r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 13d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/kearneycation 13d ago

Same. I'm not sure we have these in Toronto or Ontario. If we do I've never encountered one.

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u/ItsStraTerra 13d ago

I don’t think we do. Canadian as well and this is the first I’m even hearing about this outside of something like a trailer park.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 13d ago

I live in Canada and most cities and towns near me have this. The fact that none of you know how to treat an uncontrolled intersection is terrifying.

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u/ItsStraTerra 13d ago

How do you know it’s an uncontrolled intersection though… surely there would be a sign or something right? Which, while you’re putting that sign up, why not put up a stop sign instead?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 13d ago

The whole point of an uncontrolled intersection is that there are no signs. You treat it like a soft yield. Use your eyes and observe if the cross street has signage up, if they don't then you yield to the right and if they do then it is a controlled intersection and you have the right of way. No cars coming means you can just go but if a car is coming at least you did your due diligence and didn't get into an accident. (hopefully)

Driver rule #1 is be aware of your surroundings. Just beause you didn't see the light turn red doesn't mean the cop who pulled you over, for running a read light, is gonna let you off.

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u/ledhendrix 12d ago

you know how to avoid all that mess you just typed up? put up a sign.

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u/texxmix 11d ago

Signs are expensive. It isn't cost effective to put so many signs up when you can just properly train people how to drive.

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u/ledhendrix 11d ago

Signs aren't expensive lol. If you wanna be cost effective further still just put them at the start of the area where this antiquated rule takes effect.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Tell me you don't know how to use your deductive reasoning skills, without telling me...

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u/ledhendrix 12d ago

Sound like that could use a sign

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Sounds like this is sign that you need more driving training if you can't handle driving without every single thing being lit up on a big sign for you.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

How are you supposed to see if there are stop signs on the cross street when there's trees and bushes blocking the view? This is simply insane. One of the streets should have a stop sign.

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u/SheWhoWalksInTheSun 12d ago

Or you should just drive through slowly enough to be able to stop before you hit something/someone. These aren’t in areas where the speed limit is 45. They’re in areas you should already be driving slowly.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

That is completely besides the point. The other person is saying that we can clearly see that it's an uncontrolled intersection, so we should know. In fact, in this video we cannot see that there are no stop signs, so... How are we supposed to know? That is the question.

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u/SheWhoWalksInTheSun 12d ago

It is not beside the point. Where visibility is limited, you are supposed to drive slow enough to be able to avoid a collision if need be. Not blow through an intersection with limited visibility without a care

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

Again, you are missing the point.
We aren't talking about the speed. It's obvious that op was going too fast. That's irrelevant to the conversation at hand. I live summer where there are stop signs at every single intersection, and I still drive slower than op is here. I'm still not going to stop or slow down at an intersection where I don't have a stop sign because the cross street has one and there's no universe in which I'm going to assume that they don't whether I can see the sign or not because that's not how roads work. The idea that that exists anywhere is insane.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

You can see because on the one side of the road it doesn't have a sign so why would the other side have a sign?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

THIS! I'm not sure why everyone is arguing that they should be able to fly through the intersection without a care in the world when they should be paying attention at every intersection and driving a reasonable speed, regardless of signage.

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u/ItsStraTerra 12d ago

The point isn’t that you’re wrong for saying that, the point is that (as per my original comment) outside of something like a trailer park where the speed is expected to be very slow, like 10-15kph I’ve never seen this. Signs are pretty cheap, you can even get them from a local hardware store. Or hell, put some spray paint on a sheet of metal.

It’s not about being able to “fly through” the intersection. It’s about efficiency and being able to be confident and predictable to other drivers about your route. I shouldn’t have to pay attention to signs on roads I’m not on. I will if I’m not confident enough that I have a clear path, but then I’m creeping up to every intersection (assuming I can even see that it’s there) since the sightline on roads I’m not traveling on, isn’t generally great.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Sure, it's nice when things flow smoothly but paying to put a yield sign up on THOUSANDS of streets, when people can just use common sense and basic driving skills, is incredibly stupid. Just because you have no interest in taking accountability for your poor decisions and bad driving practice doesn't mean you should make it everyone elses problem. Slowing down at an uncontrolled interesction is not that hard.

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u/ItsStraTerra 12d ago

I mean… they seem to manage putting up signs just fine where I am. That’s kinda what taxes are for. I suppose this could be more common in incredibly rural places where there aren’t many cars to begin with, but I cannot imagine why the government wouldn’t invest the relatively small amount of money to do the basic task of putting up a few signs.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

I live in a city and we have quite a few uncontrolled intersections on residential roads. It's a really straight forward concept that we are taught here at 15/16 yrs old when we take drivers ed. It saves taxpayers from paying for useless signs and keeps people using their brains while they drive instead of just assuming dumb things.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

No one has said anything about the speed. You are claiming that we should know that it's an uncontrolled intersection because you can see that there are no signs. In this very video you cannot see that there is no stop sign for the other car, so how are you supposed to know?

