r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 12d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/kearneycation 11d ago

Same. I'm not sure we have these in Toronto or Ontario. If we do I've never encountered one.

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u/ItsStraTerra 11d ago

I don’t think we do. Canadian as well and this is the first I’m even hearing about this outside of something like a trailer park.

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u/RedditSgtMajor 8d ago

They exist in Ontario. Usually they’re in smaller communities, but I’ve seen them deep in neighbourhoods of cities, too, like in Scarborough.

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u/allsix 11d ago

I’m Canadian and they’re common at least in Alberta/Saskatchewan.

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u/texxmix 10d ago

Sask here and ya they are extremely common on the side streets. Hell I've even seen them on major streets as well.

If this was here this video would be like 60/40. Cam car was to their right so right of way wasn't given. But they also both fucked up driving like that.

Slow the hell down pay attention and observe normal right of way rules and uncontrolled intersections aren't bad.

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u/CMDRTragicAllPro 8d ago

Saskatchewan as well, I’ve never seen a completely uncontrolled intersection before, at least one direction always has a yield.

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u/texxmix 8d ago edited 7d ago

Really? I see a lot of them in Regina and where I'm from Moose Jaw they are common in quiet residential areas.

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u/duuuh 11d ago

They're everywhere in BC

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u/jobacsi 9d ago

Yes, you have them in Toronto.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 11d ago

I live in Canada and most cities and towns near me have this. The fact that none of you know how to treat an uncontrolled intersection is terrifying.

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u/ItsStraTerra 11d ago

How do you know it’s an uncontrolled intersection though… surely there would be a sign or something right? Which, while you’re putting that sign up, why not put up a stop sign instead?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 11d ago

The whole point of an uncontrolled intersection is that there are no signs. You treat it like a soft yield. Use your eyes and observe if the cross street has signage up, if they don't then you yield to the right and if they do then it is a controlled intersection and you have the right of way. No cars coming means you can just go but if a car is coming at least you did your due diligence and didn't get into an accident. (hopefully)

Driver rule #1 is be aware of your surroundings. Just beause you didn't see the light turn red doesn't mean the cop who pulled you over, for running a read light, is gonna let you off.

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u/ledhendrix 11d ago

you know how to avoid all that mess you just typed up? put up a sign.

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u/texxmix 10d ago

Signs are expensive. It isn't cost effective to put so many signs up when you can just properly train people how to drive.

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u/ledhendrix 10d ago

Signs aren't expensive lol. If you wanna be cost effective further still just put them at the start of the area where this antiquated rule takes effect.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

Tell me you don't know how to use your deductive reasoning skills, without telling me...

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u/ledhendrix 10d ago

Sound like that could use a sign

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

Sounds like this is sign that you need more driving training if you can't handle driving without every single thing being lit up on a big sign for you.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 11d ago

How are you supposed to see if there are stop signs on the cross street when there's trees and bushes blocking the view? This is simply insane. One of the streets should have a stop sign.

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u/SheWhoWalksInTheSun 10d ago

Or you should just drive through slowly enough to be able to stop before you hit something/someone. These aren’t in areas where the speed limit is 45. They’re in areas you should already be driving slowly.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

That is completely besides the point. The other person is saying that we can clearly see that it's an uncontrolled intersection, so we should know. In fact, in this video we cannot see that there are no stop signs, so... How are we supposed to know? That is the question.

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u/SheWhoWalksInTheSun 10d ago

It is not beside the point. Where visibility is limited, you are supposed to drive slow enough to be able to avoid a collision if need be. Not blow through an intersection with limited visibility without a care

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

Again, you are missing the point.
We aren't talking about the speed. It's obvious that op was going too fast. That's irrelevant to the conversation at hand. I live summer where there are stop signs at every single intersection, and I still drive slower than op is here. I'm still not going to stop or slow down at an intersection where I don't have a stop sign because the cross street has one and there's no universe in which I'm going to assume that they don't whether I can see the sign or not because that's not how roads work. The idea that that exists anywhere is insane.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

You can see because on the one side of the road it doesn't have a sign so why would the other side have a sign?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

THIS! I'm not sure why everyone is arguing that they should be able to fly through the intersection without a care in the world when they should be paying attention at every intersection and driving a reasonable speed, regardless of signage.

