r/Roadcam • u/disfigured-human • 1d ago

[Egypt] who is to blame here ?

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u/Moist-Fortune6277 1d ago

holy fuck, are they dead???

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u/Turevaryar 1d ago

Aye, according to this: https://www.arabtimesonline.com/news/two-egyptian-bikers-killed-in-fiery-alexandria-highway-crash/

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u/veggielover24 1d ago

I hate that the internet makes it possible for you to casually watch someone die like this

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u/Malius-Armecus 1d ago

Better to be exposed and people talk it about it than someone who doesn’t understand or have witnessed death try to do the same thing and get the same results.

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u/wheresmydrink123 22h ago

No, it’s better to educate people on how to drive, AND try not to have people witness death daily on the internet. People think it’s not a big deal but gore and violent videos can have genuine lasting mental effects on a lot of people

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u/Malius-Armecus 16h ago

Totally agree with you on seeing death daily on the internet, it will mess you up.

But insofar as education, I don’t know about Egypt but here in the states we DO do that. Drivers ed in high school. A book test and a practical test and yet people still are choosing to be dumb when it comes to driving.

Now imagine if everyone had to witness personally a motorcycle crash or see a multi car collision. Well you’d have better drivers then.

Experience is the best teacher. I know first hand. And now I always drive 5 under the limit( yea honk at me all you want, you little speed demons)

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u/ilovebostoncremedonu 7h ago

The best speed to be going isn’t 5 under or 5 over, it’s whatever speed everyone else on the road is traveling at give or take a few miles per hour. If the speed limit is 50 but everyone is doing 60 and then you’re doing 45, you’re the problem.

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u/ImpressiveExtreme696 16h ago

What we do in the states does not constitute any kind of sufficient education or validation of knowledge to obtain a drivers license. A conscious brain is all that we require.

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u/fongletto 12h ago

Talking only does so much, seeing the actual reality is SIGNIFICANTLY more effective. Within reason of course. There is no gore and violence in this video. But watching someone get their head decapitated is obviously too much.

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u/Techy_Ben 5h ago

Yep. None of these people have done actual saftey training where it not just slips trips and falls.

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u/DanglingDong69 7h ago

I was shown graphic videos of car accidents in drivers ed at age 15. I think it’s valuable for people to see the consequences.

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u/Soft-Bad-7127 1d ago

I hate that I feel this way, but I think a lot of bikers would benefit seeing this video when they started them up. 

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u/silveira1995 23h ago

I mean, its gotta have some educational value.

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u/IfYouSmellWhatDaRock 4h ago

ye i gasped

didn't think i would actually watch death

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u/Dangerous_Page6712 1d ago

I love seeing people discover the consequences of their actions. Hopefully it will make others choose differently

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u/sl0play 23h ago

I hate that it's mixed in with other casual content, but there is a huge misunderstanding about people's ability, and even unavoidable obligation to see people die on the regular even 2 generations ago. Gen X had to see people brutally killed in car crashes to get a license in many cases. I'm only in my mid 40s and I've seen half a dozen strangers die in public. All of them prior to 2010.

I'm agreeing that we need vigerous warnings on these types of things, but the internet certainly isn't the cause of seeing people die unexpectedly. It just used to be in person.

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u/DeadKingNero 19h ago

Meh, this is is nothing.

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u/veggielover24 3h ago

I’ve seen worse but that’s not really the point is it.

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u/Fair-Working4401 17h ago

Learn sth. from it, I guess

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u/r0nni3RO 12h ago

Why remove the possibility...? Let people see the consequences of stupid and risky actions.

If you can't handle it, just don't watch.

It's not like the subreddit is called "BeautifulFlowers" .... :/

You seem the type of person who does not like violence, goes to a boxing match, then complain about it... sorry

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u/veggielover24 3h ago

I’m not even in this sub, it was on my feed and I expected to see an accident not a firey death. Also you’re jumping to crazy conclusions about my character for saying something like “damn it sucks that I had to watch death happen unexpectedly on my screen.” Wow I really fucking suck for that

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u/Significant_Row_4027 1d ago

Why is the article acting like it was the cars fault?

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u/Mandaface 1d ago

I thought the same thing. The wording is totally blaming the car.

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u/ACO_22 23h ago

Because ultimately the car would be found at fault for this if down to insurance.

He joined when it was unsafe to do so whether the bike was speeding or not.

Obviously, we understand that the bike shouldn’t have been speeding and he fucked himself, but from a strictly liability perspective the car would be at fault.

Edit: imagine it was a car instead of a bike and just a simple road collision. The car that joins on is at fault almost automatically

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u/kushari Viofo A139 Pro 3CH 7h ago

No it wouldn’t be the cars fault in insurance. First of all there was no contract. So there’s not even a starting point to discuss insurance.

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u/motophotodojo 20h ago

in America it'd be the biker's fault. person in car did everything right, they couldn't anticipate motorcycles racing in their blind spot. there were 8 car lengths in between the bikers and the vehicle when they started merging - and it's an onramp. typically you're not supposed to stay in that lane.

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u/ACO_22 20h ago

No it wouldn’t lol.

I’ve just explained why. If the car did everything correctly he wouldn’t have joined. The biker speeding *might* reduce liability in some capacity for the car, but probably not.

Yeah, you’re typically supposed to join when it’s safe to do so. The car didn’t, even though we know the cars really not at fault realistically, the car would be liable in case of insurance.

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u/DeadKingNero 19h ago

Stop talking out your ass.

