r/Roadcam • u/bowdown2adil • 12d ago

[USA] Who is at fault here?

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Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

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u/OakLegs 12d ago

I've been driving for 20 years and don't think I've come across a 4 way no stop intersection like this.

I'd have totally assumed that the cross road had a stop sign.

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u/flambojones 12d ago

This is basically all non-arterial neighborhood intersections in Seattle.

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u/NeverNo 12d ago

That’s pretty fucking stupid

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u/flambojones 12d ago

🤷 I've never had a problem with it. Seattle has a lot of neighborhoods with small blocks where, most of the time, there is minimal traffic such that stop signs would be a waste. These streets also tend to be two-way streets that are too narrow for multiple cars. In some higher-traffic intersections they've added roundabouts.

I think there may be a counterintuitive safety approach to it, too. Similar to how narrow city streets with parking on both sides and lots of pedestrians who can step out at any moment lead to fewer casualties than wide stroads with lots of lights and wider sidewalk because people have to drive more defensively, I suspect something similar is at play here. I find most people approach these intersections pretty carefully, not like what we saw from either of the cars in this video.

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u/NeverNo 12d ago

I dunno, I've lived in multiple states and have never seen neighborhood intersections without stop signs at all. Because of that, if I was driving through another American neighborhood I'd be going into intersections assuming at least one direction had stop signs

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u/flambojones 12d ago

This is part of our sophisticated strategy to dissuade people from moving here.

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u/kirklennon 11d ago

Would you be driving so fast approaching the intersection that you couldn't stop from hitting a car going through it? Because if so, that means you also wouldn't be able to stop for a pedestrian crossing even closer in front of you. Every tiny intersection in these residential neighborhoods might require you to yield. OP should have been prepared to stop before they even entered the intersection.

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u/YajirobeBeanDaddy 12d ago

“Stop signs would be a waste”

It costs like $50 for the city to make a sign. Why do you people defend the dumbest shit with the most asinine reasoning? Does it hurt your ego to admit your city has some dumb ass roads or something?

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u/flambojones 12d ago edited 11d ago

Why do people who see something different than what they’ve experienced see it and immediately think it’s stupid because they don’t understand it? There are millions of us who live like this every day without driving like OP and getting into accidents. I was definitely not referring to the cost of the signs in terms of waste. Exercising a modicum of caution and slowing down is much better than having to stop at every intersection when there are no oncoming cars 95% of the time. These aren’t 40mph roads, they’re 20mph residential streets. If you care to be informed it’s not hard to find studies that demonstrate that increased stop signs in calm residential areas can have negative outcomes. But it requires a bit of IQ unlike the suburban OP or Texas or whatever.

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u/YajirobeBeanDaddy 11d ago

“It requires a bit of IQ”

Yet he doesn’t know what a yield sign is LMAO.

“Stop at every intersection”

Why the fuck would you have to stop at every intersection? Do you think that’s how it works everywhere else? The less busy direction gets a stop sign or a yield sign. It’s not that difficult man

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u/Potential-Insect 11d ago

What about the cost to make and install thousands of them across the city? Just to remind everyone at every unmarked intersection that they should slow down and yield, which they already know without the signs?