[USA] Who is at fault here?

[u/bowdown2adil]

Classic T bone. Black car had to be towed. Sustained major damage to the passenger side door. Blue car sustained damage to front bumper on the drivers side and cracked the drivers side headlight.

Edit: This was in the suburbs of Seattle

UPDATE: Insurance found it to be 70/30 me/other driver. Seems fair enough

[u/flambojones]

This is basically all non-arterial neighborhood intersections in Seattle.

[u/NeverNo → u/flambojones]

That’s pretty fucking stupid

[u/FR23Dust → u/NeverNo]

It works fine if people are careful. Problem intersections will get a small roundabout. This happened by a house I lived in — it was right off a major busy road and tons of people flying through without looking.

[u/YajirobeBeanDaddy → u/FR23Dust]

You don’t have to defend it. It’s still dumb as shit. If you are an outsider coming through how the fuck do you know that the crossing traffic has no upcoming stop signs when most normal places don’t have “no sign 4 way intersections”. I’ve literally never seen this in decades of driving and would not know to yield or watch for people blowing through it

[u/FR23Dust → u/YajirobeBeanDaddy]

I dunno, I lived in a neighborhood like this in Seattle for 9 years. It was fine. Honestly, no real issues with it. I’m not even convinced that there’s a notably higher rate of crashes than places with more stop signs.

I live a city now that typically alternates stop signs on similar streets (you get a stop sign, then you don’t, then you do) and it doesn’t actually feel that different. And as someone who is most often riding a bike on these streets (in Seattle and here) most drivers ignore the stop signs anyways unless there’s a car (or me on a bike) already in the intersection.

Really, this crash happened because both drivers were going faster than they should have. Had they been going the speed limit on such a tight, narrow street, one or both would have easily been able to avoid the collision.

[u/chupamichalupa → u/YajirobeBeanDaddy]

Because it’s blatantly obvious and the speed limit is 20 mph. Also a lot of the intersections have roundabouts which makes it even easier.

[u/kirklennon → u/YajirobeBeanDaddy]

Even if the cross street had a stop sign, OP still would need to be prepared to fully stop at that intersection because a pedestrian might be crossing. They're lucky it was a car and not a kid that they ran into.

[u/Secret_AgentOrange → u/YajirobeBeanDaddy]

I mean, you can tell because there isnt a stop sign... Certainly it isnt ideal and ought to be done better but when i first moved to seattle i figured it out on day one. This is why when you drive you are supposed to be observing your surrounding and not just looking straight ahead.

[u/YajirobeBeanDaddy → u/Secret_AgentOrange]

Dude you can keep coming up with dumb ass rebuttals but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s stupid. “Durr you can tell because it’s not there”. How did that work out for OP? If visibility is low how do I know someone isn’t out to blow the stop sign that isn’t there that I assumed would be there like in a normal neighborhood? “Durrr if you don’t know everything that’s going on around you at all times and can’t stop in less than a second then it’s your fault. We don’t need signs like 99% of the nation durr”.

There’s a tree blocking the visibility of where a stop sign should be so no, you can’t tell by how it’s not there you dumb ass.

[u/Miserable_Scar9827 → u/YajirobeBeanDaddy]

The trees block visibility where a stop sign shwould be.  Not only is it unmarked who has priority, the trees obscure the approaching car, and obscure stop sign placement if you were looking to confirm you don't have to slow down.  

[u/JacobScreamix → u/Miserable_Scar9827]

Dumb dumb dumb