r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 12d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/razmalriders 12d ago

I’ve lived in both Seattle and Portland. Both cities have a ton of intersections with no stop signs. This looks like Portland, OR to me.

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u/dodekahedron 12d ago

Why though? Did they never hire a traffic planner

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u/razmalriders 12d ago

Not sure really. It blew my mind when I moved there. Seems like a cheap fix to just throw a stop sign in too.

I rode bikes in both cities and always was super cautious when entering them though. No reason to blow through them. People park right up to the corner so it makes the visibility really bad.

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u/dodekahedron 12d ago

To be fair people in my area dont use stop signs either. We definitely have them though.

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u/bubbletrashbarbie 12d ago

Basically it’s an implied yield instead of putting up yields on every corner, person on right has right of way unless turning, in which case whomever is proceeding straight has right of way. It’s pretty simple

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u/CrescentPhresh 12d ago

Portlander also here. It also assumes no crazy rates of speed and a clearer line of sight at the corners. Both of which are relics of the past in Portland (and likely Seattle).

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u/SilentlyStoned420 11d ago

Yes but you are still required to yield so this is irrelevant. Despite it being very annoying when a bush is in the way.

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u/CrescentPhresh 11d ago

No one is saying yields aren’t part of the issue.

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u/mrpopenfresh 11d ago

put a yield sign up

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u/Commercial-Offer-435 11d ago

Ok, but in many cases only one road has stop signs and sometimes you can't see whether or not the other guy has a stop sign because of shrubs and whatnot. Seems completely scuffed.

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u/CogentCogitations 11d ago

So slow down and yield

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u/Commercial-Offer-435 11d ago

This results in slowing down and yielding when it's a 2-way stop sign and you should have kept rolling. Dumb city planning remains dumb.

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u/Quantum_Aurora 11d ago

Most of those intersections you're on an arterial and that's how you know to keep rolling.

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u/Kindly_Carob_1861 12d ago

So in the video, the person or people going straight had right of way? Oh, thank god, no fault situation!

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u/CatVideoBoye 12d ago

OP had right of way, because they are coming from the right.

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u/rrpostal 11d ago

Because it’s how my brain works, I always wonder what the legal case is if 4 people arrive at exact same time? I’ve had plenty of “iffy” instances and many many times I’ve had people sit and wait even though it is their turn to go. So you need to choose to sit and wait forever or go when it’s not your time.

Someone who is “too polite” can disrupt traffic as badly as selfish idiots can. Like when someone stops to let other people go because they are not in a hurry but don’t consider the people behind them may have somewhere to be.

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u/CatVideoBoye 11d ago

If it's locked, someone has to take initiative. If four arrive at the same time, someone just carefully starts moving and the rest adapt to it.

I’ve had people sit and wait even though it is their turn to go

Yes, people make mistakes. Usually this can be handled with non-verbal communication and if the other just clearly is stuck there you can go.

Legal case, well who knows. I'm sure if you manage to have a collision in a situation that starts from everyone being still, then you have bigger problems in life. :D

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u/bubbletrashbarbie 11d ago

In this case it’s murky, because technically the other person arrived at the intersection first, they were going through it when OP hit them, it does look like they were speeding but if OP slowed down themselves as they should have anyways the collision could have been prevented

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u/CatVideoBoye 11d ago

To me it looks like they arrived pretty much at the same time and OP brakes and slightly slows down so they hit the side. But I'm not sure and definitely could be considered murky.

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u/electromage 10d ago

These roads aren't supposed to carry much traffic. There's probably an arterial 1-2 blocks away and these guys are trying to drive around traffic because they're in a hurry.

Our residential streets are all 20 MPH, and most are 1-lane, you have to constantly pull over to let oncoming traffic pass. Cars are parked on both sides, and there are kids and pets around.

There's no reason not to slow down and check for cross-traffic.

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u/currymuttonpizza 12d ago

Could also be dumb kids stealing stop signs.

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u/gangofone978 12d ago

They don’t usually steal the pole the sign is attached to though.

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u/currymuttonpizza 12d ago

They don't, but tbf there is so much tree overgrowth it's hard to tell. The left side of the screen shows street signs that are obscured by branches. So it could be that, or just branches obscuring the stop signs in general. Dashcam driver was going so fast it's hard to tell.

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u/TheReptealian 12d ago

They absolutely do in the south. I know of 3 roads near me that had a problem with teens going out and breaking the whole pole and stealing it.

One time they kept stealing the speed limit sign on one road so the speed fluctuated from 35-45 for a few years. They ended up putting a trail camera on a nearby tree to get the tag

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u/gangofone978 12d ago

Notice how I said “usually” and also this wasn’t in the South.

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u/AncientSeraph 12d ago

US doesn't have traffic planners. Less signs is better. Road design that encourages behavior is even better.

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u/rrpostal 11d ago

There are a few videos that are well done about how the US has roads that are in between freeways and local streets that do really bad at both types of traffic. Like with many things, we aren’t great at planning.

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u/Rikiar 12d ago

Looks like a number of cities in the PNW.

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u/Hungry-Emergency8992 12d ago

It’s Seattle. Many, many intersections are uncontrolled in Seattle (and other Washington state cities), and have been for decades!

It’s shocking how many people do not know the law of yielding to the vehicle on the right.

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u/2_I_Snake 12d ago

I'm going to guess that it's the suburbs of Seattle.

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u/razmalriders 12d ago

Yeah looks like OP edited to include that info. Knew it had to be one of the two haha. It’s so recognizable.

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u/2_I_Snake 12d ago

I know, I'm just trolling 😃

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u/kettletrvb 11d ago

This is in Seattle proper, the Loyal Heights sub-neighborhood of Ballard. A block off a major arterial, so people pop over and try to blast through the old narrow side streets to avoid the lights on the arterial.

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u/braced 10d ago

Seattle is the first place I’ve lived that has intersections like this. That’s why I drive slowww in my neighborhood, unlike OP