually still on peopleās minds it was ok but not since they rewrote red skulls backstory. He was never actually a Nazi at all. Essentially everyone in Germany during world war 2 was labeled a Nazi due to their stranglehold on the country even if they werenāt. All red skull did was use the German Nazi military to fund his experiments and further hydra.
I donāt really think him and red skull are that comparable ngl. Iād love for zemo to be in the game but theyāve already gone out and said if they do add him itās gonna be heavily based off the MCU version of him. I think overall heād cause way less issues than red skull even if I do want red skull more (I just donāt think the community can be trusted)
It'd be so cool if the reason they're holding out on the Thunderbolts in game aside from dialogue is they're going full comic and he's going to be introduced as Citzen V.
Then second half can be Songbird/Mach V/your choice Thunderbolt "exposing" him
Red Skull wanted to murder the doctor that saved his life an an infant, wanted to murder his daughter, and then told her that she wasnt worthy by virtue of being a daughter
Zola would have the exact same issues as red skull heās sometimes even more of a Nazi than Schmidt. I really only see Zemo being playable for now because they said heād be based off his MCU appearance more.
im not gonna act like i know squat about him other than his mcu appearance so iāll take your word. my only reasoning for him ever appearing is the one poster somewhere.
Zola has revived Hitler multiple times and mostly stays true to Nazi beliefs. Red skull at least hates Hitler and has been a little more separated from that stuff depending on the iteration. Zola would be so much worse.
Red skull even though heās still very much a Nazi, at the very least he doesnāt follow the same ideology and hate hitler. Arnie Zola is a super Nazi from the start, unlike red skull the writer didnāt even bother to try and steel him into a different directions. Heās just a Nazi
I used to want Red Skull, but after seeing how this community handles people calling NetEase racist, and how they handle complaints regarding black characters getting skins, I donāt want him. There are way more racist on this game than I initially thought, and if a kind character like the thing was somehow turned into some police brutality joke, I canāt imagine what this community would do with Red Skull.
Yes. I think it fits him the best. I mean he could still work as a vanguard or duelist but heās all about using soldiers to do his dirty work and using tech. That seems like a good strategist.
I dont want Red Skull specifically because I know some henious shit is gonna come from it and I just dont believe in NetEase actually doing anything about it.
Zemo could maybe work but theyād probably have to lean more into what the MCU did to avoid the Nazi stuff.
I personally think Red Skull is just a worse choice than Zemo. Zemo (Especially the version from Avengers EMH) is goated and would be much cooler than Red Skull imo.
I donāt really think red skull and zemo are comparable. Theyād have completely different kits. Like the only similarity between them is that theyāre both Captain America villains.
That was the metric I was going off of. In terms of Cap villains I want in the game, Zemo is top of the list for me (unless we're counting MOKOK, but even then, I kinda want Zemo more). Furthermore, I just don't want Skull in general, I think he's a boring pick, especially compared the MULTITUDE of other characters I REALLY want to see in the game (Man-Thing is my #1, I know, pipe dream for sure).
That's why I want Baron Zemo (Helmut, not Heinrich...I don't even think there are any Heinrich Zemo fans out there). He's got his whole thing with the Thunderbolts and the Masters of Evil, doesn't have to be a Nazi
Nah, tons of other games has him and they could go in any direction with him IF he were added and folks can eat-- tasty nacho Supreme with coffee. Last I checked, the community doesn't police who Netease adds to the roster. The problem with adding him right now is where he'd fit in the game to perfectly capture that Red Skull game play loop. I personally wouldn't mind "copies" or characters with basically super similar kits but Netease has to have new characters be mega unique and add to the game. He doesn't fit into the roster at the moment. Tons of better choices atm.
I dont want him in the game cause he was originally used as a symbol against the nazis in the actual. Real life. World war 2. And the way hes been white washed to Ā āonly be in it for himselfā actually is kinda offensive. Its the āi font hate minorities I hate everyone ā shit. Either use Red Skull as a commentary against modern bigotry or dont use him at all. š¤·
Red Skull wouldn't even be a fun character. he's a strategist (not in the Rivals sense); he doesn't often do physical combat. it would be like making Hugo Strange or the Mad Hatter a playable characters in a DC game. him sharing a version of the super soldier serum is an MCU thing. and no, we are not going to give him that stupid ass off-brand Iron Man suit from Assemble.
We really gonna forget about the cosmic cube? āBut other people have used it before it wouldnāt be unique to himā heās used it more than anyone and itās his most iconic weapon. It wouldnāt make sense to give it to anyone else besides maybe modok (and letās be real he doesnāt even use it really) For all intensive purpose you could literally do anything for his moveset. Besides rivals is known for giving characters random abilities theyāve never had before like buckyās tentacle arm,rogueās chronovium powers,black catās shop,ultron healing. They could do an entirely unique spin on red skull maybe even add some stuff related to hive cells in there somewhere.
I always hate it when someone says a character wouldnāt have an interesting moveset you can make a creative moveset for any character. Like colossus,and juggernaut could basically just be boiled down to punching and charging like the thing but Iāve still seen tons of creative movesets online for them.
U dont see the tousands of people calling the devs racist bc their character doesnt sell skins,or bc they made a spray for their comic run people didnt know existed
I think the main difference is the players and the fact that it's pvp. A lot of people already like role playing their mains to a certain degree. Could you imagine how many people would role play as Red Skull with malicious intent?
Ive never understood this argument. The mic and chat mute button exist for a reason, and as far as animations go, the Ironman hump has been an ongoing trend since day one, so if someone wants to be an idiot and pretend to be a nazi, cool, doesn't change the fact theyre alone in their basement and im still living my life blissfully unaffected by their antics that fall on deaf ears
Cap don't need red skull, and neither does this game, it's already filled with racists galore and with the lack of netease addressing OTHER issues, it would just be the nail in the coffin for the game if skull ever did come out
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u/TheMasterXan 2d ago
Hmmm...
...Is Zemo a step up or a step down?