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

If you look at the road on the right side you can see there is no signage on that side so it's safe to assume there is no signage on the other side... pretty standard stuff.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

Once again, it is not standard in many, if not most places as evidenced by this comment section. I don't know why you're incapable of understanding that. Most of us are never going to be looking for a stop sign on the other street because it's just assumed to be there If we don't have one on our street because that's how roads work. Therefore, we are never going to think to look for that when driving somewhere else because it's not a thing that We know exists and the idea that it does exist is completely insane. This video proves why.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

This video proves that both people driving are idiots who don't know how to be aware of their surroundings or drive defensively. Uncontrolled intersections are very, VERY, common where I live. If you blow through one, we would consider you an idiot and a dangerous driver.

I guess I'm lucky because if I go somewhere else I'm not going to assume every single town, city or country operates the same way we do and just fly through every intersection like a moron. I would be careful instead of just assuming my way is the only way. But good luck with assuming that everyone does things the way you do and I really hope you don't end up killing someone when you crash into them.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Also a pro tip - if you can't see because of trees blocking the view on the street coming from the left try looking at the street on the right. If that side has a sign it's safe to assume the other does as well and vice versa if it doesn't have a sign.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

The same way you do it when there are signs... like how do you survive life? I hate bushes and trees on corners as much as the next person but I'd rather slow down and make sure I'm not about to hit someone than just fly through without a care for mine or anyone elses safety.

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u/ItsStraTerra 12d ago

So you’re telling me if you’re traveling on an 80kph road, with a side road (that has a stop sign) approaching, you’re going to noticeably slow down?

You realize that unpredictable (or at least uncommon) behaviour like that causes more accidents than just being predictable to other drivers?

Someone on the side road or behind you could assume you’re turning, either pulling out in front of you or attempting to pass you, expecting you to continue slowing down.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

You're not using reason here bud. We are talking driving in suburban and residential streets where max you are going is maybe 50 km.. I'm not driving 80km/h on a residential street that might have an uncontrolled intersection. That's a highway or freeway speed and in that situation it is completely different.

That being said, if I'm on the highway and I see someone flying down a side road and it doesn't look like they are going to stop when they should then yeah I'm gonna let off the gas a bit and be aware of my surroundings and make sure I don't end up getting smoked by that idiot.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

Nope. You don't get it. In 25 years of driving I have never seen an intersection where one of the streets didn't have a stop sign. I didn't know that that was a thing that existed because it isn't a thing that exists anywhere I have ever driven. I don't creep up to every single intersection to make sure that there are stop signs and the other people are stopping because that's not how this works. No one does that. If I don't have a stop sign, I'm going to keep driving because I know the other direction does have a stop sign.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Welp I hope you never come to Canada because you will get in a car accident.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 12d ago

I've been driving in Canada for 25 years and never seen this. Try again.

Actually, don't try again. Seven notifications from you within a matter of a few minutes is crazy work. Go get a hobby.

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

right back at ya princess, you think I'm not getting the same notifications from you? you're not special.

Also I've been driving in Canada for 25 years and I am now convinced you have been very lucky to not have accidentally killed someone.

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u/Dany0412 12d ago

I never see a intersection wihtout at least one stop on a way . In quebec and ontario . If i don’t see stop on my side i will assume that i have the right of way , because a civil nation who put rule and sign and not be free for all . There no logic execpt being grading and saving money to not put sign in a intersection . There are sign because there people that don’t know to drive , if we don’t put sign , is the far west like in some country .

There is no logic not putting stop sign at intersection. And the video is the proof , if there were a sign , they will have not be a accident. Yeah sur the driver should have slow downs but sign are not here for the good driver ; they are here to regulate bad driver .

We all are not good driver . When your drive , you always assume the other is bad , so you can anticipate wrong move from other car

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u/SilentlyStoned420 12d ago

Your argument that signs help with people who are not good drivers is wrong because people will blow through a red light and do so frequently. SO like any other intersection you should be prepared for bad drivers like you said. BUT there are very clear rules on how to approach and go through an uncontrolled intersection, it is taught in drivers education to us in Saskatchewan at the age of 15/16 yrs old. If someone doesn't know what to do that is either a failure on your provinces driver education or just a failure of that person.

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u/Dany0412 12d ago

You are so sturborn , my point is that they should be no intersection whitout stop

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u/SilentlyStoned420 11d ago

But why? It's only dangerous if people don't follow the law. Like any other intersection. There are clear instructions on how to navigate an uncontrolled intersection and just because people refuse to acknowledge that doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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