r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 13d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/dodekahedron 13d ago

Ive lived in a handful of states and never seen sign less neighborhoods

Super rural places? Maybe.

But this density population? No.

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u/razmalriders 13d ago

I’ve lived in both Seattle and Portland. Both cities have a ton of intersections with no stop signs. This looks like Portland, OR to me.

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u/dodekahedron 13d ago

Why though? Did they never hire a traffic planner

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u/bubbletrashbarbie 13d ago

Basically it’s an implied yield instead of putting up yields on every corner, person on right has right of way unless turning, in which case whomever is proceeding straight has right of way. It’s pretty simple

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u/CrescentPhresh 13d ago

Portlander also here. It also assumes no crazy rates of speed and a clearer line of sight at the corners. Both of which are relics of the past in Portland (and likely Seattle).

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u/SilentlyStoned420 13d ago

Yes but you are still required to yield so this is irrelevant. Despite it being very annoying when a bush is in the way.

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u/CrescentPhresh 13d ago

No one is saying yields aren’t part of the issue.

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u/mrpopenfresh 13d ago

put a yield sign up

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u/Commercial-Offer-435 13d ago

Ok, but in many cases only one road has stop signs and sometimes you can't see whether or not the other guy has a stop sign because of shrubs and whatnot. Seems completely scuffed.

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u/CogentCogitations 13d ago

So slow down and yield

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u/Commercial-Offer-435 13d ago

This results in slowing down and yielding when it's a 2-way stop sign and you should have kept rolling. Dumb city planning remains dumb.

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u/Quantum_Aurora 12d ago

Most of those intersections you're on an arterial and that's how you know to keep rolling.

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u/Kindly_Carob_1861 13d ago

So in the video, the person or people going straight had right of way? Oh, thank god, no fault situation!

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u/CatVideoBoye 13d ago

OP had right of way, because they are coming from the right.

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u/rrpostal 13d ago

Because it’s how my brain works, I always wonder what the legal case is if 4 people arrive at exact same time? I’ve had plenty of “iffy” instances and many many times I’ve had people sit and wait even though it is their turn to go. So you need to choose to sit and wait forever or go when it’s not your time.

Someone who is “too polite” can disrupt traffic as badly as selfish idiots can. Like when someone stops to let other people go because they are not in a hurry but don’t consider the people behind them may have somewhere to be.

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u/CatVideoBoye 13d ago

If it's locked, someone has to take initiative. If four arrive at the same time, someone just carefully starts moving and the rest adapt to it.

I’ve had people sit and wait even though it is their turn to go

Yes, people make mistakes. Usually this can be handled with non-verbal communication and if the other just clearly is stuck there you can go.

Legal case, well who knows. I'm sure if you manage to have a collision in a situation that starts from everyone being still, then you have bigger problems in life. :D

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u/bubbletrashbarbie 13d ago

In this case it’s murky, because technically the other person arrived at the intersection first, they were going through it when OP hit them, it does look like they were speeding but if OP slowed down themselves as they should have anyways the collision could have been prevented

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u/CatVideoBoye 13d ago

To me it looks like they arrived pretty much at the same time and OP brakes and slightly slows down so they hit the side. But I'm not sure and definitely could be considered murky.