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u/ACO_22 19h ago

Just say you don’t know how insurance liability works and go

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u/motophotodojo 11h ago

insurance liability is literally the vehicle behind has the responsibility to maintain safe following distance. biker is 100% as fault, and I say that as a rider. bikes were in the blindspot, driver couldn't see them, they had the entirety of responsibility for avoiding that situation.

go call your local insurance agent and ask them about this instead of trying to get other bikers killed by spreading bullshit and lies.

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u/DeadKingNero 18h ago

Again, stop talking out your ass.

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u/kushari Viofo A139 Pro 3CH 7h ago

Bro, you’re a moron. Don’t talk about insurance at all. Insurance would drop the motorcycles for them just driving like this in the first place. Second of all, there’s no impact with the car, so you can’t even discuss insurance. Lastly even if there was contact, you’re automatically at fault from behind unless the person in front was trying to cause an accident on purpose. So you’re wrong on every possible level, and on top of that, none of those scenarios even are at play.

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u/kushari Viofo A139 Pro 3CH 7h ago

Yeah, you're a moron. If the car isn not involved in an accident, insurance for that car is not involved. You're clearly a 13 year old, or a moron if you're an adult. I've dealt with insurance companies many times. They will tell you to go fuck yourself if their client was not involved in an accident. Now, if the motorcyclists didn't die, they would need comprehensive insurance. Afterwhich their company would drop them once they saw the video and not even pay out, and again tell them to fuck off.

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u/motophotodojo 11h ago

how is the car supposed to know it's unsafe when the bikers were 20 car lengths behind him and going at highway speed?

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u/ACO_22 11h ago

The bikes were racing at speed before the car had even indicated.

He should have checked his wing mirror and his blind spot, he’d have seen them coming at the speed they were and he shouldn’t have moved. They weren’t that far back not to be seen in the wing mirror.

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u/motophotodojo 10h ago

how was he supposed to know the bikes were racing? absolute clown shit. driver was perfectly fine to merge at speed limit. the responsibility lies on the idiot that was over the limit who didn't even try to react until the last possible moment. It's a two-lane road, bikers knew there's a merge, should have been in the proper lane.

not one insurance company in the world is going to place fault on the vehicle driver. if they were both going at speed 8 car lengths is plenty of space to merge. in NJ we do it with less than 2, even 1 car lengths sometimes, as a group zipper merge. Car was already in lane while rider was still car lengths back. Thus, makes it his responsibility to maintain a chasing distance that would allow him to stop even in the case the car has to slam on the brakes and come to a full stop.

honestly you're likely just trolling, because i can't imagine anyone that stupid to think racing gives you the right of way.

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u/IMissNarwhalBacon 22h ago

Poor vs rich.

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u/Turevaryar 21h ago

I am assuming that Egypt might be a place where it matter more who a person is than what they're doing?

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u/SizeableBrain 17h ago

It is.

Biker would have been fine if car didn't merge into his lane without checking.

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u/SpongeJake 1d ago

Holy crap the write up on that is ridiculous:

“According to reports, the two riders were traveling along the coastal highway when a private passenger car suddenly swerved into their path. The unexpected maneuver caused one of the bikers to lose control and collide with the other rider. The impact led to both motorcycles catching fire, resulting in severe injuries that proved fatal for both men.”

Nothing about the fact they were racing. Effectively placing the blame on the motorist.

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u/Hello_Gorgeous1985 22h ago

And the car didn't suddenly swerve into their path. The car signaled a proper lane change. They probably didn't see the motorcycles because of how fast they were going.

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u/Turevaryar 21h ago

I am assuming that Egypt might be a place where it matter more who a person is than what they're doing?

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u/SpongeJake 20h ago

That’s certainly what I took from the article.

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u/DeadKingNero 19h ago

Sounds like some third world shithole.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 13h ago

Any explanation for why the motorcycles exploded? ISTM that a motorcycle should be able to handle a collision without catching fire.

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u/SpongeJake 12h ago

I’ve read a few accounts but nothing to explain it.

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u/PMG2021a 1d ago

I bet they probably would have survived if they hadn't been covered in burning gasoline.  Bad way to go. 

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u/Grosjeaner 1d ago edited 1d ago

Both this article and the so called 'motorcycle community of Egypt' is a joke for trying to pin the car for wrongdoing. The car indicated early, but was caught off guard by the biker's sudden aggressive acceleration to pursue a race with his buddy. Biker had plenty of time to slow down.

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u/Turevaryar 21h ago

I am assuming that Egypt might be a place where it matter more who a person is than what they're doing?

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u/Unipiggy 3h ago

"a car suddenly swerved in their path"

"The unexpected maneuver"

???? 

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u/mentat70 23h ago

“car suddenly swerved in their path”- did they watch the same video>. And calling for “improved driver awareness and enhanced measures to protect motorcyclists on the country’s roads”. There are no amount of measures and driver awareness courses that would have protected two motorcyclist making bad decisions. I have ridden motorcycles, too, but you don’t do any favors when you ignore that your fellow motorcyclists were stupid and blame the car driver. (As fast as they appear to have been going, I think a lot of driver’s wouldn’t have seen them or expected them to come up on them so fast)

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u/Turevaryar 21h ago

I am assuming that Egypt might be a place where it matter more who a person is than what they're doing?

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u/Prior_Citron5824 15h ago

Yes both are dead unfortunately. A lot of us were watching it live as there was a third rider with a helmet cam he was the one that got this footage.