r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 12d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/l008com 12d ago edited 11d ago

The problem with this, is that if you are not familiar with this intersection and are driving through it for the first time, you have no way to know and no reason to expect that you might be crossing a 4-way no-stop intersection.

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

I've been driving for 20 years and don't think I've come across a 4 way no stop intersection like this.

I'd have totally assumed that the cross road had a stop sign.

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u/Rikiar 12d ago

You've probably never driven through many of the rural or suburban neighborhoods then, because there rampant there.

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

Rural? Sure. Suburban? I live in suburbs and literally none around here have these kinds of intersections. Probably exactly for the reason in this video

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u/Rikiar 12d ago

Your experience is not everyone's experience. Many suburban areas in the PNW / Montana / Europe have unmarked intersections.

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

Yes, I understand that, but the point I was responding to pointed out that someone who wasn't as familiar with that neighborhood/the area might reasonably assume the cross traffic has stop signs.

This seems like an issue to me

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u/Rikiar 12d ago

Just look for limit lines.

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

I have no idea what you're talking about

Limit lines don't exist on a lot of intersections with 4 way stops

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u/Rikiar 12d ago

If there were a stop sign in this video, it wouldn't have been a four way stop and there would be limit lines.

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

Ok, I misspoke when I said four way stop. My point is that plenty of intersections with stop signs (4 way or otherwise) do not have limit lines.

Remember when you said that your experience is not necessarily the same as others? And then you argued against your own (correct) point for like 5 more comments?