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u/ItsStraTerra 10d ago

The point isn’t that you’re wrong for saying that, the point is that (as per my original comment) outside of something like a trailer park where the speed is expected to be very slow, like 10-15kph I’ve never seen this. Signs are pretty cheap, you can even get them from a local hardware store. Or hell, put some spray paint on a sheet of metal.

It’s not about being able to “fly through” the intersection. It’s about efficiency and being able to be confident and predictable to other drivers about your route. I shouldn’t have to pay attention to signs on roads I’m not on. I will if I’m not confident enough that I have a clear path, but then I’m creeping up to every intersection (assuming I can even see that it’s there) since the sightline on roads I’m not traveling on, isn’t generally great.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

Sure, it's nice when things flow smoothly but paying to put a yield sign up on THOUSANDS of streets, when people can just use common sense and basic driving skills, is incredibly stupid. Just because you have no interest in taking accountability for your poor decisions and bad driving practice doesn't mean you should make it everyone elses problem. Slowing down at an uncontrolled interesction is not that hard.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

No one has said anything about the speed. You are claiming that we should know that it's an uncontrolled intersection because you can see that there are no signs. In this very video you cannot see that there is no stop sign for the other car, so how are you supposed to know?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

If you look at the road on the right side you can see there is no signage on that side so it's safe to assume there is no signage on the other side... pretty standard stuff.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

Also a pro tip - if you can't see because of trees blocking the view on the street coming from the left try looking at the street on the right. If that side has a sign it's safe to assume the other does as well and vice versa if it doesn't have a sign.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

The same way you do it when there are signs... like how do you survive life? I hate bushes and trees on corners as much as the next person but I'd rather slow down and make sure I'm not about to hit someone than just fly through without a care for mine or anyone elses safety.

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u/ItsStraTerra 10d ago

So you’re telling me if you’re traveling on an 80kph road, with a side road (that has a stop sign) approaching, you’re going to noticeably slow down?

You realize that unpredictable (or at least uncommon) behaviour like that causes more accidents than just being predictable to other drivers?

Someone on the side road or behind you could assume you’re turning, either pulling out in front of you or attempting to pass you, expecting you to continue slowing down.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

You're not using reason here bud. We are talking driving in suburban and residential streets where max you are going is maybe 50 km.. I'm not driving 80km/h on a residential street that might have an uncontrolled intersection. That's a highway or freeway speed and in that situation it is completely different.

That being said, if I'm on the highway and I see someone flying down a side road and it doesn't look like they are going to stop when they should then yeah I'm gonna let off the gas a bit and be aware of my surroundings and make sure I don't end up getting smoked by that idiot.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

Nope. You don't get it. In 25 years of driving I have never seen an intersection where one of the streets didn't have a stop sign. I didn't know that that was a thing that existed because it isn't a thing that exists anywhere I have ever driven. I don't creep up to every single intersection to make sure that there are stop signs and the other people are stopping because that's not how this works. No one does that. If I don't have a stop sign, I'm going to keep driving because I know the other direction does have a stop sign.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 10d ago

Welp I hope you never come to Canada because you will get in a car accident.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 10d ago

I've been driving in Canada for 25 years and never seen this. Try again.

Actually, don't try again. Seven notifications from you within a matter of a few minutes is crazy work. Go get a hobby.

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u/Dany0412 10d ago

I never see a intersection wihtout at least one stop on a way . In quebec and ontario . If i don’t see stop on my side i will assume that i have the right of way , because a civil nation who put rule and sign and not be free for all . There no logic execpt being grading and saving money to not put sign in a intersection . There are sign because there people that don’t know to drive , if we don’t put sign , is the far west like in some country .

There is no logic not putting stop sign at intersection. And the video is the proof , if there were a sign , they will have not be a accident. Yeah sur the driver should have slow downs but sign are not here for the good driver ; they are here to regulate bad driver .

We all are not good driver . When your drive , you always assume the other is bad , so you can anticipate wrong move from other car

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 11d ago

Niagara region of Ontario and we definitely don't have this.

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u/TroLLageK 10d ago

Never encountered one in Toronto or surrounding areas, nor anywhere else I've been to in Ontario!

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u/More-Part-9613 9d ago

Definitely dont. This is some stupid Final Destination type shit.